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Post by nitronine on Sept 15, 2017 16:01:20 GMT
While I would have preferred something more similar to the 3rd Doctor adventures for this, I understand that that wouldn't have been possible for this set of companions as 3/4 of the main cast would have required recasting, and I think that having the whole of the AISAT cast would be more popular with new fans than having Carole Ann Ford play Susan along with David Bradley, Jemma Powell, and Jamie Glover. As long as Carole Ann Ford continues (if she still wants to) to be in the Short Trips and Companion Chronicles then I'll be fine with this and will probably get it, and I wouldn't be against a box set with Carole Ann Ford and David Bradley set before An Unearthly Child.
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Post by denyer97 on Sept 15, 2017 16:03:22 GMT
Love the Early Adventures and Third Doctor Adventures so will be picking this up. It wasn't the announcement I was expecting though. I don't particularly have a problem with the recast, after all Big Finish's main goal always seems to be to recreate eras as faithfully as they can and I'm sure this won't be any different. I'm quite a fan of Elliot Chapman's portrayal of Ben Jackson so a part of me hopes he continues to voice the character in both the Early Adventures and this range should it introduce the character but so far so good with this announcement.
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Post by aztec on Sept 15, 2017 16:04:01 GMT
Just wondering what this means for The Early Adventures (Series 5 was set to be 1st Doctor stories right?) and The Companion Chronicles are they going to be curtailed, continued or shift entirely to the Second Doctor?, I haven't heard any of the former but I've listened to some of the latter and really enjoy the format/variation of stories, with the focus on companions and 1st person narration the format allows for things full cast can't do.
Would BF want a younger and older actress voicing Susan at the same time?
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Post by eldersensorite on Sept 15, 2017 16:06:21 GMT
I'll probably get this, because Hartnell is one of my favourite Doctors, I expect nothing but amazing stories from the writers, and I'm interested by the new Master but... I'm not at all comfortable with the recast, which is odd because (although I haven't listened to any yet) from trailers of the Third Doctor Adventures I am 100% on board with Tim Treloar as the Doctor. I guess it's because the entire cast has been recast and it's kinda a sad realisation that eventually all audios will be like this, with every role being recast.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 15, 2017 16:15:28 GMT
Fantastic news!
I might have been wrong with my Marvel's Agents of SHIELD prediction, but I'd been hoping for a while we'd be getting some David Bradley First Doctor audios. I just wish it was Carole Anne Ford and William Russell as Susan and Ian, and not Claudia Grant and Jamie Glover.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 16:32:28 GMT
Not all ideas are good ideas.
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Post by ollychops on Sept 15, 2017 17:12:36 GMT
Now that the news has settled in now, I'm still not completely sold on the idea, but I'm not completely dismissing it either. I'm wary about the total recast, but I'm going to wait and see what BF do with it, because being BF it'll probably be great, but right now I'm taking the wait-and-see approach.
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Post by redsharkJason on Sept 15, 2017 17:25:35 GMT
I'm completely on board with these box sets recasting the roles of original actors from the First Doctor's era that faithfully match the cast of the televised An Adventure in Space and Time. To nowadays expect William Russell to be in a forthcoming 8-story Volume 1 & 2 Big Finish production is as much of an improbability as expecting William Hartnell to rise from the grave. And, why would you want to throw Carole Ann Ford (as Susan) into a DW new series complete recast? It seems that would be a token gesture to me. We don't yet know the final casting for these Volume 1 & 2 box sets. William Russell and Carole Ann Ford could still be cameo participants. Being particularly a fan of the First Doctor era, these continued stories are a must have for me. I'll be purchasing its CD bundle no later than this December.
