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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 2:01:45 GMT
Okay ..here's my two cents on the series 12 finale....I think the Doctor's mysterious people deposited the Doctor in our universe to eventually become a sort of 'galactic policeman.'....i also believe they are somehow controlling the tardis to take the Doctor to where the trouble is....remember the Matt Smith episode where the Doctor asks the tardis ' why do you never take me where I want to go?' & the tardis says ' I take you where you NEED to go,'.....also think the doctor's people ( whoever they may be ) are somehow responsible for the shape of his ships always being a police box...which would explain why Doctor Ruth's tardis was also a police box....this fits perfectly with the history of the show ..after all, it's been staring us in the face since the very first episode in 1963....clearly advertised on the Doctor's ship....POLICE PUBLIC CALL BOX....FREE FOR USE OF PUBLIC..... ADVICE & ASSISTANCE OBTAINABLE IMMEDIATELY.....OFFICER AND CARS RESPOND TO ALL CALLS......The Doctor is the officer & the Tardis is the police car that takes him where he/ she needs to be....seeing the whole 'timeless child' story in the disguised form of Brendan the policeman also seems to support this theory. What do you think? It's certainly interesting, but it does bring into question why the TARDIS's chameleon circuit was active before An Unearthly Child. The Doctor was "disturbed" it hadn't changed, and Susan rattles off a couple of other things the ship had disguised itself as in the past. Thinking about it though, there's always been a strong suggestion that it was Ian and Barbara's influence that led the Doctor to becoming the person they are today (the intent to kill the wounded caveman with a rock being something repeatedly explored in extended media, as it was only Ian's intervention that stopped him from going through with it). Maybe it was part of the plan - the Doctor needed that little push to become who he needed to be? Expanding on this, I recently watched the special edition of The Curse of Fenric for the first time in many, many years and heard what the Doctor was saying when he invokes his faith against the Haemovores - a list of his companions, starting with Ace and including Susan, Barbara, Vicki, and Steven. Maybe knowing that the Doctor was ultimately destined to have this rematch with Fenric, the "powers that be" made sure he had been given something to believe in so he could survive the ordeal and defeat Fenric. They gave the Doctor some time to be whoever he wanted pre- An Unearthly Child, then steered him gently in the direction he needed to go for their purposes as the 'galactic policeman', as you put it? If I'm honest though, I'd rather not believe that. It would take away any sense of agency from the Doctor, making them a puppet rather than an individual who chose to do what they do. I won't deny that this has all been some very interesting conjecture, but I think that would destroy any independence of the character. I'm a big fan of the concept that whenever the Doctor's tethered, he always finds a way to give himself a little wriggle room. At the end of World Game, for instance, he decides to return to Gallifrey because he has principles. He's not just an irresponsible meddler and he had a duty to his fallen companion. However, what he tells their relatives will depend ultimately on how much leeway the CIA is willing to offer him. He does their missions, true, but on his terms. Hence, Jamie. It's a tug-of-war between their strictures and his wonts. Why was he was condemned to regeneration? Well, he eventually became unmanageable. Even perhaps escaped with his returned companions from their control at one point. It stopped being amicable and they had to start using methods that made him more and more fallible as an agent. So, in the end, he (more or less) got what he wanted -- freedom from their authoritarian machinations. Just not as himself.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 16, 2020 13:47:14 GMT
Maybe The Doctor came from the Universe before ours, which is why The Old One like beings like Fenric are drawn to them. Because they came from the same place
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 0:43:44 GMT
Roland = The Doctor; across all reality.
They each willingly spend their sole to save reality. One we learned (The Doctor) redeemed the expenditure. The other (Stephen King, The Dark Tower),
{Spoiler} Finds "yes, even salvation" on his last past; finally stands true, as the Doctor did in Day of the Doctor. This has been scratching at the back of my mind for ages. I knew there was an explicit connection somewhere, but I couldn't quite place it until this morning. Reading. In an interesting bit of parallel evolution, the imagery of the Dark Tower from The Five Doctors was inspired in part by Robert Browning's poem: "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came." The title and the final line of the poem originally stem from King Lear, Shakespeare's play about a king's descent into madness. That's some gorgeous literary allusion right there.
