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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2016 17:34:22 GMT
But what about all the people who will be upset when Jack doesn't appear? People have really believed this and it isn't healthy. Moffat should do something about it by getting John Barrowman in an episode of series 10 if he hasn't planned to already. Why should Moffat do anything about it? Because, Brians, Captain Jack should be appearing in the Christmas Special and Moffat may have let a big proportion of the fanbase down. I like Moffat as showrunner and I believe both he and RTD have their good and bad points; one of Moffat's bad points is that he never listens to what people want. Well, we want Captain Jack. The voices for Jack have been made clear.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 26, 2016 17:50:50 GMT
Why should Moffat do anything about it? Because, Brians, Captain Jack should be appearing in the Christmas Special and Moffat may have let a big proportion of the fanbase down. I like Moffat as showrunner and I believe both he and RTD have their good and bad points; one of Moffat's bad points is that he never listens to what people want. Well, we want Captain Jack. The voices for Jack have been made clear. We don't know what we want. If I got everything that I want in Doctor Who, the show would be terrible. If Moffat has a good story that he needs Jack for, then he should bring Jack back, but he shouldn't bring him back just because the fans want him to.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 18:25:07 GMT
Why should Moffat do anything about it? Because, Brians, Captain Jack should be appearing in the Christmas Special and Moffat may have let a big proportion of the fanbase down. I like Moffat as showrunner and I believe both he and RTD have their good and bad points; one of Moffat's bad points is that he never listens to what people want. Well, we want Captain Jack. The voices for Jack have been made clear. Well that's a different argument. Yes, I would love the character to return, but for the right reasons, not because the showrunner felt pressured into doing it. Personally I can't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong, I often am.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2016 18:54:06 GMT
Because, Brians, Captain Jack should be appearing in the Christmas Special and Moffat may have let a big proportion of the fanbase down. I like Moffat as showrunner and I believe both he and RTD have their good and bad points; one of Moffat's bad points is that he never listens to what people want. Well, we want Captain Jack. The voices for Jack have been made clear. We don't know what we want. If I got everything that I want in Doctor Who, the show would be terrible. If Moffat has a good story that he needs Jack for, then he should bring Jack back, but he shouldn't bring him back just because the fans want him to. You don't need a good story for Jack. He can fit into any story.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 26, 2016 20:13:40 GMT
We don't know what we want. If I got everything that I want in Doctor Who, the show would be terrible. If Moffat has a good story that he needs Jack for, then he should bring Jack back, but he shouldn't bring him back just because the fans want him to. You don't need a good story for Jack. He can fit into any story. As awesome as Jack is, that's just not true. I want Jack to come back to, but I don't want Moffat to bring him back just to pander to the fans.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2016 20:38:36 GMT
You don't need a good story for Jack. He can fit into any story. As awesome as Jack is, that's just not true. I want Jack to come back to, but I don't want Moffat to bring him back just to pander to the fans. He's got a vortex manipulator. He can go anywhere the Doctor can. He's immortal. There's a 99.99% chance the Doctor would bump into him anyway because of those reasons.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 26, 2016 20:46:53 GMT
As awesome as Jack is, that's just not true. I want Jack to come back to, but I don't want Moffat to bring him back just to pander to the fans. He's got a vortex manipulator. He can go anywhere the Doctor can. He's immortal. There's a 99.99% chance the Doctor would bump into him anyway because of those reasons. Its easy to find a way for him to show up. What's more difficult is finding a story that is worth bringing him back for.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2016 20:51:10 GMT
He's got a vortex manipulator. He can go anywhere the Doctor can. He's immortal. There's a 99.99% chance the Doctor would bump into him anyway because of those reasons. Its easy to find a way for him to show up. What's more difficult is finding a story that is worth bringing him back for. Any story is worth bringing Captain Jack back for. He is the new series Brigadier.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 26, 2016 20:53:21 GMT
