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Post by sherlock on Aug 19, 2020 8:41:40 GMT
Shows where my brain was at, I initially read that as Wings (with a capital) and got an image of the Twelfth Doctor singing "Live and Let Die". I don't recall a specific occurrence either... The Sixth Doctor has been wing-adjacent, so to speak, to Peri's transformation in State of Change. She takes to it well. Extremely well. She learns how to fly. After the initial shock and subsequent test flight, she very nearly considers it one of the best things to have happened to her, but the Doctor warns her about becoming too attached to the idea. Their respective metamorphoses are temporary, he can't guarantee anything permanent, and if Peri wholeheartedly embraces the more extravagant aspects of hers, she may return to her own human form with a sense of something she can never recover being human. "There may be... complications," is how he tentatively puts it. It's a nice conversation. The Doctor was also wing-adjacent in DWM comic Supernature, where Amy mutates into a human/butterfly hybrid, complete with wings. It doesn’t go quite as deep as that conversation. The Doctor does briefly mutate himself into an insect hybrid, acquiring a third arm in the process.
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Post by number13 on Aug 19, 2020 10:39:19 GMT
Shows where my brain was at, I initially read that as Wings (with a capital) and got an image of the Twelfth Doctor singing "Live and Let Die". I don't recall a specific occurrence either... The Sixth Doctor has been wing-adjacent, so to speak, to Peri's transformation in State of Change. She takes to it well. Extremely well. She learns how to fly. After the initial shock and subsequent test flight, she very nearly considers it one of the best things to have happened to her, but the Doctor warns her about becoming too attached to the idea. Their respective metamorphoses are temporary, he can't guarantee anything permanent, and if Peri wholeheartedly embraces the more extravagant aspects of hers, she may return to her own human form with a sense of something she can never recover being human. "There may be... complications," is how he tentatively puts it. It's a nice conversation. Surely after so many regenerations given to save others, it would be "Die and Let Live"?
The Doctor certainly can levitate, if the conditions are right. He does it in 'Castrovalva' but only with the help of the Zero Room/Cabinet to block off external forces - maybe too distracting otherwise? And it take a lot of concentration - when he falls asleep, he lands.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 11:29:01 GMT
Shows where my brain was at, I initially read that as Wings (with a capital) and got an image of the Twelfth Doctor singing "Live and Let Die". I don't recall a specific occurrence either... The Sixth Doctor has been wing-adjacent, so to speak, to Peri's transformation in State of Change. She takes to it well. Extremely well. She learns how to fly. After the initial shock and subsequent test flight, she very nearly considers it one of the best things to have happened to her, but the Doctor warns her about becoming too attached to the idea. Their respective metamorphoses are temporary, he can't guarantee anything permanent, and if Peri wholeheartedly embraces the more extravagant aspects of hers, she may return to her own human form with a sense of something she can never recover being human. "There may be... complications," is how he tentatively puts it. It's a nice conversation. The Doctor was also wing-adjacent in DWM comic Supernature, where Amy mutates into a human/butterfly hybrid, complete with wings. It doesn’t go quite as deep as that conversation. The Doctor does briefly mutate himself into an insect hybrid, acquiring a third arm in the process. Oh, you're right there! I'd completely forgotten about that one. It's funny, the Doctor often comes close to transformation. Possession by the "spirit" of the Cheetah People, the Wildness that the loups-garoux can release inside anyone, the Primord infection from the Earth's ichor, and so on. Rarely, though, do we come across something like the werelox where the Doctor's physiology is changed beyond his own control into something radically alien even to him. It's rather Kafkaesque. In the early stages of Lucifer Rising being commissioned, Andy Lane and Jim Mortimore apparently submitted a possible premise wherein the Seventh Doctor and Ace would wake up in the bodies of giant lobsters. Bodyshock, I think was what it was going to be called, but it was rejected for being just a bit too out there at the time (nowadays, I'm not so sure...). Shows where my brain was at, I initially read that as Wings (with a capital) and got an image of the Twelfth Doctor singing "Live and Let Die". I don't recall a specific occurrence either... The Sixth Doctor has been wing-adjacent, so to speak, to Peri's transformation in State of Change. She takes to it well. Extremely well. She learns how to fly. After the initial shock and subsequent test flight, she very nearly considers it one of the best things to have happened to her, but the Doctor warns her about becoming too attached to the idea. Their respective metamorphoses are temporary, he can't guarantee anything permanent, and if Peri wholeheartedly embraces the more extravagant aspects of hers, she may return to her own human form with a sense of something she can never recover being human. "There may be... complications," is how he tentatively puts it. It's a nice conversation. Surely after so many regenerations given to save others, it would be "Die and Let Live"? The Doctor certainly can levitate, if the conditions are right. He does it in 'Castrovalva' but only with the help of the Zero Room/Cabinet to block off external forces - maybe too distracting otherwise? And it take a lot of concentration - when he falls asleep, he lands.