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Post by timegirl on Mar 18, 2020 1:23:17 GMT
After the reference to The Toymaker in “Can You Hear Me”, I feel like that might be foreshadowing their long awaited return to the tv series in series 13. I definitely feel like you could do some interesting updates to the Toymaker🤔 I wonder if they might be more tech based these days. I wonder who would play the Toymaker? Would it be the traditional portrayal or could it be reinterpreted? Maybe even a gender flip?🤔
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Post by timegirl on Mar 28, 2020 22:37:44 GMT
It would be interesting to see a conflict between the clockwork druids and the Cybermen🤔 They both have robotic an human components but where the clockwork druids want more human parts, the Cybermen want to be more robotic. I wonder what would happen if the two fractions got into a war based this philosophic divide🤔
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Post by Superium on Apr 16, 2020 4:25:21 GMT
Big Finish didn't redeem the Sixth Doctor. He was fine to begin with and they just simply refined him. It's Five who got redeemed.
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Post by timegirl on Apr 16, 2020 18:27:39 GMT
Does anyone else think there are a lot of parallels between Sixie and Peri and 12 and Clara?
If you think about it the structure of these two Doctor/Companion relationships are very similar🤔 Both Sixie and 12 have very unpredictable and erratic behavior post regeneration, and both Peri and Clara have difficulty at first adjusting to them after missing younger and more agreeable Doctors (5 and 11). Both Sixie and 12 soften over time. Peri and Clara’s exits are similarly tragic and their are parallels in how Sixie and 12 react to these as well.
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 16, 2020 18:49:31 GMT
Does anyone else think there are a lot of parallels between Sixie and Peri and 12 and Clara? If you think about it the structure of these two Doctor/Companion relationships are very similar🤔 Both Sixie and 12 have very unpredictable and erratic behavior post regeneration, and both Peri and Clara have difficulty at first adjusting to them after missing younger and more agreeable Doctors (5 and 11). Both Sixie and 12 soften over time. Peri and Clara’s exits are similarly tragic and their are parallels in how Sixie and 12 react to these as well. Well, 12 did not try to strangle Clara... although it looked as if he was going to abandon her several times.
No, I do not really think the relationships are directly comparable... 6 is very abusive towards Peri and he certainly hides his fondness for her. He does not even excuse his behaviour and basically acts like a bull in a china shop relationship wise. In the Two Doctors, we even see Peri whisper "You a$$hole" behind his back (quite clear if you do some lip reading).
Compared to that, 12 is definitely very fond of Clara, he tries to make amends, he excuses his behaviour, he tries to make friends (even if he is clumsy and uncomfortable) and even, in foresight, called Clara as 11 to ease the pain.
I found 12 likeable, even in an awkward way.
Sixie on TV is just a jerk. I am lucky I listened to some of his Big Finish stories first and that eased me in, before I dared to get his DVDs. His Big Finish stories are great and he is empathetic, heroic and likeable there, after he had been taken down a peg or two. This is helped by Colin being the energetic performer that he is.
However, even I find it hard to find Sixie likeable on TV. He has his moments, like in the Two Doctors and of course in Peri's last story, but he certainly does not inspire the same feelings I have towards early 12- 12 I can understand because I am socially awkward myself.
12 you want to hug, even if he tries to run from you. Sixie on TV- you do NOT want to hug. And if you did, he would not hesitate to either emotionally or even physically hurt you (as in giving you a smack), especially in the first two series.
However, they both have in common that in the end, they both develop into real cuddlebugs.
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Post by timegirl on Apr 16, 2020 18:57:24 GMT
Does anyone else think there are a lot of parallels between Sixie and Peri and 12 and Clara? If you think about it the structure of these two Doctor/Companion relationships are very similar🤔 Both Sixie and 12 have very unpredictable and erratic behavior post regeneration, and both Peri and Clara have difficulty at first adjusting to them after missing younger and more agreeable Doctors (5 and 11). Both Sixie and 12 soften over time. Peri and Clara’s exits are similarly tragic and their are parallels in how Sixie and 12 react to these as well. Well, 12 did not try to strangle Clara... although it looked as if he was going to abandon her several times.