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Post by shallacatop on Sept 15, 2017 17:32:09 GMT
Would have preferred it to have been David Bradley with Carole Ann Ford and William Russell (and Jemma Powell), but this makes sense. Not quite sure if I'll buy it, but a lovely coup for Big Finish nonetheless.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Sept 15, 2017 17:36:24 GMT
I'm completely on board with these box sets recasting the roles of original actors from the First Doctor's era that faithfully match the cast of the televised An Adventure in Space and Time. To nowadays expect William Russell to be in a forthcoming 8-story Volume 1 & 2 Big Finish production is as much of an improbability as expecting William Hartnell to rise from the grave. And, why would you want to throw Carole Ann Ford (as Susan) into a DW new series complete recast? It seems that would be a token gesture to me. We don't yet know the final casting for these Volume 1 & 2 box sets. William Russell and Carole Ann Ford could still be cameo participants. Being particularly a fan of the First Doctor era, these continued stories are a must have for me. I'll be purchasing its CD bundle no later than this December. Its actually 4 stories, not 8, but your point still stands. Personally I think my issue with this is that the new cast are being portrayed on the covers. People have accepted Tim Treloar so openly because they see Pertwee on the covers and here a very accurate representation of him in the stories. With this, we're seeing completely different people to who we're used to on the cover and we don't know how much some of them will actually sound like the characters they're playing. Not that it's going to be a bad thing, but it's something that will take a lot of getting used to. I really hope that if they continue the Early Adventures with the First Doctor next year, they will do a story or two with David Bradley, Anneke Wills and Elliot Chapman.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 17:51:16 GMT
I'm completely on board with these box sets recasting the roles of original actors from the First Doctor's era that faithfully match the cast of the televised An Adventure in Space and Time. To nowadays expect William Russell to be in a forthcoming 8-story Volume 1 & 2 Big Finish production is as much of an improbability as expecting William Hartnell to rise from the grave. And, why would you want to throw Carole Ann Ford (as Susan) into a DW new series complete recast? It seems that would be a token gesture to me. We don't yet know the final casting for these Volume 1 & 2 box sets. William Russell and Carole Ann Ford could still be cameo participants. Being particularly a fan of the First Doctor era, these continued stories are a must have for me. I'll be purchasing its CD bundle no later than this December. Its actually 4 stories, not 8, but your point still stands. Personally I think my issue with this is that the new cast are being portrayed on the covers. People have accepted Tim Treloar so openly because they see Pertwee on the covers and here a very accurate representation of him in the stories. With this, we're seeing completely different people to who we're used to on the cover and we don't know how much some of them will actually sound like the characters they're playing. Not that it's going to be a bad thing, but it's something that will take a lot of getting used to. I really hope that if they continue the Early Adventures with the First Doctor next year, they will do a story or two with David Bradley, Anneke Wills and Elliot Chapman. While I don't entirely disagree, Braldey and co are the original line-up to a lot of newer viewers, and certainly the current 'official' line-up. That extends no disrespect to Hartnell, Hill, For and Russell, who will always be the 'original' originals. The actress playing Barbara looks very much like Jacqueline Hill, but sounds nothing like her, in my view. You're right - that will take some getting used to. Consider the alternative - featuring the originals on the cover would be false advertising in a way, especially as these are complete, not partial, recasts. Also, it would be pretty disrespectful to Bradley and his co-stars. This recast will be difficult for some. To be honest, I wasn't entirely sold on the idea immediately (Hartnell is far and away my favourite Doctor), but having gone ahead with these - which I'm glad about - BF have, I think taken the only option (regarding the cover) available to them. As pedantic final point, Jon Pertwee's face has only featured on the third of the Tim Treloar's box sets.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Sept 15, 2017 18:13:36 GMT
Consider the alternative - featuring the originals on the cover would be false advertising in a way, especially as these are complete, not partial, recasts. Also, it would be pretty disrespectful to Bradley and his co-stars. This recast will be difficult for some. To be honest, I wasn't entirely sold on the idea immediately (Hartnell is far and away my favourite Doctor), but having gone ahead with these - which I'm glad about - BF have, I think taken the only option (regarding the cover) available to them. As pedantic final point, Jon Pertwee's face has only featured on the third of the Tim Treloar's box sets. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way arguing against the set or the new cast, I completely support them and I think it'll be great, I just personally think it'll take some getting used to with the covers for me personally. I also completely agree with what you said about the covers, which is why I'm not taking issue with it as it makes perfect sense that the new cast is on the front but at the same time it's a bit alienating. I disagree about them being most people's original team though. They did not play the characters and so far only David Bradley and Jemma Powell have actually played the characters themselves. I don't think just because they played the actors in a docudrama that they immediately have the right over the originals to be the team just because newer fans recognise them better. However that said, if William Russell is stepping down it makes complete sense to move forward in this fashion. Big Finish will give Carole Ann Ford plenty of opportunities to play Susan and she hasn't lost out, this is just something extra. When it comes down to it, we've got no one better to play One and Barbara really. I have grown used to Purves' First Doctor but it's not exactly spot on and I wasn't a fan of William Russell's, so getting David Bradley in is fine, out of the three none of them will perfectly replicate Hartnell but they all bring their own thing to the role, I trust that David Bradley will recreate the role faithfully. With Jemma Powell, I thought she sounded enough like Barbara to satisfy me though I've only heard her in the first part of one of the Early Adventures so I can't judge accurately however again, Maureen O'Brien and Carole Ann Ford sound less like Barbara than Powell does. I have no idea what to think of Jamie Glover except it irritates that he doesn't look the slightest bit like Ian but I'm glad someone younger is coming to the role as I thought Ian sounded a bit too old in Domain of the Voord, which makes sense given Russell's age but it took me out of the story a bit and if Russell is stepping down, once again they might as well get a decent actor to stand in. I'm not sure how much Claudia Grant sounds like Susan but it makes more sense that she sounds younger than the rest of them and not older like she would if Ford played her.
