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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 7:51:08 GMT
Just as a point of order because we have a similar problem here... A budget deficit isn't actually a bad thing, I've been talked to by economists and financiers about this. A surplus would be worse because it means that the government has money that it isn't spending on the population, just hoarding for itself.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 24, 2017 7:58:37 GMT
Just as a point of order because we have a similar problem here... A budget deficit isn't actually a bad thing, I've been talked to by economists and financiers about this. A surplus would be worse because it means that the government has money that it isn't spending on the population, just hoarding for itself. very good point. I could live with 10 billion even 50 billion but my magic number would be less than a billion. Cause there's always things to spend money on, like Trump sending help to Georgia due to the tornado's. And I would love to see more police officers, and better pay for teachers, and I aint even got to beefing up the armed forces. Just as a side note, does anyone like this idea, I don't want to break up Mexican families, so here's how a family could earn American citizenship if anyone in the immediate family is here illegally, give us at least 4 years, as a member of the US armed forces. It beefs up the armed forces and makes citizenship available to millions of illegal immigrants. Just a thought, and id love feedback on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 8:19:53 GMT
Just as a side note, does anyone like this idea, I don't want to break up Mexican families, so here's how a family could earn American citizenship if anyone in the immediate family is here illegally, give us at least 4 years, as a member of the US armed forces. It beefs up the armed forces and makes citizenship available to millions of illegal immigrants. Just a thought, and id love feedback on it. An old idea and not necessarily a bad one. I know for a fact that for things like national service you have two options -- you can work as part of the traditional military or as a noncombatant in another capacity. Consequently, you wouldn't be sending these people into live fire zones unless they wished to, they could do their four years without running the risk of having to kill anyone. The question at that point is of course, why not apply the same principle of acquired citizenship through service to the community in a nonmilitant capacity?
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 24, 2017 8:41:47 GMT
Just as a side note, does anyone like this idea, I don't want to break up Mexican families, so here's how a family could earn American citizenship if anyone in the immediate family is here illegally, give us at least 4 years, as a member of the US armed forces. It beefs up the armed forces and makes citizenship available to millions of illegal immigrants. Just a thought, and id love feedback on it. An old idea and not necessarily a bad one. I know for a fact that for things like national service you have two options -- you can work as part of the traditional military or as a noncombatant in another capacity. Consequently, you wouldn't be sending these people into live fire zones unless they wished to, they could do their four years without running the risk of having to kill anyone. The question at that point is of course, why not apply the same principle of acquired citizenship through service to the community in a nonmilitant capacity? well, most of the old school, like me, think that military service is about the highest form of serving your country. It shows your devotion to the country, and could help to educate many of those that are non English speaking. One thing I hate, is seeing Mexicans who cant read English with a driver's license. The sign will say left lane closed, and they wont get it unless there is a merge picture, I see it all the time. How can you read 'slow' children playing if you cant read English? But I digress. How would you propose we use service to the community? Remember keeping track of soldiers is easy, proving where a soldier is, is easy, but paperwork for non military personal in the government seems to be a hit or miss prospect, if you know what I mean.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 9:42:41 GMT