No, I do not really think the relationships are directly comparable... 6 is very abusive towards Peri and he certainly hides his fondness for her. He does not even excuse his behaviour and basically acts like a bull in a china shop relationship wise. In the Two Doctors, we even see Peri whisper "You a$$hole" behind his back (quite clear if you do some lip reading).
Compared to that, 12 is definitely very fond of Clara, he tries to make amends, he excuses his behaviour, he tries to make friends (even if he is clumsy and uncomfortable) and even, in foresight, called Clara as 11 to ease the pain.
I found 12 likeable, even in an awkward way.
Sixie on TV is just a jerk. I am lucky I listened to some of his Big Finish stories first and that eased me in, before I dared to get his DVDs. His Big Finish stories are great and he is empathetic, heroic and likeable there, after he had been taken down a peg or two. This is helped by Colin being the energetic performer that he is.
However, even I find it hard to find Sixie likeable on TV. He has his moments, like in the Two Doctors and of course in Peri's last story, but he certainly does not inspire the same feelings I have towards early 12- 12 I can understand because I am socially awkward myself.
12 you want to hug, even if he tries to run from you. Sixie on TV- you do NOT want to hug. And if you did, he would not hesitate to either emotionally or even physically hurt you (as in giving you a smack), especially in the first two series.
However, they both have in common that in the end, they both develop into real cuddlebugs. I want to hug 12 as well 🤗 He’s definitely one of the most sympathetic Doctors 🤔😊
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Post by timegirl on Apr 17, 2020 19:43:23 GMT
My theories and opinions: I think it would be a really interesting twist if the Doctor had a companion who was revealed to be either an earlier or later incarnation of themselves or an incarnation of the Master they didn’t know about.
I like the Timeless Child revelation because now we can have all kinds of different incarnations of the Doctor and potentially interesting guest stars playing different past incarnations we didn’t know about 😀
I thoroughly and unabashedly enjoy the romantic side of new Who, and support both 9/10 and Rose and 11/12 and Clara as couples.
I have no problem with the Doctor being half human, I think it adds interesting background for them and makes sense why they love humans so much.
I have a crazy theory that the Doctor and the Master were originally one being who were split into two, since they are so interconnected and they are two haves of the same coin.
I think Rupert Grint would be an amazing choice for the first ginger Doctor. He’s very quirky (come on he owns his own ice cream truck just for fun!) and I think he could use a comeback.
I think they should bring back Romana to the tv series in a new incarnation.
I really want them to bring back the land of fiction to the tv series! Think of the possibilities!
I want big finish stories with surprising alternate versions of incarnations of the Doctors we know and love that subvert or change them in some way temporarily 😉
I think there should be a future story arch where the Master regenerates into an identical body to the Doctor in order to mess with their head.
Musical episodes please!
There should be an episode of the tv series where everyone slowly gets turned into cartoons and it becomes animated and 13 has to deal with everyone suddenly behaving with cartoon logic.
There needs to be an episode set in York! Come on we have a Yorkshire Doctor (13) and York is covered in history! Everything from Romans, Vikings, Victorian candy makers, to Dick Turpin!
