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Post by mbt66 on Jul 23, 2023 14:56:51 GMT
Q4. With Doctors 4-6 starring in episodes 1-4, who do we think will lead episodes 5-8? I feel fairly sure Doctors 1 and 2 will continue as brief cameos, with 3 perhaps having a chance of appearing as a lead. I'm also confident the Coda episode is Tennant, with the year delay being down to a clash with the tv specials. So it would seem the 3 remaining episodes will likely have 8 leading an episode and 9 leading an episode with the 7th episode perhaps seeing multiple Doctors leading towards 10 as the pre degeneration Doctor. The Coda being Tennant does make sense if the BBC didn’t want Big Finish to have a story released with him at the same time as he was playing the fourteenth Doctor on TV. If that is the case I wonder how much notification Big Finish had. Will the gap make sense of will Once and Future just feel incomplete?
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Post by masterdoctor on Jul 23, 2023 17:13:50 GMT
Q4. With Doctors 4-6 starring in episodes 1-4, who do we think will lead episodes 5-8? I feel fairly sure Doctors 1 and 2 will continue as brief cameos, with 3 perhaps having a chance of appearing as a lead. I'm also confident the Coda episode is Tennant, with the year delay being down to a clash with the tv specials. So it would seem the 3 remaining episodes will likely have 8 leading an episode and 9 leading an episode with the 7th episode perhaps seeing multiple Doctors leading towards 10 as the pre degeneration Doctor. The Coda being Tennant does make sense if the BBC didn’t want Big Finish to have a story released with him at the same time as he was playing the fourteenth Doctor on TV. If that is the case I wonder how much notification Big Finish had. Will the gap make sense of will Once and Future just feel incomplete? When the run was first announced, if you were quick enough before BF realized their mistake but {Spoiler} Coda was listed to feature Jo Martin.
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 23, 2023 20:29:12 GMT
The Coda being Tennant does make sense if the BBC didn’t want Big Finish to have a story released with him at the same time as he was playing the fourteenth Doctor on TV. If that is the case I wonder how much notification Big Finish had. Will the gap make sense of will Once and Future just feel incomplete? When the run was first announced, if you were quick enough before BF realized their mistake but {Spoiler} Coda was listed to feature Jo Martin. In that case I am really confused!? Why wait a year?!
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Post by martinw8686 on Jul 24, 2023 7:57:32 GMT
When the run was first announced, if you were quick enough before BF realized their mistake but {Spoiler} Coda was listed to feature Jo Martin. In that case I am really confused!? Why wait a year?! Perhaps the year delay is nothing to do with the anniversary, it's a case of fitting around the release of the Fugitive Doctor range. Perhaps this Coda episode may spoil a surprise intended for the new range?
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Post by Kestrel on Jul 24, 2023 21:48:15 GMT
The Coda being Tennant does make sense if the BBC didn’t want Big Finish to have a story released with him at the same time as he was playing the fourteenth Doctor on TV. If that is the case I wonder how much notification Big Finish had. Will the gap make sense of will Once and Future just feel incomplete? When the run was first announced, if you were quick enough before BF realized their mistake but {Spoiler} Coda was listed to feature Jo Martin. That would be a really weird choice given how irrelevant they are to their own Doctor's story, nevermind any of the other Doctor's. Also seems a couple years too late to ride the hype train, now that all the fandom's hype machinery is geared towards Tennant and Gatwa.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2023 22:15:03 GMT
When the run was first announced, if you were quick enough before BF realized their mistake but {Spoiler} Coda was listed to feature Jo Martin. That would be a really weird choice given how irrelevant they are to their own Doctor's story, nevermind any of the other Doctor's. Also seems a couple years too late to ride the hype train, now that all the fandom's hype machinery is geared towards Tennant and Gatwa. I think that the response to that character, if not the era, was very strong. Perfect for BF's oldest selling point - "much better written on audio than they got a chance to show on TV". See...Colin, Bonnie, Adric and more.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 16, 2023 11:35:55 GMT
When/if the BF Convention Circuit gets going this series is really going to generate robust debate
BF Fans in general "You can do Better"
BF "We were working around a Global Pandemic you know"
Non BF Fans "Still can't decide if we should invest in DW Audios long term.