It'd make for a nice motto on a coat of arms, wouldn't it? Mori et pati vive. Interestingly, the Doctor speculates that Peri can fly in State of Change not solely because of her wings, but also through some rudimentary telekinesis. She believes she can fly, so her brain -- affected by the unusual environment of the titular city-state -- makes the intuitive leap for her. Almost like Wendy in Peter Pan. Charley can hover in the Zero Room as well during Patient Zero, so there's definitely an implication there that maybe the universe is "too noisy" typically to focus on such things. It's a latent ability (most prominently, but not exclusively, in humans). Something that isn't usually strong enough to signal the brain, human or Time Lord, into using it without some kind of external booster (like Susan's own telepathy being extended beyond her grandfather to the Sensorites, with their help).
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Post by timegirl on Aug 19, 2020 14:35:27 GMT
I kind of want the “Curse of the fatal Death Doctors” to be canonized as timeless Doctors. I think it would be fun if in the 60th we had a surprise where our 9 through 13 teamed up with “Curse” 9 through 13. There needs to be more dances and balls in Who. Think about it, they are very good places for drama and climaxes to happen! I love Human Nature/Family of Blood but sometimes I am disappointed that John Smith doesn’t feel distinct enough 10. I mean there is a bit of a personality difference there but I think it would have been interesting if it felt even more jarring between the two. This kind of was more of a thing with Ruth and her true identity in “Fugitive”, they felt more distinct from each other. This is going to sound strange but I was also particularly disappointed in “Human Nature/ Family of Blood” that there wasn’t more of a physical change between 10 and John Smith. The way they make 10’ transformation into a human with the chameleon circuit look so dramatic but then he still looks the same. I think it would have been interesting if he at least carried himself differently and had different hair or something. I would love to have the other Doctors human alter egos explored, but I would like it to feel like even more of change from their Doctor persona both physically and mentally. 12 and Clara are a better and more interesting couple than Danny and Clara. I like Danny as a character just not with Clara. I have talked about this before but there is a real beauty and the beast dynamic to 12 and Clara’s relationship that I find fascinating. Never going to change my mind on this! 😉Even Peter said that they have a romantic relationship: youtu.be/K7i62ERas2s I hope they explains on this more in big finish one day😊 I love the fact that the Doctor(particularly the 12) is a neuodiverse and realistically awkward hero! I think it’s time for the Doctor to have another pet again! For some reason I want the Doctor the Doctor’s pet to have tentacles 🐙 ... and fur just for some confusion 😁 It would need to be carefully handled and cast but I would be curious to have a future “teenaged” incarnation of the Doctor. This could be an interesting dynamic especially if they acted far more mature, and had either actually teenaged companions or if all their companions were middle aged and older. They could do a whole series based around a school either Cole Hill School or a Boarding School. They could even have a teenaged Master as a school rival to the Doctor. It would need to be balanced though so it didn’t fall to much into the trappings of teen drama though. I really want Iris and Panda to crossover into the tv series, perhaps in a Christmas special. I don’t think they would need to much of an explanation either for those who are not familiar with them because they simply are. Headcannon: 6,9, 12 and RuthDoctor would all be friends.