Clara is an underrated and interesting companion! Series 8 is brilliant and underrated, I love the character development that happens for 12 and Clara. Hell Bent is not bad and actually has a compelling and heartbreaking end to 12 and Clara’s relationship. When the Curator mentioned that the Doctor would revisit a few favorite faces, the Doctor most definitely revisits 12’s face and spent Clara’s last few years with her before she had to return to her death. 12 is the best Doctor and has the best character development and story arch!😃
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 11:10:03 GMT
Does anyone else think there are a lot of parallels between Sixie and Peri and 12 and Clara? If you think about it the structure of these two Doctor/Companion relationships are very similar🤔 Both Sixie and 12 have very unpredictable and erratic behavior post regeneration, and both Peri and Clara have difficulty at first adjusting to them after missing younger and more agreeable Doctors (5 and 11). Both Sixie and 12 soften over time. Peri and Clara’s exits are similarly tragic and their are parallels in how Sixie and 12 react to these as well. They're both pretty rough teams to start off with. The Sixth Doctor emerged from his regeneration initially quite disturbed. He sacrificed his life for Peri and that sacrifice had lasting consequences, it actually distorted his Change. The Twelfth Doctor, by comparison, was no more erratic than the Fourth or Eleventh Doctors during their first hours, but his companion was being used against him. Both women don't know how to handle the situation either. Clara receives a form of wisdom from Vastra, but Peri has nothing to go on outside of the Sixth Doctor himself. As for how both teams treat one another... Well, for the first: there's that confrontation in Redfern Dell for The Mark of the Rani, when Peri's being guided back through the minefield and slips: It's one of those friendships where they're very comfortable trading barbs with one another, but if you threatened harm to either of them, the other would be there to defend them in a flash. Through thick and thin, book or audio, they'll be there. It leans heavily on their banter. Helped in no small part by Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant's chemistry. Whatever's said is rarely intended personally and, if it is, they hold each other to account. It's probably one of the more noticeably developed Doctor/companion teams as it all eventually comes to a head in The Reaping. That's the fulcrum point that irrevocably changes their friendship from what we see in Season 22 (and adjacent stories) to the gentler dynamic of The Mysterious Planet and similar in Season 23. Theirs is a friendship defined by how much it improves and how violently that's ultimately snatched away. The Twelfth Doctor and Clara, by comparison, have a much more subtle downward arc. Interesting for its own reasons. It's not a sudden jolt like Trial was (a metaphor for the hiatus?), their loss is defined by the cracks that already exist. The two of them repeatedly try to put distance between one another, at first. Clara makes the decision to leave in Deep Breath, Kill the Moon and Death in Heaven. Twelve does actually abandon her in Kill the Moon to prove a point, albeit in a way that she doesn't appreciate, as it isn't properly articulated. The whole experience of travel is discussed in the form of addiction in Mummy on the Orient Express. The Doctor needs a companion and Clara needs to travel. Enough that she goes behind her partner's back and lies to him about essentially seeing another man. Once Danny dies, she keeps searching out increasingly dangerous situations until eventually she finds one she can't walk away from; viz. Face the Raven. Looking specifically at their exits, the tragedy of the two companions is that they are both used as pawns in Time Lords' schemes. In Peri's case, she is there to systematically break down the Doctor's credibility at the trial. The one that trusts him the most, who places her life in his hands, becomes a victim of the Mentors. If it hadn't been Thoros Beta, it would't have looked quite so damning, yet despite the overwhelming evidence, it's not clear that Peri ever completely loses faith in the Doctor. Killing her off was simply a means of silencing witnesses. Something as cold and callous as that. And, worse, his own people made him watch. Clara's case, by comparison, is a lot more immediate than Peri's. Her use was planned from the first day she joined the Eleventh Doctor. Not to erode his credibility, but his surety, the choices he makes: It's clear from the discussion in Dark Water that Twelve doesn't blame her for it, but it casts a significant shadow over their time together. Both before and after Missy. Things improve outside of Missy's influence, but Clara is still keeping secrets. This time from the Doctor, not Danny. She's not coping and he's noticed but he can't find a way to address it until it's too late. In a way, she's a perfect mirror for Twelve at that time. She can't quite express herself properly either. It costs her life and the Twelfth Doctor's memories when he goes to retrieve her.
