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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2023 10:42:53 GMT
Negative Critic I should say Regards mark687 OK. They need to listen. Even though Briggs is too thin skinned sadly. Need to Listen why Need? Regards mark687 |
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 10:45:43 GMT
OK. They need to listen. Even though Briggs is too thin skinned sadly. Need to Listen why Need? Regards mark687 So they can improve. So they can survive. BF is a niche product. |
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2023 10:51:57 GMT
Need to Listen why Need? Regards mark687 So they can improve. So they can survive. BF is a niche product. I think its probable they survive because of the Gimmicks The difference is this time we the audience can see the Super Glue joins Regards mark687 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 15:54:51 GMT
We called the "gimmicks" being almost never-ending the minute they said the MR was going and it'd be box sets all round. "Just a couple of solid stories" is fine when you're subbed, but when you're asking for £30-40? They've felt the need to add these crossovers. While, yes, they may be doing well for them - it's not sustainable. Remember how quickly "River with McGann???" became "wow..River with McGann...again"? You can see the same thing with Jackie now. It's a running joke on Twitter what random stories she'll be used in to give a bit of New Who rub without having to get in a Tennant, Piper, Tate etc.
The exact same thing happened in the comics industry in the 90s. A MASSIVE boom where crossovers only dreamt about happened. Then they did them some more...and more..and etc. By the time DC and Marvel pivoted and reset things, sales were down to a level they've never recovered from regardless of how many great stories have been written since. Novelty wearing off is a cliche for a reason - because it DOES wear off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 19:17:33 GMT
Novelty wearing off is a cliche for a reason - because it DOES wear off. It sure does... and has! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 19:25:02 GMT
The whole story arc is basically, which characters shall we have meet each other, run around for a bit with about 1% of plot and then quickly discard for the next shallow sip of benign broth. Doesn't that describe the writers meeting for most Big Finish Doctor Who stories these days? It sure seems like that anyway!
Once they went to box sets, shallow sips of benign broth was always going to be the order of the day.
Those gimmicky Doctor Who sets must sell though or BF wouldn't persist in churning them out again and again and again... so we must be the ones that are out of step!
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 19:36:21 GMT
Beginning of the end for BF
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Post by grinch on Aug 17, 2023 19:38:12 GMT
The whole story arc is basically, which characters shall we have meet each other, run around for a bit with about 1% of plot and then quickly discard for the next shallow sip of benign broth. Doesn't that describe the writers meeting for most Big Finish Doctor Who stories these days? It sure seems like that anyway!
Once they went to box sets, shallow sips of benign broth was always going to be the order of the day.
Those gimmicky Doctor Who sets must sell though or BF wouldn't persist in churning them out again and again and again... so we must be the ones that are out of step!
“Benign broth” I must commend you sir on your excellent turn of phrase. I can’t offer a comment on Once and Future myself but I do agree that for a lot of these crossovers it very much is a case of diminishing returns. Also makes the universe seem that much smaller as well with every character bumping into everyone else. |
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 20:04:24 GMT
Doesn't that describe the writers meeting for most Big Finish Doctor Who stories these days? It sure seems like that anyway!
Once they went to box sets, shallow sips of benign broth was always going to be the order of the day.
Those gimmicky Doctor Who sets must sell though or BF wouldn't persist in churning them out again and again and again... so we must be the ones that are out of step!
“Benign broth” I must commend you sir on your excellent turn of phrase. I can’t offer a comment on Once and Future myself but I do agree that for a lot of these crossovers it very much is a case of diminishing returns. Also makes the universe seem that much smaller as well with every character bumping into everyone else. Yes. Time for a rethink BF. NOW. |
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Post by martinw8686 on Aug 17, 2023 20:17:08 GMT
Doesn't that describe the writers meeting for most Big Finish Doctor Who stories these days? It sure seems like that anyway!
Once they went to box sets, shallow sips of benign broth was always going to be the order of the day.
Those gimmicky Doctor Who sets must sell though or BF wouldn't persist in churning them out again and again and again... so we must be the ones that are out of step!