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Post by iainmclaughlin on Aug 26, 2020 15:22:08 GMT
Unpopular opinion... I think River Song should have been a one and done character, and not come back after that one Tennant story in the Library. I think her repeated returns made her less interesting and took the show into soapier waters that I didn't love. I'm not a huge fan of the character, but I did like her in that first two parter, and I'd like her to have remained an enigma. I recognise that I am in the minority here and if you give me a moment to put on a tin hat and build sand bags around the door, feel free to come out slugging.
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Post by timegirl on Aug 26, 2020 18:11:40 GMT
Unpopular opinion... I think River Song should have been a one and done character, and not come back after that one Tennant story in the Library. I think her repeated returns made her less interesting and took the show into soapier waters that I didn't love. I'm not a huge fan of the character, but I did like her in that first two parter, and I'd like her to have remained an enigma. I recognise that I am in the minority here and if you give me a moment to put on a tin hat and build sand bags around the door, feel free to come out slugging. While I enjoy some of her later appearances, I too have a similar frustration with River Song. Aspects of her character I really enjoy, such as her mysterious and slightly cheeky fem fatale side, but I think she can be a bit much sometimes. It’s hard to put my finger on it, I really enjoy Alex Kingston’s performance in small doses, but I think her character is a bit all consuming of certain storylines to the point where she overtakes them and overshadows other characters. On a side note: This is kind of a related issue I have with Husbands of River Song, while it is an ultimately very good episode with good chemistry between 12 and River, it really bothers and frustrates me that it comes directly after Hell Bent. I feel like 12 and Clara’s relationship was special and meaningful enough that it deserves some space after their tragic goodbyes before 12 is reunited with River. I am probably in the minority here, but it makes me sad that 12 and Clara didn’t have something like Delirium like 12 and River. Maybe not 24 years but I wish they had their romantic subtext explored as much as 12 and River. While I like the Doctor with River okay, I think the Doctor and Clara have an even deeper connection due to the lengths they went for each other. I like this episode but I really wish there were more episodes in between “Hell Bent” and “Husbands”. It just didn’t feel right to me directly after the tragic end to 12 and Clara’s relationship, to go straight into the River show and it kind of made me even more frustrated with River’s character. Again I do like a lot of things about the episode, just not the placement. I am probably the only one who thinks this, but it is a frustration for me.
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Post by timegirl on Aug 31, 2020 17:24:25 GMT
This would most likely need to be done by Big Finish or another area of expanded universe (although I would love to see it on tv as well) but I think it would be really cool if there was a redemptive sequel to Fear Her.There could be an adult version of Chloe Webber who has grown up become a famous artist and remembers and invites the Doctor to an opening of her new big art exhibit. Only it seems history is repeating itself and her art work seems to come to life as well as trap other people who upset Chloe inside it. Chloe could also be a temporary companion to the Doctor, struggling with the fact that her art (the thing she is most passionate about) is hurting others. It could be really terrifying I think if done right, and change people’s perspective on Chloe and her original episode. I never understood the hate for Fear Her, it’s not perfect got really interesting imaginative creepy concept.