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Post by timegirl on Apr 19, 2020 0:41:33 GMT
Does anyone else think there are a lot of parallels between Sixie and Peri and 12 and Clara? If you think about it the structure of these two Doctor/Companion relationships are very similar🤔 Both Sixie and 12 have very unpredictable and erratic behavior post regeneration, and both Peri and Clara have difficulty at first adjusting to them after missing younger and more agreeable Doctors (5 and 11). Both Sixie and 12 soften over time. Peri and Clara’s exits are similarly tragic and their are parallels in how Sixie and 12 react to these as well. They're both pretty rough teams to start off with. The Sixth Doctor emerged from his regeneration initially quite disturbed. He sacrificed his life for Peri and that sacrifice had lasting consequences, it actually distorted his Change. The Twelfth Doctor, by comparison, was no more erratic than the Fourth or Eleventh Doctors during their first hours, but his companion was being used against him. Both women don't know how to handle the situation either. Clara receives a form of wisdom from Vastra, but Peri has nothing to go on outside of the Sixth Doctor himself. As for how both teams treat one another... Well, for the first: there's that confrontation in Redfern Dell for The Mark of the Rani, when Peri's being guided back through the minefield and slips: It's one of those friendships where they're very comfortable trading barbs with one another, but if you threatened harm to either of them, the other would be there to defend them in a flash. Through thick and thin, book or audio, they'll be there. It leans heavily on their banter. Helped in no small part by Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant's chemistry. Whatever's said is rarely intended personally and, if it is, they hold each other to account. It's probably one of the more noticeably developed Doctor/companion teams as it all eventually comes to a head in The Reaping. That's the fulcrum point that irrevocably changes their friendship from what we see in Season 22 (and adjacent stories) to the gentler dynamic of The Mysterious Planet and similar in Season 23. Theirs is a friendship defined by how much it improves and how violently that's ultimately snatched away. The Twelfth Doctor and Clara, by comparison, have a much more subtle downward arc. Interesting for its own reasons. It's not a sudden jolt like Trial was (a metaphor for the hiatus?), their loss is defined by the cracks that already exist. The two of them repeatedly try to put distance between one another, at first. Clara makes the decision to leave in Deep Breath, Kill the Moon and Death in Heaven. Twelve does actually abandon her in Kill the Moon to prove a point, albeit in a way that she doesn't appreciate, as it isn't properly articulated. The whole experience of travel is discussed in the form of addiction in Mummy on the Orient Express. The Doctor needs a companion and Clara needs to travel. Enough that she goes behind her partner's back and lies to him about essentially seeing another man. Once Danny dies, she keeps searching out increasingly dangerous situations until eventually she finds one she can't walk away from; viz. Face the Raven. Looking specifically at their exits, the tragedy of the two companions is that they are both used as pawns in Time Lords' schemes. In Peri's case, she is there to systematically break down the Doctor's credibility at the trial. The one that trusts him the most, who places her life in his hands, becomes a victim of the Mentors. If it hadn't been Thoros Beta, it would't have looked quite so damning, yet despite the overwhelming evidence, it's not clear that Peri ever completely loses faith in the Doctor. Killing her off was simply a means of silencing witnesses. Something as cold and callous as that. And, worse, his own people made him watch. Clara's case, by comparison, is a lot more immediate than Peri's. Her use was planned from the first day she joined the Eleventh Doctor. Not to erode his credibility, but his surety, the choices he makes: It's clear from the discussion in Dark Water that Twelve doesn't blame her for it, but it casts a significant shadow over their time together. Both before and after Missy. Things improve outside of Missy's influence, but Clara is still keeping secrets. This time from the Doctor, not Danny. She's not coping and he's noticed but he can't find a way to address it until it's too late. In a way, she's a perfect mirror for Twelve at that time. She can't quite express herself properly either. It costs her life and the Twelfth Doctor's memories when he goes to retrieve her. I would be curious to hear a big finish cross over of 6 and Peri and 12 and Clara, maybe if they met early in each other’s runs and Peri and Clara could discuss the rough starts they have had with their Doctors🤔
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Post by timegirl on Apr 22, 2020 23:59:20 GMT
More opinions/ theories Donna Noble will eventually get her memory back and reunite with the the Doctor for a season and then get her own tv spin-off called The Doctor Donna😊
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The Doctor will regenerate into Donna’s form at some point out of guilt for mind wiping her!