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Post by redsharkJason on Sept 15, 2017 18:28:36 GMT
Its actually 4 stories, not 8, but your point still stands. Ah, they're on par with the Third Doctor Adventures 2-story format and not the usual 4-story new series box sets - cheers! Moreover, I guess it's debatable whether some of us will consider these AAISAT First Doctor Adventures to be a "new series" (like I presently do) or a classic series production.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 15, 2017 18:29:10 GMT
I wish I could remember the podcast from a couple of years ago where Nick read my letter asking him if they ever thought about doing an earlier incarnation of The Master, since we never have been told what incarnation the Delgado Master was. There was this beat where it was obvious I had opened a door for him. ANYWAY, if we as fans want full cast stories featuring Doctors from earlier eras, recasting is where it is going to lead to. In a way the BBC took some of the pressure off of BF in this case by producing the docudrama that introduced these alternative versions of the original Doctor & TARDIS crew and then bringing back Bradley as Doctor 1 in a proper Doctor Who story. From the moment Bradley was announced for the Christmas special I wondered if something with Big Finish was in the cards. Bringing along the new actors playing Susan, Ian and Barbara surprised me but I guess it makes sense. It certainly is a top shelf array of Big Finish talent on these, so yeah, I'll probably preorder sooner rather than later.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 15, 2017 18:31:38 GMT
Is this a final blow for the 'War Chief=The Master'/'Monk=The Master' theory? Nope, the same wild theories people will think up to keep "The Dark Path" in canon (obviously this new series is the adventures of Soul and Zezanne) will also protect the all-evil-Time-Lords-are-one-and-the-same theory. All joking aside, I'm a bit uneasy about this series while William Russell and Carole Ann Ford are still alive - but James Dreyfus as the Master? He's such an underrated actor, this is a very appealing casting. I hope he keeps his character at the Delgado end of the scale, not the insanity or maliciousness or sheer evil joy of the later incarnations - I'd like to see a sane baddie.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 15, 2017 18:41:14 GMT
Is this a final blow for the 'War Chief=The Master'/'Monk=The Master' theory? Nope, the same wild theories people will think up to keep "The Dark Path" in canon (obviously this new series is the adventures of Soul and Zezanne) will also protect the all-evil-Time-Lords-are-one-and-the-same theory. All joking aside, I'm a bit uneasy about this series while William Russell and Carole Ann Ford are still alive - but James Dreyfus as the Master? He's such an underrated actor, this is a very appealing casting. I hope he keeps his character at the Delgado end of the scale, not the insanity or maliciousness or sheer evil joy of the later incarnations - I'd like to see a sane baddie. Exactly. Give us a version of the Master that is the a darker, more amoral version of The Doctor and not the panto villain he would become.
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Post by SG. on Sept 15, 2017 19:15:24 GMT
I feel like this is another Third Doctor Adventures / Ninth Doctor Chronicles situation where everybody seems to be very wary of it but ultimately will be pleasantly surprised by the result.
Dropping the Master in there is a pleasant surprise too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 20:04:45 GMT
I feel like this is another Third Doctor Adventures / Ninth Doctor Chronicles situation where everybody seems to be very wary of it but ultimately will be pleasantly surprised by the result. It's certainly seems as polarising as those, but I actually think this situation is way different; David Bradley is the First Doctor in televised episodes of Doctor Who, so the BBC have done the recast not Big Finish. Therefore it is perfectly normal to expect Big Finish to use a live 'First Doctor' in some audio adventures as part of their licence. I think the surprise for me is the recast companions and an early Master. But First Doctor audios with David Bradley were only a matter of time once his First Doctor became TV canon.
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Post by mbt66 on Sept 15, 2017 20:04:56 GMT
Well this is the first First Doctor audio announcement that has gotten me interested and thinking about pre-ordering. Especially with a brand new Master in the mix.
The era holds no nostalgic feeling for me (I started with Jon Pertwee) as it was before my time. Richard Hurndall was as much the 1st Doctor to me as William Hartnell, so I have no issue with it being a recast.
I am hoping this will be the First Doctor in glorious technicolor, rather than a faithful recreating of the black and white First Doctor.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 15, 2017 20:37:23 GMT
But everything looks better in black & white.
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