An old idea and not necessarily a bad one. I know for a fact that for things like national service you have two options -- you can work as part of the traditional military or as a noncombatant in another capacity. Consequently, you wouldn't be sending these people into live fire zones unless they wished to, they could do their four years without running the risk of having to kill anyone. The question at that point is of course, why not apply the same principle of acquired citizenship through service to the community in a nonmilitant capacity? well, most of the old school, like me, think that military service is about the highest form of serving your country. It shows your devotion to the country, and could help to educate many of those that are non English speaking. One thing I hate, is seeing Mexicans who cant read English with a driver's license. The sign will say left lane closed, and they wont get it unless there is a merge picture, I see it all the time. How can you read 'slow' children playing if you cant read English? But I digress. How would you propose we use service to the community? Remember keeping track of soldiers is easy, proving where a soldier is, is easy, but paperwork for non military personal in the government seems to be a hit or miss prospect, if you know what I mean. Yes, I've noticed that's a big part of United States culture. Hmm... Well, the answer would be to use the systems you already have in place, but I think the trick here would be to make the community service option appealing and easy enough that being an illegal alien is more trouble than it's worth. Provide a variety of literacy texts accessible to the Spanish-speaking population at public libraries to learn their English translation. Books, audiobooks, online tutoring, anything that will make the process easier. In terms of tracking them, electronically log the people that are receiving payments as part of that occupation that is working towards their citizenship, so that you should have at least a name and an address (plus a tax file number). You can keep track of their progress using examinations on the same system to determine their linguistic level as part of those ongoing citizenship tests.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 11:56:38 GMT
Just as a point of order because we have a similar problem here... A budget deficit isn't actually a bad thing, I've been talked to by economists and financiers about this. A surplus would be worse because it means that the government has money that it isn't spending on the population, just hoarding for itself. It is if you run it year in year out. What amazes me is how many people don't realise the deficit isn't the size of the debt, it's the speed the debt is increasing. If you're massively in debt (which the US and UK both are), you need to run a surplus - for individuals it's called paying the mortgage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 13:17:50 GMT
Just as a point of order because we have a similar problem here... A budget deficit isn't actually a bad thing, I've been talked to by economists and financiers about this. A surplus would be worse because it means that the government has money that it isn't spending on the population, just hoarding for itself. It is if you run it year in year out. What amazes me is how many people don't realise the deficit isn't the size of the debt, it's the speed the debt is increasing. If you're massively in debt (which the US and UK both are), you need to run a surplus - for individuals it's called paying the mortgage. Well, it depends on whether we're talking about a structural deficit or a cyclical one. Economics is not my forte, but I'm reliably informed that a cyclical surplus can still mask a structural deficit, we had something very similar happen here waaay back during the financial crisis or thereabouts. Of course, the first thing I was hit with when I searched up "deficit spending" was the word "controversy", so it looks like I'm not the only one who feels uncertain about this. I'm not sure if that's comforting or not.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 24, 2017 14:42:54 GMT
An old idea and not necessarily a bad one. I know for a fact that for things like national service you have two options -- you can work as part of the traditional military or as a noncombatant in another capacity. Consequently, you wouldn't be sending these people into live fire zones unless they wished to, they could do their four years without running the risk of having to kill anyone. The question at that point is of course, why not apply the same principle of acquired citizenship through service to the community in a nonmilitant capacity? One thing I hate, is seeing Mexicans who cant read English with a driver's license. The sign will say left lane closed, and they wont get it unless there is a merge picture, I see it all the time. How can you read 'slow' children playing if you cant read English? But I digress. Many of them need to drive in order to work and earn money. A better solution would probably be for road signs in areas with a lot of immigrants to be in English and Spanish.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 17:28:01 GMT
One thing I hate, is seeing Mexicans who cant read English with a driver's license. The sign will say left lane closed, and they wont get it unless there is a merge picture, I see it all the time. How can you read 'slow' children playing if you cant read English? But I digress. Many of them need to drive in order to work and earn money. A better solution would probably be for road signs in areas with a lot of immigrants to be in English and Spanish. Or a requirement that immigrants can speak the local language enough to drive. How hard is "merge left" to learn?