It would be interesting if each of the Doctors had alter egos that changed or subverted them and their personalities 🤔
I wonder how they would each change physically and mentally 🤔
12’s insults about Clara’s looks during series 8 was him trying to get back at her for her very vocally negative initial reaction to his grey hair and wrinkles after he regenerated from 11 to 12. It may not be exactly right but he’s trying to make her understand what it’s like to be given such a hard time about their looks.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 23, 2020 15:23:18 GMT
Edit: HAH! Somehow I accidentally put a post about what books I have read lately in here....
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Post by timegirl on Apr 24, 2020 2:03:51 GMT
Theory Time!😀 Thinking about human nature and fugitive of the judoon🤔
I wonder what each of the Doctors human identities would be if they were under the chameleon arch:
-three would be a secret agent - four probably still be a bohemian eccentric, maybe some sort of artist or performer -5 would be a cricket player - 6 would be an actor perhaps preforming Gilbert and Sullivan and Shakespeare -7 (yes I know he’s the Doctor in human nature novel) I could also see him being a politician -8 something sensitive like a poet -11 children’s show entertainer -12 rockstar (obviously😉) or still a university professor - 13 eccentric inventor or primary school teacher
Not sure about 1,2, or 9’s human identities 🤔
- in another scenario I could see 10’s human identity being some kind of tv presenter known for his good looks and witty banter
Side note: I am slightly obsessed with the concept of the Doctors transformed: either making them human or giving them alter egos, even changing small things like their age🤔
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 9:21:15 GMT
Theory Time!😀 Thinking about human nature and fugitive of the judoon🤔 I wonder what each of the Doctors human identities would be if they were under the chameleon arch: -three would be a secret agent - four probably still be a bohemian eccentric, maybe some sort of artist or performer -5 would be a cricket player - 6 would be an actor perhaps preforming Gilbert and Sullivan and Shakespeare -7 (yes I know he’s the Doctor in human nature novel) I could also see him being a politician -8 something sensitive like a poet -11 children’s show entertainer -12 rockstar (obviously😉) or still a university professor - 13 eccentric inventor or primary school teacher Not sure about 1,2, or 9’s human identities 🤔
- in another scenario I could see 10’s human identity being some kind of tv presenter known for his good looks and witty banter Side note: I am slightly obsessed with the concept of the Doctors transformed: either making them human or giving them alter egos, even changing small things like their age🤔 Windmill slam the First Doctor as an astronomer at a radio telescope. Somewhere high up in the mountains. Linked perhaps to civilisation by one of the poorest maintained roads in human history. People always go to him, usually cross-country, expecting that he'll want something in return, but he only ever asks what you'll do with his knowledge once you have it. You want to see some of the most fascinating phenomena beyond Earth, you go to him. The Second Doctor's a lot trickier. Maybe the captain of an old steamboat? A thundrous old vessel with its twin waterwheels. More like the Thunderchild from The War of the Worlds than the African Queen. Something's liable to explode in the boiler before the journey's out, but that's all part of the experience. At times, the almost rhythmic whistling from the pipes seems to remind him of something, but either way, there's never been a sinking yet. I think Nine would likely be a social worker. A champion of those "wrong-'un" kids that everyone else seems to have given up on. It's difficult to tell, but there's every probability he might have been one himself long ago.
