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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 21:07:51 GMT
Why isn’t there a poll for this one? Because people couldn't behave themselves, and because we don't normally do polls for NuWho episodes in these threads. Well if you go back and look at last week's poll, it looks like people have learned their lesson, and I would very much like to see one here.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 14, 2018 21:11:59 GMT
Now, the whole 'Eternal Child' and the Doctor 'not knowing' could be seeding something bigger than just whatever S11 is about (though family seems to be a key running theme thus far, so who knows) and be a hint as to where Chibnall's 'five year plan' may be heading (maybe he'll settle the Lungbarrow debate at last?). It's also not as sign-posty as say, Bad Wolf or the Hybrid were. Of course, I expect someone has already started procliaming 'IT'S SUSAN' because of it's always Suasn (well, either her or Omega). Pfft, we all know it’s the Policeman from an Unearthly Child! Amateur. I have document evidence that says it's the Chumblies!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 14, 2018 21:13:28 GMT
If there was a poll for The Ghost Monument I'd give it another 4/5, as I found it very enjoyable. But the new version of the theme will take some getting used to. I rather liked it as well. Again, and this may be a running comment of mine, this looked proper gorgeous. The world looked threatening and killer fabric is rather unexpected but quite dangerous. What exactly did the fabric say to the Doctor? Eternal Child is all I really caught. The opening sequence and theme feels quite ominous & mysterious. Once again the focus was more on character & relationship building rather than plot and I'm okay with that. There was just enough plot to move everything along. The cast is settling in very well and Whittaker has firmly taken the show on her shoulders. And I also liked how the TARDIS was a combination of organic & retro. Here is that word again, mysterious. Two episodes in and I think the show is in good hands.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 14, 2018 21:14:15 GMT
Those creepy cloth creatures were probably the coolest part. Seems like there's another arc on the horizon. Since you mention, I really liked when they form a sort of human shape during the 'timeless child' bit. It had a ancient, gothic feel to it, like a mix of ghost, mummy and oracle. Minor detail but I did like that.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 14, 2018 21:15:48 GMT
Those creepy cloth creatures were probably the coolest part. Seems like there's another arc on the horizon. Since you mention, I really liked when they form a sort of human shape during the 'timeless child' bit. It had a ancient, gothic feel to it, like a mix of ghost, mummy and oracle. Minor detail but I did like that.
Gothic is a good word. The episode had the feeling of a melding of the early 1st & 4th Doctor eras to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 21:16:52 GMT
Nothing earth shattering but I enjoyed what was there. It felt like a modern Keys Of Marinus to me which I wasn't expecting from previews. Much more adventure and movement - more kinetic that I thought. LOVE the new theme, the sound drop just before the "dum-de-dums" is amazing. The title sequence very Pertwee-modern. Speaking of which....who thought we'd get Venusian Akido? Little nods like that are what Chibnall mentioned at SDCC, titbits for us but nothing that would confuse a casual viewer who can write it off as a throwaway bit of funniness along with Audrey Hepburn/Pythagoras' sunglasses. Visually it was glorious. Made wonderful use of the locations then used enough wonderfully designed and dressed sets to expand on it. The new aspect ratio really does show off the filmic elements.
Felt a wee bit of a waste of Art Malik's talent though. What he did, he did wonderfully but he's Art Malik, he should be a right Who villain.
It's shaping up to be a more straightforward show again which makes sense to make the appeal as broad as possible though there were times I missed a bit of trickery or twistiness we would have gotten with Moffat.
Certainly didn't expect the Stenza to be featured again much less the next week. They'll need to be more effective than Tim Shaw if they're any kind of big bad or new alien menace though. They were more effective tonight being talked about than actually on screen last week. Hmmm.
New TARDIS? Yeah, like it. Matches the sonic and it feels a bit more McGann like. Will need to see more.
Overall....solid 50 mins of Who. Not a fave but a fun - and I usually hate stories being called this - romp.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 14, 2018 21:26:43 GMT
Nothing earth shattering but I enjoyed what was there. It felt like a modern Keys Of Marinus to me which I wasn't expecting from previews. Much more adventure and movement - more kinetic that I thought. LOVE the new theme, the sound drop just before the "dum-de-dums" is amazing. The title sequence very Pertwee-modern. Speaking of which....who thought we'd get Venusian Akido? Little nods like that are what Chibnall mentioned at SDCC, titbits for us but nothing that would confuse a casual viewer who can write it off as a throwaway bit of funniness along with Audrey Hepburn/Pythagoras' sunglasses. Felt a wee bit of a waste of Art Malik's talent though. What he did, he did wonderfully but he's Art Malik, he should be a right Who villain. It's shaping up to be a more straightforward show again which makes sense to make the appeal as broad as possible though there were times I missed a bit of trickery or twistiness we would have gotten with Moffat. Certainly didn't expect the Stenza to be featured again much less the next week. They'll need to be more effective than Tim Shaw if they're any kind of big bad or new alien menace though. They were more effective tonight being talked about than actually on screen last week. Hmmm. New TARDIS? Yeah, like it. Matches the sonic and it feels a bit more McGann like. Will need to see more. Overall....solid 50 mins of Who. Not a fave but a fun - and I usually hate stories being called this - romp. I kind of look at this and The Woman Who Fell to Earth as a two-part episode, these two episodes form a reintroduction of the series to an audience that may have checked out and been away for awhile. They are done introducing the characters, with the TARDIS arriving this week, and now the show is off and running.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 21:34:01 GMT
Could be. It's obviously a straight 2-part sequel in terms of where it picks up and thematically but Chibbers was clear with his "10 standalones, no returning monsters" every interview he gave so I guess we can have it as a thematic 2 parter while still being standalones.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 14, 2018 21:34:32 GMT
If there was a poll for The Ghost Monument I'd give it another 4/5, as I found it very enjoyable. But the new version of the theme will take some getting used to. I rather liked it as well. Again, and this may be a running comment of mine, this looked proper gorgeous. The world looked threatening and killer fabric is rather unexpected but quite dangerous. What exactly did the fabric say to the Doctor? Eternal Child is all I really caught. The opening sequence and theme feels quite ominous & mysterious. Once again the focus was more on character & relationship building rather than plot and I'm okay with that. There was just enough plot to move everything along. The cast is settling in very well and Whittaker has firmly taken the show on her shoulders. And I also liked how the TARDIS was a combination of organic & retro. Here is that word again, mysterious. Two episodes in and I think the show is in good hands. What was said
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You Lead but your Afraid as well Afraid of your own Newness
We see deeper though further back The Timeless Child
Doctor: What did you Say?