Not sure which Doctor I would want to be in it? Maybe a later days 10 or it could be interesting to see adult Chloe with a different new who Doctor🤔
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Post by constonks on Sept 13, 2020 3:18:03 GMT
The Professor Chronotis in Dirk Gently is absolutely the same one as in Shada and both books take place in the DWU.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 13, 2020 23:01:22 GMT
Even though I like Rose Tyler a lot I have very mixed feelings of the bad wolf entity. I think it’s an interesting idea to have it forshadowed across time and space and it’s a bit like a proto-“Impossible Girl” arch. My main issue is that their is no reason for the bad wolf entity to be called what it is, when Rose’s bad wolf form is just some gold glowing and voice augmentation. You would think with a name like bad wolf she would actually take on wolf like qualities or possibly even transform into a werewolf. I feel like RTD just chose the name bad wolf because it sounds cool and bad ass which it does but either they should have picked a different equally badass name for the entity that takes over Rose or really take advantage of the connotations a name like that could have. Perhaps if in addition to the name bad wolf coming up everywhere, Rose could have odd reactions to the moon or something. I just feel like they did not do enough with it to warrant it being called bad wolf.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Sept 14, 2020 0:01:10 GMT
The Unbound Warner Doctor should have stayed in his universe, make the focus of one boxset getting Benny home, get her home but with a mechanism for her to return “with help”.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 18, 2020 19:01:14 GMT
If Jenna Coleman ever does BF I would much rather it be to focused on her and 12 and possibly explore Her echoes than on her time traveling with me/Ashidir. I think that 12 and Clara have one of the deepest and most interesting Doctor/Companion dynamics and there is a lot character exploration that still could be mined from the two them, for instance I would love to see what a further exploration of the themes of veil scene (from Deep Breath) would be like. Also I would like more stories when they are more comfortable with each other around Last Christmas and season 9. I would also adore exploring more of her other echoes, a fascinating concept that wasn’t fully explored on tv! Perhaps Clara and 12 could even meet and spend time with her echoes together. I am not interested in her post Hell Bent travels for the simple reason that I hate the character Me/Ashidir. Maisey Williams did a brilliant job portraying her, but the character itself is far too smug, and self important. I also just wanted so much for 12 and Clara to have a happy ending together at the end of Hell Bent that I resented Me/Ashidir even more. 12 and Clara are soulmates and it just feels wrong for her to be traveling with anyone else. The only way I would enjoy a post Hell Bent Clara continuation is if they give Me/Ashidir a total personality makeover (like they did with Sixie) or if they broke them up quickly and had Clara travel solo the rest of the run.
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 19, 2020 0:26:15 GMT
Black Orchid was not the first historical since The Highlanders - Androids of Tara was.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 22, 2020 21:29:00 GMT
Theory time: The Doctor has their own personal afterlife where past incarnations end up after they regenerate. It’s a lovely village where all the incarnations have their own homes modeled to their personalities and they spend all day doing their their favorite hobbies and spending time together. They can also contact living former companions and their current incarnation for psychic visits and have adventures in the afterlife realm together. They can also fix anything that they were insecure about themselves during their time.
The Doctor can regenerate into past incarnations as a later in life ability and bring them back to life if they choose but only if they concentrate really hard and have the right reason for doing so. The Great Curator is actually a late continuation ( return to 4). The Doctor will also eventually regenerate into other past incarnations including 12 getting a second go and spends his time happily reunited and adventuring with a much more emotionally mature and stable Clara during her last 100 remaining years before she has to return to her death. Those two deserve a happy ending together 😢😊 3, 6 , 8, 9, 10 and RuthDoctor also get a second go!
Sixie has a supernatural connection to cats and can make them do hi bidding!