My main Issue is it being released monthly and there's no reason it couldn't have a single big release in November.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 16, 2023 13:02:01 GMT
When/if the BF Convention Circuit gets going this series is really going to generate robust debate BF Fans in general "You can do Better" BF "We were working around a Global Pandemic you know" Non BF Fans "Still can't decide if we should invest in DW Audios long term. My main Issue is it being released monthly and there's no reason it couldn't have a single big release in November. Regards mark687 Hats off to BF for working around a global pendamic , but that's not really the issue for me. It seems like this was the meeting around the (virtual) Big Finish table:
"Let's celebrate the 60th by having Harry meet the Third Doctor meet the Sixth Doctor meet Lady Christina meet Jackie."
"That'll be logistically difficult, especially at the moment."
"Yeah, but won't it be great? Having all these characters meet?"
"Why? Random characters from Who are getting together in mash-ups in most ranges currently."
"So let's do even more of it!"
"Well, we need a really strong story to justify it."
"Nah. No one will even notice any story underneath all these familiar faces and the hilarity that's sure to ensue!"
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I really don't like posting negative comment like this, but with all the X meets Y that's going on at the moment, why did they think that even more of the same was (a) a good idea and (b) is anything different from what they are doing elsewhere? It squanders the idea of an 'event', it squanders the characters in question and I don't know about anyone else, but after this series has ended, I don't want anything featuring 'familiar faces from the past' for a long, long time.
Humbug.
Agreed if they'd gone for jolly fun run through the Eras and light like the 5 Docs fine no problems, they've gone for there's an ongoing Stake and Mystery Box Arc over 8 70 minute EPs (well technically 7 Coda apparently is just a Bonus not vital to the plot ), and the structure is 1st 3rd reestablish the returning mix and match elements and the other 2 resolving the episode Stake without significantly advancing the Arc literally just a couple of lines of dialogue at the end of each EP Frustration is somewhat outweighing enjoyment currently. Regards mark687
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Post by timleschild on Aug 16, 2023 13:20:29 GMT
Sounds shit
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Post by mark687 on Aug 16, 2023 13:24:40 GMT
Always Nice to hear Regards mark687
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Post by martinw8686 on Aug 16, 2023 13:35:45 GMT
Have to say, I'm feeling quite underwhelmed by Once and Future. I'm seriously considering giving up after early feedback on episode 4.
1, 2 and 3 episodes have been OK, but quite bland. Ep 3 was enjoyable but there's the thinnest of story arc here and it's very frustrating.
The whole degeneration story line really excited me but it's barely mentioned, you can hardly tell that these stories are happening outside of the original Doctors era. Everything is so inconsequential that they may as well have not bothered.
The whole story arc is basically, which characters shall we have meet each other, run around for a bit with about 1% of plot and then quickly discard for the next shallow sip of benign broth.
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Post by bonehead on Aug 16, 2023 14:08:07 GMT
Hats off to BF for working around a global pendamic , but that's not really the issue for me. It seems like this was the meeting around the (virtual) Big Finish table:
"Let's celebrate the 60th by having Harry meet the Third Doctor meet the Sixth Doctor meet Lady Christina meet Jackie."
"That'll be logistically difficult, especially at the moment."
"Yeah, but won't it be great? Having all these characters meet?"
"Why? Random characters from Who are getting together in mash-ups in most ranges currently."
"So let's do even more of it!"
"Well, we need a really strong story to justify it."
"Nah. No one will even notice any story underneath all these familiar faces and the hilarity that's sure to ensue!"
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I really don't like posting negative comment like this, but with all the X meets Y that's going on at the moment, why did they think that even more of the same was (a) a good idea and (b) is anything different from what they are doing elsewhere? It squanders the idea of an 'event', it squanders the characters in question and I don't know about anyone else, but after this series has ended, I don't want anything featuring 'familiar faces from the past' for a long, long time.
Humbug.
Agreed if they'd gone for jolly fun run through the Eras and light like the 5 Docs fine no problems, they've gone for there's an ongoing Stake and Mystery Box Arc over 8 70 minute EPs (well technically 7 Coda apparently is just a Bonus not vital to the plot ), and the structure is 1st 3rd reestablish the returning mix and match elements and the other 2 resolving the episode Stake without significantly advancing the Arc literally just a couple of lines of dialogue at the end of each EP Frustration is somewhat outweighing enjoyment currently. Regards mark687 Agreed.