Blanket: She doesn't know
Doctor: What are you talking about What can you see?
Blanket: We see what's hidden, even from yourself, the Outcast, abandoned and unknown
Doctor: Get out of my head!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 21:36:12 GMT
Oh...the reveal of the TARDIS as the Ghost Monument on the holo-projector? Chills.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 14, 2018 21:36:32 GMT
Thank you court stenographer Mark. 😉
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Post by sherlock on Oct 14, 2018 21:45:50 GMT
Now, the whole 'Eternal Child' and the Doctor 'not knowing' could be seeding something bigger than just whatever S11 is about (though family seems to be a key running theme thus far, so who knows) and be a hint as to where Chibnall's 'five year plan' may be heading (maybe he'll settle the Lungbarrow debate at last?). It's also not as sign-posty as say, Bad Wolf or the Hybrid were. Of course, I expect someone has already started procliaming 'IT'S SUSAN' because of it's always Suasn (well, either her or Omega). And right on cue... www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-10-14/doctor-who-who-or-what-is-the-timeless-child/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 14, 2018 21:52:15 GMT
Thank you court stenographer Mark. 😉 ''What is he, a frickin' myna bird?''
(points to anyone who gets it.)
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 14, 2018 22:06:27 GMT
Very simple and straightforward romp, but there’s nothing wrong with that. I love spending time with this TARDIS team and that’s what it’s all about really! The episode itself was gorgeous; this new filming style is a fantastic step forward for the show. Only criticism is that there was lots of shaky camerawork, particularly as this episode had a lot of close up shots of the characters faces.
The TARDIS exterior is gorgeous. I love the full police box being part of the interior, and I really like the walls and how there were a couple of shots where it looked like they’d filmed through the walls. Not so sure about the console and the crystals around it, but I think I’ll like it once we see more.
The titles and theme tune I’m indifferent to. Not in a bad way, but the former aren’t dissimilar to the Pertwee one and the latter is the original with drums and bass on top. Neither are different enough for me to have a strong view either way.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 14, 2018 22:06:35 GMT
I like that. I couldn't really compare it to last week's episode because it was very different. Like others I got a real Nation-esque vibe off it and I liked the nods back to last week and to the show's history. It wasn't brilliant but I couldn't pick any major flaws in it that screamed "awful!" at me. Guest characters felt cliched but rounded: I've watched enough Amazing Race to get the nods to the source material. Dependable Who that could be watched quite easily again, just as it should be.
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Post by eric009 on Oct 14, 2018 23:04:22 GMT
titles i did not like at all made me think it was a sea but 9/10 for the rest
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 23:10:19 GMT
Greg Austin - Charlie from Class on tonight's ep. Comments a rather predictable deluge of "Well Class was worse", "No, Class never got a chance..." to and fro.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 14, 2018 23:23:25 GMT
Greg Austin - Charlie from Class on tonight's ep. Comments a rather predictable deluge of "Well Class was worse", "No, Class never got a chance..." to and fro. Had one of the Dullest lead male characters ever...
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Post by masterdoctor on Oct 14, 2018 23:24:26 GMT
Greg Austin - Charlie from Class on tonight's ep. Comments a rather predictable deluge of "Well Class was worse", "No, Class never got a chance..." to and fro. How dare he have an opinion, and on twitter no less !
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Post by relativetime on Oct 14, 2018 23:26:42 GMT
The production was what really elevated this story for me. Just that spaceship crash alone - this is the first time Doctor Who has really been able to pull that off convincingly. The music, the sets, the camerawork - all of that is absolutely the best the series has ever been. I'm really enjoying the dynamic between this new TARDIS team - I think they could all still do with a little more development, but the acting is on-point all around. The bit at the end was my favorite moment between them - oh, and the "don't touch!" moment as well. The story is a little bland, though. As noted somewhere on a previous page, it does feel a bit like a by-the-numbers Terry Nation script, which isn't to say it's bad, but it doesn't really stand out as something particularly stellar either. If last week's episode was an 8/10 for me, then this week's was probably more of a 7/10, may have been a 6/10 if not for how top notch the production was.
I absolutely LOVED the opening titles. Didn't really make the Pertwee connection myself, but I definitely got a Classic Who vibe from it. I was actually reminded of McGann's opening titles too (the Big Finish titles, that is). I'm also really digging the new TARDIS interior as well.
So, overall, this wasn't a stone-cold classic, but it's still really competently made and I'm still excited for next week - especially since it's a historical!
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