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 24, 2017 17:41:49 GMT
One thing I hate, is seeing Mexicans who cant read English with a driver's license. The sign will say left lane closed, and they wont get it unless there is a merge picture, I see it all the time. How can you read 'slow' children playing if you cant read English? But I digress. Many of them need to drive in order to work and earn money. A better solution would probably be for road signs in areas with a lot of immigrants to be in English and Spanish. Yeah, they need to work, and they need to learn English, period. Why should I have to spend money to put up all new signs in English and Spanish? Do you realize how many signs we are talking about? And what about street signs? It's not my job to change to accommodate them, it's their job to get educated. Just as its not my fault if someone quit school and never learned how to read. I'm sorry for them, and they may have had a good reason, but they still shouldn't be able to get a drivers license. Learning the signs of the road wouldn't take the average person more than 1 day, stop, merge, stay right, stay left, children playing, men working, slow work zone, speed limit, hill slow moving vehicles, there are all kinds of road signs, and replacing them is not an option to me, because it just wastes to much money
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 24, 2017 17:52:48 GMT
I figured out Obama's legacy, he will be remembered as a failed president who sent 221 million dollars to the Palastinians in his last minutes. And let out a ton of criminals in his last days(mostly drug related, but not all). Other than that, I'm not sure he accomplished anything. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/us-sent-221-million-to-palestinians-in-obamas-last-hours/2017/01/23/a8e2caee-e1af-11e6-a419-eefe8eff0835_story.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Barack_ObamaWhen the 24th doctor goes back to 2009 in the USA, he will tell his companion, well Barak Obama was the first African American president of the United States, um, um, um, well, that was about it. The companion will answer, "what was the United States, and what's an African American?" YES THATS A JOKE, think about it, 200 years in the future, the term African American will be as obsolete as VCR, rotary phone and well house.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 24, 2017 18:24:54 GMT
Facts are facts. That one can't or won't accept them isn't really important to any discussion. By every single metric we use to track employment, we know that unemployment was cut in half under President Obama. It's not a discussion. We can argue over the quality of the jobs. We can argue could more have been done but what can't be argued is the 4.6% unemployment rate he left office with. That is the baseline that any discussion begins with. Again, one can argue over the specifics of the policies and the accomplishments, what can't be argued are the accomplishments and policies that happened on Obama's watch. People are entitled to their own opinion. People are not entitled to their own facts.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 24, 2017 19:05:03 GMT
Facts are facts. That one can't or won't accept them isn't really important to any discussion. By every single metric we use to track employment, we know that unemployment was cut in half under President Obama. It's not a discussion. We can argue over the quality of the jobs. We can argue could more have been done but what can't be argued is the 4.6% unemployment rate he left office with. That is the baseline that any discussion begins with. Again, one can argue over the specifics of the policies and the accomplishments, what can't be argued are the accomplishments and policies that happened on Obama's watch. People are entitled to their own opinion. People are not entitled to their own facts. Then find out the facts, www.cnbc.com/2015/05/20/40-percent-of-unemployed-have-quit-looking-for-jobs.htmlThe facts are that the unemployment numbers do NOT include people who no longer have unemployment benefits available to them, THAT'S A FACT! Spin it anyway you like, but this link will say what I have above, people who have quit looking for work, and those who are no longer eligible for unemployment are not counted in the stats. A very small percentage is used, and look how well that worked out for Hillary. The numbers just don't add up, that's a fact. Not an opinion. www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htmBy the way, the unpaid family workers counting as employed is a joke. This makes my wife employed because she babysits our grand daughter and makes nothing but memories(best payment around). To count as unemployed you must have looked for a job in the past 4 weeks, who besides the employment administration keeps those figures, and only when you call in to report do you indicate that you have been searching for work, so after you have no benefits, you no longer report. When 2500 people show up for 150 jobs, you can pretty much deduce the unemployment rate is a joke.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 24, 2017 19:07:30 GMT
Many of them need to drive in order to work and earn money. A better solution would probably be for road signs in areas with a lot of immigrants to be in English and Spanish. Yeah, they need to work, and they need to learn English, period. Why should I have to spend money to put up all new signs in English and Spanish? Do you realize how many signs we are talking about? And what about street signs? It's not my job to change to accommodate them, it's their job to get educated. Just as its not my fault if someone quit school and never learned how to read. I'm sorry for them, and they may have had a good reason, but they still shouldn't be able to get a drivers license. Learning the signs of the road wouldn't take the average person more than 1 day, stop, merge, stay right, stay left, children playing, men working, slow work zone, speed limit, hill slow moving vehicles, there are all kinds of road signs, and replacing them is not an option to me, because it just wastes to much money It isn't as if English is our national language. You shouldn't have to read it to drive. Signs should have symbols or alternative languages to help foreign language speakers. If they have a license, that means that they did pass a test, and presumably showed that they were able to obey the signs even if they can't read English.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 24, 2017 19:23:02 GMT
