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Post by tuigirl on Aug 16, 2023 21:01:15 GMT
Yes far too much gimmicks, Its why I really enjoy 9th Doctor range. So far very little in the way of just shoving random Dr Who characters together. Really hope they don't try to add Daleks to 9th Doctor range. I fear the format of Fugitive Doctor will very much follow the usual BF pattern. I actually had some high hopes for the Fugitive Doctor. With her, they could do something COMPLETELY different from the usual stuff.
Go very experimental, do something NEW.
But who am I actually kidding? She might just meet Jackie first and then hook up with River Song for a threesome.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 21:08:43 GMT
Yes far too much gimmicks, Its why I really enjoy 9th Doctor range. So far very little in the way of just shoving random Dr Who characters together. Really hope they don't try to add Daleks to 9th Doctor range. I fear the format of Fugitive Doctor will very much follow the usual BF pattern. I actually had some high hopes for the Fugitive Doctor. With her, they could do something COMPLETELY different from the usual stuff.
Go very experimental, do something NEW.
But who am I actually kidding? She might just meet Jackie first and then hook up with River Song for a threesome.
I think they'll have the same issues that The War Doctor did/does - the BBC won't let them go TOO far, even with an incarnation who is decidedly not "our" Doctor. I love Jo to death..but she shouldn't be used as just "we can't get a lot of the new Doctors...give the scripts to her"
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Post by timleschild on Aug 16, 2023 23:04:29 GMT
Yes far too much gimmicks, Its why I really enjoy 9th Doctor range. So far very little in the way of just shoving random Dr Who characters together. Really hope they don't try to add Daleks to 9th Doctor range. I fear the format of Fugitive Doctor will very much follow the usual BF pattern. I actually had some high hopes for the Fugitive Doctor. With her, they could do something COMPLETELY different from the usual stuff.
Go very experimental, do something NEW.
But who am I actually kidding? She might just meet Jackie first and then hook up with River Song for a threesome.
Yes. So much potential. Maybe not even have a TARDIS. Definitely no classic monsters. Just treat it like an original scifi series, This will not happen of course.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 23:08:28 GMT
I actually had some high hopes for the Fugitive Doctor. With her, they could do something COMPLETELY different from the usual stuff.
Go very experimental, do something NEW.
But who am I actually kidding? She might just meet Jackie first and then hook up with River Song for a threesome.
Yes. So much potential. Maybe not even have a TARDIS. Definitely no classic monsters. Just treat it like an original scifi series, This will not happen of course. She has the TARDIS obviously...we never did find out why it looked like a Police Box though. Guess she had a standalone story where the chameleon circuit broke in the early 60s in London.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 16, 2023 23:15:32 GMT
Yes. So much potential. Maybe not even have a TARDIS. Definitely no classic monsters. Just treat it like an original scifi series, This will not happen of course. She has the TARDIS obviously...we never did find out why it looked like a Police Box though. Guess she had a standalone story where the chameleon circuit broke in the early 60s in London. I know "she has the TARDIS obviously". That's why I said "maybe"...it doesn't mean this version of doctor who always had it.
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Post by jadominek on Aug 17, 2023 5:51:38 GMT
The audios are supposed to take place after "Fugitive of the Judoon" episode so I think there would be a story about her trying to escape from that idiotic not-Celestial Intervention Agency. And I think it's very probable she'll meet Sacha Dhawan's Master in her or his series.
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Post by bonehead on Aug 17, 2023 8:28:04 GMT
The article on The Martian Invasion of Planetoid 50 really showcases the logic, or lack thereof, in Once & Future. It was an extra story crammed in when they realised they could get Tennant, which is baffling that he wasn’t initially considered given he’d been recording for Big Finish regularly enough pre-COVID and the anniversary was 3+ years away. And then the script underwent changes as they decided which guest cast they’d have available for the day’s recording. And then the writer confesses to not really having the voices of Missy or The Paternoster Gang in their head when writing. The littlest interest in planning or telling an interesting story in favour of scalability and delivering on the hop as and when actors are available. Feels like we’re being held in contempt, frankly, by promoting something that hasn’t matched the initial premise knowing full well we’ve bought into the full run. Poor all round and leaves a bad taste. I've made my feelings known about this series, but just to pick up on this article - if David Tennant had suddenly become available for the 60th anniversary story, BF are hardly going to turn the opportunity down. Therefore, I can understand them developing a new strand in Once And Future's very loose structure to include him. So I certainly can't condemn them for that, especially if it allows the cast to ad-lib a bit. Also, it would be ironic if Tennant's episode turned out to be the best of the lot!