“Benign broth” I must commend you sir on your excellent turn of phrase. I can’t offer a comment on Once and Future myself but I do agree that for a lot of these crossovers it very much is a case of diminishing returns. Also makes the universe seem that much smaller as well with every character bumping into everyone else. Thank you for your commendation. It's a shame a useful turn of phrase alludes me, when talking to people face to face. The move to boxsets has been 50/50 for me, the x meets y has grown tiresome but perhaps the sales figures tell a different story. I don't mind a returning villain from time to time, the recent 7th Doctor Vashta Narada story was a good example of finding an interesting angle for an old foe. But story must always come first, which is sadly lacking in Once and Future. I adored Dark Eyes - Stranded because of the running themes, clever plots, and excellent charecter pieces. I hope we can see more sets based on inventive idea's and less meaningless team ups. |
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Post by bonehead on Aug 17, 2023 20:17:34 GMT
Strangely, the 5DAs seem to have escaped much of the cross-overs and for my money, are all the better for it. Same for the 3DAs, not withstanding the cameo in the recent Annihilators release. I wonder how those two ranges are selling compared to, for example, River Song's sets, where - bless her - she tends me meet everyone under the sun.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 17, 2023 20:33:26 GMT
I understand River encountering Doctor and Doctor adjacent characters - she’s literally genetically programmed to be focused on the Doctor, add her ability to time travel and you’ll inevitably have her encountering other Doctors other than her main Doctor (eleven).
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2023 21:27:36 GMT
The whole story arc is basically, which characters shall we have meet each other, run around for a bit with about 1% of plot and then quickly discard for the next shallow sip of benign broth. Doesn't that describe the writers meeting for most Big Finish Doctor Who stories these days? It sure seems like that anyway!
Once they went to box sets, shallow sips of benign broth was always going to be the order of the day.
Those gimmicky Doctor Who sets must sell though or BF wouldn't persist in churning them out again and again and again... so we must be the ones that are out of step!
Yes its complete contradiction if we didn't invest the money BF couldn't offer attractive projects, if BF didn't offer attractive projects we wouldn't invest the money. Regards mark687 |
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 17, 2023 21:28:24 GMT
I understand River encountering Doctor and Doctor adjacent characters - she’s literally genetically programmed to be focused on the Doctor, add her ability to time travel and you’ll inevitably have her encountering other Doctors other than her main Doctor (eleven). And yet, her best release, and maybe the best release in recent years FULL STOP is "Friend of the Family" (and yes, this is just my lowly opinion) and this one manages completely WITHOUT any gimmicks and any X meets Y while running into Z. It is just an amazingly written, perfectly performed, heartwarming timey-whimey story.
THIS is the kind of story I crave.
I could not care less if she runs into Jackie next if I am perfectly honest, one of the reasons I have not (for the first time) pre-ordered this month's River Song release.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 21:32:01 GMT
I understand River encountering Doctor and Doctor adjacent characters - she’s literally genetically programmed to be focused on the Doctor, add her ability to time travel and you’ll inevitably have her encountering other Doctors other than her main Doctor (eleven). True. But it's boring. |
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 21:33:36 GMT
Doesn't that describe the writers meeting for most Big Finish Doctor Who stories these days? It sure seems like that anyway!
Once they went to box sets, shallow sips of benign broth was always going to be the order of the day.
Those gimmicky Doctor Who sets must sell though or BF wouldn't persist in churning them out again and again and again... so we must be the ones that are out of step!
Yes its complete contradiction if we didn't invest the money BF couldn't offer attractive projects, if BF didn't offer attractive projects we wouldn't invest the money. Regards mark687 Well we would need sales figures to back this up. |
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2023 21:38:29 GMT
Strangely, the 5DAs seem to have escaped much of the cross-overs and for my money, are all the better for it. Same for the 3DAs, not withstanding the cameo in the recent Annihilators of recent times. I wonder how those two ranges are selling compared to, for example, River Song's sets, where - bless her - she tends me meet everyone under the sun. Also although they'er arcs the 1 and 2 DAs (yes they have returning elements but different styles of pace and storytelling) Regards mark687 |
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2023 21:43:09 GMT
Yes its complete contradiction if we didn't invest the money BF couldn't offer attractive projects, if BF didn't offer attractive projects we wouldn't invest the money. Regards mark687 Well we would need sales figures to back this up. Well it probably is a sustainable Model (no matter how much someone SHOUTS that they should change it) Regards mark687 |
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 22:39:59 GMT
Well we would need sales figures to back this up. Well it probably is a sustainable Model (no matter how much someone SHOUTS that they should change it) Regards mark687 Not seen anyone shouting... |
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Post by thegreendeath on Aug 18, 2023 16:20:21 GMT
To be fair 6’s boxsets haven’t had any recurring elements since the boxsets started and this year’s 5’s don’t either and I felt 4’s usage of the Angels and 7’s of the Vashta Narada worked really nicely, so there’s a fair amount of BF real estate that doesn’t heavily mine crossovers.
I’ve largely enjoyed O&F for what it is (a once a month mix and match low stakes adventure) but will admit it doesn’t really serve as good a celebration as 40 (which I thought did a great job with the returning elements). I’ve liked O&F a fair amount better than Light At The End though, which I thought had terrible dialog and a middling plot. At least this year’s dialog has been consistently fun.
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