Sadly, I'd deleted my comment shortly before you quoted it! I genuinely don't like being negative about BF because on the whole, they're invaluable and essential for me. The recent Torchwood range in particular, shows that they can still turn in the goods, even in the challenging circumstances the latest series was recorded during.
Blake's 7 and Survivors have, perhaps out of necessity due to casting restrictions, become something I no longer really have an interest in. Dark Shadows - well, any kind of update on that sadly missed range would be welcome but seems none forthcoming. And Doctor Who is more hit-and-miss than ever. When a series is good, it's great (3DAs, 1DAs and 5DAs in particular). However, this celebratory mash-up - or mash-up of mash-ups - is so self-referential, any storyline is negated. The problem as I see it is, now BF have made a name for themselves selling X,Y and Z meets A, B and C as a selling gimmick, stepping back from that mindset might be seen to reduce interest.
Remember JNT and his 'Who-ed out' phrase, which meant creatively exhausted by Who's format? I feel that way as a listener of Once and Future.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 16, 2023 14:16:32 GMT
Agreed if they'd gone for jolly fun run through the Eras and light like the 5 Docs fine no problems, they've gone for there's an ongoing Stake and Mystery Box Arc over 8 70 minute EPs (well technically 7 Coda apparently is just a Bonus not vital to the plot ), and the structure is 1st 3rd reestablish the returning mix and match elements and the other 2 resolving the episode Stake without significantly advancing the Arc literally just a couple of lines of dialogue at the end of each EP Frustration is somewhat outweighing enjoyment currently. Regards mark687 Agreed.
Sadly, I'd deleted my comment shortly before you quoted it! I genuinely don't like being negative about BF because on the whole, they're invaluable and essential for me. The recent Torchwood range in particular, shows that they can still turn in the goods, even in the challenging circumstances the latest series was recorded during.
Blake's 7 and Survivors have, perhaps out of necessity due to casting restrictions, become something I no longer really have an interest in. Dark Shadows - well, any kind of update on that sadly missed range would be welcome but seems none forthcoming. And Doctor Who is more hit-and-miss than ever. When a series is good, it's great (3DAs, 1DAs and 5DAs in particular). However, this celebratory mash-up - or mash-up of mash-ups - is so self-referential, any storyline is negated. The problem as I see it is, now BF have made a name for themselves selling X,Y and Z meets A, B and C as a selling gimmick, stepping back from that mindset might be seen to reduce interest.
Remember JNT and his 'Who-ed out' phrase, which meant creatively exhausted by Who's format? I feel that way as a listener of Once and Future.
I don't think its Who'd Out I do think both Audience and BF may've taken each other for granted in terms of this series particularly. Regards mark687
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Post by mbt66 on Aug 16, 2023 14:43:07 GMT
Regarding Q2 Two’s Company confirms that the Doctor’s clothes change when he does. But personally I am going to ignore that, as I like having all the Doctors looking different in this series. The Sixth Doctor in a more understated outfit was one of the best things about Two’s Company.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 16, 2023 15:32:40 GMT
Always Nice to hear Regards mark687 Thanks Regards timleschild
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Post by timleschild on Aug 16, 2023 15:35:34 GMT
Agreed if they'd gone for jolly fun run through the Eras and light like the 5 Docs fine no problems, they've gone for there's an ongoing Stake and Mystery Box Arc over 8 70 minute EPs (well technically 7 Coda apparently is just a Bonus not vital to the plot ), and the structure is 1st 3rd reestablish the returning mix and match elements and the other 2 resolving the episode Stake without significantly advancing the Arc literally just a couple of lines of dialogue at the end of each EP Frustration is somewhat outweighing enjoyment currently. Regards mark687 Agreed.
Sadly, I'd deleted my comment shortly before you quoted it! I genuinely don't like being negative about BF because on the whole, they're invaluable and essential for me. The recent Torchwood range in particular, shows that they can still turn in the goods, even in the challenging circumstances the latest series was recorded during.