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 17, 2023 8:58:49 GMT
The article on The Martian Invasion of Planetoid 50 really showcases the logic, or lack thereof, in Once & Future. It was an extra story crammed in when they realised they could get Tennant, which is baffling that he wasn’t initially considered given he’d been recording for Big Finish regularly enough pre-COVID and the anniversary was 3+ years away. And then the script underwent changes as they decided which guest cast they’d have available for the day’s recording. And then the writer confesses to not really having the voices of Missy or The Paternoster Gang in their head when writing. The littlest interest in planning or telling an interesting story in favour of scalability and delivering on the hop as and when actors are available. Feels like we’re being held in contempt, frankly, by promoting something that hasn’t matched the initial premise knowing full well we’ve bought into the full run. Poor all round and leaves a bad taste. I've made my feelings known about this series, but just to pick up on this article - if David Tennant had suddenly become available for the 60th anniversary story, BF are hardly going to turn the opportunity down. Therefore, I can understand them developing a new strand in Once And Future's very loose structure to include him. So I certainly can't condemn them for that, especially if it allows the cast to ad-lib a bit. Also, it would be ironic if Tennant's episode turned out to be the best of the lot! Sorry, I think you’re misunderstanding a little bit there. My point is that Tennant didn’t suddenly reprise the role for Big Finish during COVID (a la Eccleston), and they started planning the 60th anniversary whilst Tennant was regularly recording with them, pre-COVID. So for them to have not planned that well to think to include him, with years prior to the anniversary and its release, is baffling. And Tennant is just an example because the Vortex article was about his release; this is the same attitude across the whole series, slotting people in as and when they’re available, to hell with anything else like story or integrity.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 9:09:48 GMT
The audios are supposed to take place after "Fugitive of the Judoon" episode so I think there would be a story about her trying to escape from that idiotic not-Celestial Intervention Agency. And I think it's very probable she'll meet Sacha Dhawan's Master in her or his series. I didn't know that. That makes me less interested tbh. I'd prefer stories set in the distant past with the Division, seeing that side of her before she escaped.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 9:11:20 GMT
I've made my feelings known about this series, but just to pick up on this article - if David Tennant had suddenly become available for the 60th anniversary story, BF are hardly going to turn the opportunity down. Therefore, I can understand them developing a new strand in Once And Future's very loose structure to include him. So I certainly can't condemn them for that, especially if it allows the cast to ad-lib a bit. Also, it would be ironic if Tennant's episode turned out to be the best of the lot! Sorry, I think you’re misunderstanding a little bit there. My point is that Tennant didn’t suddenly reprise the role for Big Finish during COVID (a la Eccleston), and they started planning the 60th anniversary whilst Tennant was regularly recording with them, pre-COVID. So for them to have not planned that well to think to include him, with years prior to the anniversary and its release, is baffling. And Tennant is just an example because the Vortex article was about his release; this is the same attitude across the whole series, slotting people in as and when they’re available, to hell with anything else like story or integrity. Yep. Write the story first seems a pretty obvious way they should have gone. I guess I will just relisten to The Light at the End which I rather enjoyed.
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Post by bonehead on Aug 17, 2023 9:18:41 GMT
I've made my feelings known about this series, but just to pick up on this article - if David Tennant had suddenly become available for the 60th anniversary story, BF are hardly going to turn the opportunity down. Therefore, I can understand them developing a new strand in Once And Future's very loose structure to include him. So I certainly can't condemn them for that, especially if it allows the cast to ad-lib a bit. Also, it would be ironic if Tennant's episode turned out to be the best of the lot! Sorry, I think you’re misunderstanding a little bit there. Quite possibly!