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 23, 2020 7:13:25 GMT
Theory time: The Doctor has their own personal afterlife where past incarnations end up after they regenerate. It’s a lovely village where all the incarnations have their own homes modeled to their personalities and they spend all day doing their their favorite hobbies and spending time together. They can also contact living former companions and their current incarnation for psychic visits and have adventures in the afterlife realm together. They can also fix anything that they were insecure about themselves during their time. The Doctor can regenerate into past incarnations as a later in life ability and bring them back to life if they choose but only if they concentrate really hard and have the right reason for doing so. The Great Curator is actually a late continuation ( return to 4). The Doctor will also eventually regenerate into other past incarnations including 12 getting a second go and spends his time happily reunited and adventuring with a much more emotionally mature and stable Clara during her last 100 remaining years before she has to return to her death. Those two deserve a happy ending together 😢😊 3, 6 , 8, 9, 10 and RuthDoctor also get a second go! Sixie has a supernatural connection to cats and can make them do hi bidding!We should get a story where the Doctor's ability to communicate with animals comes into in a bigger way. 11 has been shown to be able to speak to cats and horses, but it always was more of a side note or comic relief. It would be great to make this ability a bigger part in a story. But then I am a vet and would say that.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 23, 2020 16:00:01 GMT
Theory time: The Doctor has their own personal afterlife where past incarnations end up after they regenerate. It’s a lovely village where all the incarnations have their own homes modeled to their personalities and they spend all day doing their their favorite hobbies and spending time together. They can also contact living former companions and their current incarnation for psychic visits and have adventures in the afterlife realm together. They can also fix anything that they were insecure about themselves during their time. The Doctor can regenerate into past incarnations as a later in life ability and bring them back to life if they choose but only if they concentrate really hard and have the right reason for doing so. The Great Curator is actually a late continuation ( return to 4). The Doctor will also eventually regenerate into other past incarnations including 12 getting a second go and spends his time happily reunited and adventuring with a much more emotionally mature and stable Clara during her last 100 remaining years before she has to return to her death. Those two deserve a happy ending together 😢😊 3, 6 , 8, 9, 10 and RuthDoctor also get a second go! Sixie has a supernatural connection to cats and can make them do hi bidding!We should get a story where the Doctor's ability to communicate with animals comes into in a bigger way. 11 has been shown to be able to speak to cats and horses, but it always was more of a side note or comic relief. It would be great to make this ability a bigger part in a story. But then I am a vet and would say that.
Definitely! Have I mentioned that I head cannon Dr Doolittle is based on the Doctor?
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Post by timegirl on Sept 27, 2020 15:01:00 GMT
In universe, the original fairytale Beauty and the Beast is based on 12 and Clara’s relationship and just evolved overtime to the story we know now.
As someone who loves their Who with a bit of fantasy and fairytale I feel I should like 11’s era more than I do. There are certain individual episodes and moments I love. But there is just something I can’t quite put my finger on that keeps me from liking it more. I find it exhausting to watch too many episodes in a row from that era. Also, and this is going to sound terrible and I apologize, but I always struggle to care about Amy and Rory’s romance because (and this is just my opinion) the only romances I care about on DW are Doctor/ Companion romance (the two exceptions being Ian and Barbara and Grace and Graham). I don’t know why this is, I love romance on DW but don’t ask me to care about any couple that isn’t Doctor/companion unless you are really going to justify it. Another reason I am iffy on this era is River who I love some aspects of and get very frustrated with other aspects. Her character is little too all consuming sometimes. Another aspect is 11 himself is a little exhausting, I don’t know why but his gimmicks get old for me after a while. I like 11 I do but I don’t gravitate towards him the way I gravitate towards other eras.
Watching Enola Holmes I could see Millie Bobby Brown playing through Doctor in 10-15 years time!
Even though I like 13 (and this is going to sound silly) sometimes I feel bad that I can’t make up more head cannons and theories about her or her era. Other than timeless children and RuthDoctor, 13’s era doesn’t excite my imagination the way other do. I can’t quite put my finger on it but 13’s era doesn’t quite set my brain on fire.
There are still periods with 12 and Clara we didn’t see on the show that have even more development to their relationship.
I thought that 12 and Clara should have encountered some of her echoes as well and I hope that one day if BF gets Peter and Jenna they explore them more.