Nathan you are a lot smarter than me, I have no problem with that. But please check out this site if you haven't already. www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_303.htmIt lists the labor force participation rate, and the numbers say that folks are having to work to a much older age now a days than back in the 90's, and that there are fewer jobs for teenagers due to the fact that employers would rather hire young adults, or even middle aged or older folks to do the same job that teens used to be so predominate in. So the teen workforce has dropped, and the increase in folks over 70 still having to work has almost doubled. Now population has grown, this explains some of it, and the number of jobs have not grown with the population. Especially good paying jobs, but every number is down a decent percent until you get to 55 years old, then the numbers go the other way. so people are working to a much higher age. Now the numbers include white, black and Asian men and women and I find it fascinating that only other race women have grown in numbers, while every other category has gone down. I would think that means mostly Hispanic women, and I find that fascinating because we have a very good Mexican restaurant here in town, and it's staffed by mostly Hispanic women. So the workforce is changing, just as always.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 24, 2017 19:29:16 GMT
I don't think I'm a lot smarter than anyone. I'm just curious, so I do my research and let the facts shape how I view things.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 24, 2017 19:32:08 GMT
Yeah, they need to work, and they need to learn English, period. Why should I have to spend money to put up all new signs in English and Spanish? Do you realize how many signs we are talking about? And what about street signs? It's not my job to change to accommodate them, it's their job to get educated. Just as its not my fault if someone quit school and never learned how to read. I'm sorry for them, and they may have had a good reason, but they still shouldn't be able to get a drivers license. Learning the signs of the road wouldn't take the average person more than 1 day, stop, merge, stay right, stay left, children playing, men working, slow work zone, speed limit, hill slow moving vehicles, there are all kinds of road signs, and replacing them is not an option to me, because it just wastes to much money It isn't as if English is our national language. You shouldn't have to read it to drive. Signs should have symbols or alternative languages to help foreign language speakers. If they have a license, that means that they did pass a test, and presumably showed that they were able to obey the signs even if they can't read English. I'm not sure if you're American or not, but it doesn't really matter, what matters is, no one is really taught to drive anymore. I was coming from the north on a green light, making a right hand turn, a woman pulled in front of me, she was turn left, we both pulled into the same parking lot and she told me she had the right of way, and she was as American and southern as I am. She believed she had the right to turn left at a green light. No one ever taught her different, how she has survived till now I have no idea. Since they took driver's education out of most schools, the roads have gotten crazy. Distracted driving is over 50 percent, I know this, because I see it all night long, most folks text or have their phones sitting on their laps as they drive past me, or they are on their phones. They have no idea what is happening more than a few feet in front of their vehicle. This is a topic that affects me directly, I drive for a living, and I'm the safest driver on the planet, IMO, but I can back it up, no accidents, no tickets, and I'm pushing 50. Had one drive by me in the rain last night, I was doin under the speed limit at 67, and they had to be doin 100, in a downpour, with no tail lights. It's crazy out there, and ill tell you, there is nothing on a drivers test that says you have to be able to read English. It's a government agency, so its messed up, like all the others, absolutely no common sense.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 24, 2017 19:42:25 GMT
I don't think I'm a lot smarter than anyone. I'm just curious, so I do my research and let the facts shape how I view things. A person cant argue with facts. We just cant assume that what someone puts out there is a fact. It's a fact that a hummingbird can fly. It's also a fact that science says it's impossible for a hummingbird to fly. 2 facts, that contradict. If I thought for a minute that the real numbers for the unemployed in America was the numbers listed, I would want Obama to run for the post again in 4 years. It's very hard to find out the real numbers for the unemployed in the workforce, and the numbers who should be in the workforce. If the numbers say that 1 out of 5 people in their prime, are not in the workforce pool, then id sure like to know, what are they doing? I have to assume, and I hate assuming. I have to assume that 1 out of 5 people are either, disabled, working illegally, in prison, making money illegally, taking care of a family member, a stay at home parent, or a lot of other reasons. I hate assuming.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 24, 2017 20:02:33 GMT
I'm sorry you are unable to accept the reality of the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That really isn't my problem. Obama came into office with unemployment at right around 10%. He left office with unemployment at 4.6% Anything else in there you want to discus within the scope of those numbers, I'm fine with but if you want to dispute the basic facts, then you may have that discussion with someone else willing to play that game. I'm done trying to talk rationally with anyone who choses to use alternative facts as the basis for their opinion.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 24, 2017 20:03:17 GMT
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