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Post by timegirl on Apr 24, 2020 11:26:23 GMT
Theory Time!😀 Thinking about human nature and fugitive of the judoon🤔 I wonder what each of the Doctors human identities would be if they were under the chameleon arch: -three would be a secret agent - four probably still be a bohemian eccentric, maybe some sort of artist or performer -5 would be a cricket player - 6 would be an actor perhaps preforming Gilbert and Sullivan and Shakespeare -7 (yes I know he’s the Doctor in human nature novel) I could also see him being a politician -8 something sensitive like a poet -11 children’s show entertainer -12 rockstar (obviously😉) or still a university professor - 13 eccentric inventor or primary school teacher Not sure about 1,2, or 9’s human identities 🤔
- in another scenario I could see 10’s human identity being some kind of tv presenter known for his good looks and witty banter Side note: I am slightly obsessed with the concept of the Doctors transformed: either making them human or giving them alter egos, even changing small things like their age🤔 Windmill slam the First Doctor as an astronomer at a radio telescope. Somewhere high up in the mountains. Linked perhaps to civilisation by one of the poorest maintained roads in human history. People always go to him, usually cross-country, expecting that he'll want something in return, but he only ever asks what you'll do with his knowledge once you have it. You want to see some of the most fascinating phenomena beyond Earth, you go to him. The Second Doctor's a lot trickier. Maybe the captain of an old steamboat? A thundrous old vessel with its twin waterwheels. More like the Thunderchild from The War of the Worlds than the African Queen. Something's liable to explode in the boiler before the journey's out, but that's all part of the experience. At times, the almost rhythmic whistling from the pipes seems to remind him of something, but either way, there's never been a sinking yet. I think Nine would likely be a social worker. A champion of those "wrong-'un" kids that everyone else seems to have given up on. It's difficult to tell, but there's every probability he might have been one himself long ago. I like those ideas!😀
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Post by timegirl on Apr 24, 2020 15:36:27 GMT
I love human nature/family of blood but there are two major sticking points that always bother me:
1. 10’s treatment of Martha! As much as I love 10 he is less than fair to her most of the time, but picking a time period for them to hide where she would be mistreated because of her race and gender was a new low. If they had to hide in the past couldn’t he have at least thought to pick say the 1980s or maybe hide them in the future instead 🤔
2. It never made sense to me why they kept the plot point about 10 not factoring in that he might fall in love while he’s a human, when 10 falls in love with more people than any other Doctor. This plot point makes perfect sense with 7 who I know was the Doctor in question in the novel, who is probably one of the least likely Doctors to fall in love normally🤔
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Post by polly on Apr 24, 2020 18:07:08 GMT
Romana tried to assassinate K9 in the Leisure Hive because she got fed up with him going on about swimming. The evidence: - Romana throws the beach ball into the water and tells K9 to go fetch. - K9 goes to fetch - Romana then reacts in horror, screaming at him to stop. - K9 doesn't listen/it's too late and explodes because he touched a few millimeters of sea water. Now, why would Romana scream at him to stop doing what she told him to do in a situation she herself just caused not five seconds ago? To make herself appear innocent? Immediate regret that she acted upon a grouchy impulse? Oh, sure, she blames Four for not setting his "sea water defenses" properly, but A) that's absurd, B) Four is half asleep and probably not listening, and C) he's an absent minded guy and she might be trying to gaslight him into taking the blame. For all we know, it could even have been pre-meditated and she packed his casing with explosives tied to a moisture sensor, primed to go off the minute K9 touched water. Conclusion: Romana is an attempted tin-dog murderer wracked with guilt. Not a serious theory, it's just that sequence is so stupid and hilarious I don't know what else to make of it.
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 24, 2020 18:23:42 GMT
Theory Time!😀 Thinking about human nature and fugitive of the judoon🤔 I wonder what each of the Doctors human identities would be if they were under the chameleon arch: -three would be a secret agent - four probably still be a bohemian eccentric, maybe some sort of artist or performer -5 would be a cricket player - 6 would be an actor perhaps preforming Gilbert and Sullivan and Shakespeare -7 (yes I know he’s the Doctor in human nature novel) I could also see him being a politician -8 something sensitive like a poet -11 children’s show entertainer -12 rockstar (obviously😉) or still a university professor - 13 eccentric inventor or primary school teacher Not sure about 1,2, or 9’s human identities 🤔 - in another scenario I could see 10’s human identity being some kind of tv presenter known for his good looks and witty banter Side note: I am slightly obsessed with the concept of the Doctors transformed: either making them human or giving them alter egos, even changing small things like their age🤔 Good ideas. But honestly, I think Sixie would be a Talkshow host. Or slightly dodgy and very loud lawyer. Or failing that, a colourful Wrestler with a ridiculous mask and stage name.
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