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2023 9:21:26 GMT
I've made my feelings known about this series, but just to pick up on this article - if David Tennant had suddenly become available for the 60th anniversary story, BF are hardly going to turn the opportunity down. Therefore, I can understand them developing a new strand in Once And Future's very loose structure to include him. So I certainly can't condemn them for that, especially if it allows the cast to ad-lib a bit. Also, it would be ironic if Tennant's episode turned out to be the best of the lot! Sorry, I think you’re misunderstanding a little bit there. My point is that Tennant didn’t suddenly reprise the role for Big Finish during COVID (a la Eccleston), and they started planning the 60th anniversary whilst Tennant was regularly recording with them, pre-COVID. So for them to have not planned that well to think to include him, with years prior to the anniversary and its release, is baffling. And Tennant is just an example because the Vortex article was about his release; this is the same attitude across the whole series, slotting people in as and when they’re available, to hell with anything else like story or integrity. Ah but equally there was a case of "We better not cause of the 60th we may use Jo then someone from the Beeb apparently saying use David hold off on Jo" Also reading the VORTEX preview for Planetoid 50 it does seem like bracing for criticism. Regards mark687
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Post by sherlock on Aug 17, 2023 9:22:38 GMT
It’s the exact same thing they did with Masterful; crafting a story where 90% of it could be cut without issue just in case someone drops out. So the result is none of it matters! You go straight from Past Lives’ opening to the beginning of Two’s Company pretty much seamlessly, as nothing about the degeneration has been established in-between.
The crossovers have been some of Big Finish’s most pointless. Did anything come of Sarah Jane meeting Kate and Osgood? Not really. Did Five meeting Jenny a second time do anything the first outing didn't? No. Was Harry essential to Two’s Company? No, you could have swapped him with practically anyone in UNIT who has ever met the Doctor and just lose the imbecile dialogue. The only one that really worked was dropping Seven into the Time War era, as that wasn’t mishmashing elements together just using an established cast and backdrop and swapping the Doctor involved.
And sure it’s an anniversary product; they’re not exactly known for their depth or having any real story purpose beyond fan service. The Five Doctors and The Light at the End could get away with being nothing but fluff because they’re relatively short experiences. You play them, enjoy for their limited runtime and move on. But fluff can’t sustain 7 hours! The novelty wears off.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 17, 2023 9:27:29 GMT
This whole thread is very interesting. I am enjoying it.. I wonder if any BF staff are reading the play-by-play constructive feedback..
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 9:52:43 GMT
This whole thread is very interesting. I am enjoying it.. I wonder if any BF staff are reading the play-by-play constructive feedback.. I hope so. & I hope they LISTEN this time. For the love of stories? For the love of gimmicks more like.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2023 10:14:42 GMT
This whole thread is very interesting. I am enjoying it.. I wonder if any BF staff are reading the play-by-play constructive feedback.. I hope so. & I hope they LISTEN this time. For the love of stories? For the love of gimmicks more like. Yes they're going to Listen to 99% critic all of their work aren't they Regards mark687
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 10:32:23 GMT
I hope so. & I hope they LISTEN this time. For the love of stories? For the love of gimmicks more like. Yes they're going to Listen to 99% critic all of their work aren't they Regards mark687 99% critic all their work?
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2023 10:33:54 GMT
It’s the exact same thing they did with Masterful; crafting a story where 90% of it could be cut without issue just in case someone drops out. So the result is none of it matters! You go straight from Past Lives’ opening to the beginning of Two’s Company pretty much seamlessly, as nothing about the degeneration has been established in-between. The crossovers have been some of Big Finish’s most pointless. Did anything come of Sarah Jane meeting Kate and Osgood? Not really. Did Five meeting Jenny a second time do anything the first outing didn't? No. Was Harry essential to Two’s Company? No, you could have swapped him with practically anyone in UNIT who has ever met the Doctor and just lose the imbecile dialogue. The only one that really worked was dropping Seven into the Time War era, as that wasn’t mishmashing elements together just using an established cast and backdrop and swapping the Doctor involved. And sure it’s an anniversary product; they’re not exactly known for their depth or having any real story purpose beyond fan service. The Five Doctors and The Light at the End could get away with being nothing but fluff because they’re relatively short experiences. You play them, enjoy for their limited runtime and move on. But fluff can’t sustain 7 hours! The novelty wears off.
I Think it can if its in 1 big dose LATE and Masterful are both fluff IMO, but drip feeding it is not proving as effective. Regards mark687
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2023 10:35:39 GMT
Yes they're going to Listen to 99% critic all of their work aren't they Regards mark687 99% critic all their work? Negative Critic I should say Regards mark687
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2023 10:40:25 GMT
99% critic all their work? Negative Critic I should say Regards mark687 OK. They need to listen. Even though Briggs is too thin skinned sadly.
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