Blake's 7 and Survivors have, perhaps out of necessity due to casting restrictions, become something I no longer really have an interest in. Dark Shadows - well, any kind of update on that sadly missed range would be welcome but seems none forthcoming. And Doctor Who is more hit-and-miss than ever. When a series is good, it's great (3DAs, 1DAs and 5DAs in particular). However, this celebratory mash-up - or mash-up of mash-ups - is so self-referential, any storyline is negated. The problem as I see it is, now BF have made a name for themselves selling X,Y and Z meets A, B and C as a selling gimmick, stepping back from that mindset might be seen to reduce interest.
Remember JNT and his 'Who-ed out' phrase, which meant creatively exhausted by Who's format? I feel that way as a listener of Once and Future.
Yes far too much gimmicks, Its why I really enjoy 9th Doctor range. So far very little in the way of just shoving random Dr Who characters together. Really hope they don't try to add Daleks to 9th Doctor range. I fear the format of Fugitive Doctor will very much follow the usual BF pattern.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 16, 2023 15:46:49 GMT
The article on The Martian Invasion of Planetoid 50 really showcases the logic, or lack thereof, in Once & Future. It was an extra story crammed in when they realised they could get Tennant, which is baffling that he wasn’t initially considered given he’d been recording for Big Finish regularly enough pre-COVID and the anniversary was 3+ years away. And then the script underwent changes as they decided which guest cast they’d have available for the day’s recording. And then the writer confesses to not really having the voices of Missy or The Paternoster Gang in their head when writing.
The littlest interest in planning or telling an interesting story in favour of scalability and delivering on the hop as and when actors are available. Feels like we’re being held in contempt, frankly, by promoting something that hasn’t matched the initial premise knowing full well we’ve bought into the full run. Poor all round and leaves a bad taste.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 16, 2023 16:45:51 GMT
The article on The Martian Invasion of Planetoid 50 really showcases the logic, or lack thereof, in Once & Future. It was an extra story crammed in when they realised they could get Tennant, which is baffling that he wasn’t initially considered given he’d been recording for Big Finish regularly enough pre-COVID and the anniversary was 3+ years away. And then the script underwent changes as they decided which guest cast they’d have available for the day’s recording. And then the writer confesses to not really having the voices of Missy or The Paternoster Gang in their head when writing. The littlest interest in planning or telling an interesting story in favour of scalability and delivering on the hop as and when actors are available. Feels like we’re being held in contempt, frankly, by promoting something that hasn’t matched the initial premise knowing full well we’ve bought into the full run. Poor all round and leaves a bad taste. Didn't know any of this, & quite frankly it stinks. BF appear not to give a damn. Time to go Briggs?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 20:50:10 GMT
The article on The Martian Invasion of Planetoid 50 really showcases the logic, or lack thereof, in Once & Future. It was an extra story crammed in when they realised they could get Tennant, which is baffling that he wasn’t initially considered given he’d been recording for Big Finish regularly enough pre-COVID and the anniversary was 3+ years away. And then the script underwent changes as they decided which guest cast they’d have available for the day’s recording. And then the writer confesses to not really having the voices of Missy or The Paternoster Gang in their head when writing. The littlest interest in planning or telling an interesting story in favour of scalability and delivering on the hop as and when actors are available. Feels like we’re being held in contempt, frankly, by promoting something that hasn’t matched the initial premise knowing full well we’ve bought into the full run. Poor all round and leaves a bad taste. What's almost more insulting is letting that be the narrative they put out. Coming up with a bare skeletal idea then just pasting names in and not trying to write for the actors. Little wonder some of the Behind The Scenes stuff says Michelle Gomez improvs like nuts..so would any artist with self-respect if the writers were writing "Generic Master Dialogue" and your lines could be for Jacobi or Beevers.. Sure, I've no doubt ideas are devised then retooled for specific Doctors and enemies but to say they're not even trying to do that...on the showcase anniversary set? BF honestly seem to want people to walk away sometimes. A saboteur couldn't do better than some of their own work.. I'd be embarrassed for that to be out there. Cringeworthy.
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 16, 2023 20:57:46 GMT
Hmm. Reading all this, I am very much unimpressed. I had hoped for the best, but feared this could devolve into X meets Y while suddenly running into Z. I was looking forward to monthly releases, but I admit I am a bit un-enthused about all this so far.
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