I really hate it when people criticize 12’s rocker side, lots of incarnations of the Doctor play an instrument and I thought it was good character development to show 12 embracing his creative and artistic side. Plus it’s not some gimmick to show him being down with the kids, it’s a reference to Peter’s real life time in a punk band. In fact when BF gets Capaldi I think they should develop this side of him even more and show him writing songs about his adventures and maybe explore him in the context of being a rockstar not just for comedy but for drama as well. I like Deep Breath better as a post regeneration story better than the Eleventh Hour. While I will admit that Eleventh Hour is smoother structured that Deep Breath, Deep Breath is a much more interesting character piece with fascinating incites into the Doctor’s psych. I do really like the whole opening sequence with young Amy and 11, the rest of Eleventh hour is just a very well done monster of the week runaround. Deep Breath makes me feel things more, it’s got a lot of humor and lots of heartbreak. While Deep Breath is more flawed, it’s scenes and dialogue excites my brain more and I revisit it far more often for this reason.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 27, 2020 16:39:20 GMT
In universe, the original fairytale Beauty and the Beast is based on 12 and Clara’s relationship and just evolved overtime to the story we know now. That's a very rude way to talk about Clara lol
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Post by timegirl on Sept 27, 2020 16:40:32 GMT
In universe, the original fairytale Beauty and the Beast is based on 12 and Clara’s relationship and just evolved overtime to the story we know now. That's a very rude way to talk about Clara lol 😄
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Post by timegirl on Oct 2, 2020 19:22:09 GMT
The early half of the Capaldi era is just as good if not better than the later half, 12 and Clara’s Doctor/ Companion relationship is something truly unique and special and 12 has some amazing character development as well. People just say it’s not as good because they don’t like Clara. I love series 10 as well but I hate when people say 12 didn’t become the Doctor until then. Both halves of 12’s era are brilliant!
Sixie and 12 would have an interesting dynamic if they ever met. In some ways they are very similar in other aspects they could not be more different.
The Doctor Who theme song exists in universe as a ballad about the Doctor.
12 can heal people with his music and has saved people with his guitar playing and singing. He also is an accomplished song writer and has written many songs about past adventures and companions.
They should really use the Doctor’s abilities to talk to animals more often. It’s a fascinating ability that could really have interesting story potential. Imagine if there was a story where the Doctor was marooned in the wildernesses with only animals to communicate with. It would also be interesting if a future incarnation of the Doctor focused on there animal communication abilities. Clara visited 12 more times than just Hell Bent after he lost his memory of her. At one point he chameleon arched himself into a human and she took him on as her “human” companion because he technically wasn’t the Doctor and showed him the universe through human eyes.
I will always love the Doctor but I don’t think there will ever be an incarnation that tops 12 for me, but that’s okay. I am am still curious what the new incarnations are and will be like😊
It would be interesting if there was a story line where somehow the Doctor’s past incarnations back from the dead somehow.
It’s too painful for me to rewatch Twice upon a Time because I can’t take my favorite Doctor regenerating and it feels more like a death than any other regeneration to me.
Twin Dilemma is actually a really interesting post regeneration story, reminiscent of “Deep Breath”, I think if they took out the strangulation scene it would have a much better reputation.
The Doctor has a stronger tolerance to heat and cold than humans.
12 took up the guitar originally as a way to communicate and bond with people without having to worry about saying the wrong thing. Also he wrote songs about a lot of his adventures both in that incarnation and past ones.
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Post by Jeedai on Oct 5, 2020 6:30:47 GMT
So... the Fugitive Doctor's Tardis presents itself as a Police Box. Which almost screams that its also the First through Thirteenth Doctor's Tardis, given that it was in the shape of a Police Box in 2020 Gloucester. And the various Doctors' issues piloting the Tardis have been long-since exposed as the Tardis doing as it pleases. Usually because it wants to take the Doctor where they are needed. What if the Tardis is also doing as it pleases with the chameleon circuit? Trying to guide the Doctors, on a more subtle level? Assuming Fugitive's Tardis and 1-13's Tardis are one in the same, could the Tardis -- in sticking itself into the police Box form -- have been trying to remind the Doctor of who they used to be since the moment the First Doctor landed on Totter's Lane? A fourteen-regeneration-long clue that went sailing over all their heads?
EDIT: Or, having been aware of the Doctor's future the whole time, could the Tardis have been playing a long game and kept itself in police box for so that when the Thirteenth Doctor met the Fugitive, she'd have reason to beleive the truth she would soon to be exposed to?
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