Its easy to find a way for him to show up. What's more difficult is finding a story that is worth bringing him back for. Any story is worth bringing Captain Jack back for. He is the new series Brigadier. Yeah, and there were times when they brought the Brigadier back, and it didn't really seem worth it. Mawdryn Undead springs to mind. It would be doing a disservice to Jack if they brought him back for no reason.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2016 20:54:22 GMT
Any story is worth bringing Captain Jack back for. He is the new series Brigadier. Yeah, and there were times when they brought the Brigadier back, and it didn't really seem worth it. Mawdryn Undead springs to mind. It would be doing a disservice to Jack if they brought him back for no reason. But in Mawdryn Undead they made the Brigadier a Maths teacher for no apparent reason. They're not going to do that to Jack.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 26, 2016 20:58:28 GMT
Yeah, and there were times when they brought the Brigadier back, and it didn't really seem worth it. Mawdryn Undead springs to mind. It would be doing a disservice to Jack if they brought him back for no reason. But in Mawdryn Undead they made the Brigadier a Maths teacher for no apparent reason. They're not going to do that to Jack. They made him a math teacher partially because they meant to bring Chatterton back, and partially because they brought the Brigadier without coming up with a good reason to bring him back. I doubt they'll make Jack a math teacher, but they could do something equally stupid if they bring him back just to pander.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 26, 2016 21:57:14 GMT
But in Mawdryn Undead they made the Brigadier a Maths teacher for no apparent reason. They're not going to do that to Jack. They made him a math teacher partially because they meant to bring Chatterton back, and partially because they brought the Brigadier without coming up with a good reason to bring him back. I doubt they'll make Jack a math teacher, but they could do something equally stupid if they bring him back just to pander. I don't see why they should. Just use a throwaway line about Jack looking for the Doctor or a simple 'fancy seeing you here'.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 26, 2016 23:37:37 GMT
They made him a math teacher partially because they meant to bring Chatterton back, and partially because they brought the Brigadier without coming up with a good reason to bring him back. I doubt they'll make Jack a math teacher, but they could do something equally stupid if they bring him back just to pander. I don't see why they should. Just use a throwaway line about Jack looking for the Doctor or a simple 'fancy seeing you here'. Okay, its easy to write Jack into a story. The Doctor can go to Cardiff to recharge the TARDIS from the rift and run into Jack. However, after they get together, there would need to be a story that couldn't be told without Jack. That is the harder part.
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Post by jasonward on May 26, 2016 23:47:49 GMT
The Doctor could meet Jack just about any place and any time, Jack is after all probably also the Face Of Boe, Jack is also not above a bit of time travel himself, the web they weave across time and space, and knowing they know each other and deal in someways with the same sort of stuff, it would be surprising if they didn't meet again.
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Post by barnabaslives on May 27, 2016 2:12:57 GMT
I agree it's perfectly plausible for Jack to run into The Doctor frequently. I'd love to see Jack return to the show but agreed also that I wouldn't want to see Jack shoehorned into a story just for him to be there. I hope he comes back in a story that does proper justice to an outstanding character.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 5:59:20 GMT
The Doctor could meet Jack just about any place and any time, Jack is after all probably also the Face Of Boe, Jack is also not above a bit of time travel himself, the web they weave across time and space, and knowing they know each other and deal in someways with the same sort of stuff, it would be surprising if they didn't meet again. There's your answer, Moffat can bring back the Face of Boe and sit in the press conference with his innocent face on saying "well, you all wanted Jack back"
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 27, 2016 7:56:53 GMT
I don't see why they should. Just use a throwaway line about Jack looking for the Doctor or a simple 'fancy seeing you here'. Okay, its easy to write Jack into a story. The Doctor can go to Cardiff to recharge the TARDIS from the rift and run into Jack. However, after they get together, there would need to be a story that couldn't be told without Jack. That is the harder part. Could Utopia be told without Jack? The Stolen Earth/Journey's End? Yes to both. Including him did not harm Jack as a character.
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Post by bobod on May 27, 2016 9:29:13 GMT
Any story is worth bringing Captain Jack back for. He is the new series Brigadier. Yeah, and there were times when they brought the Brigadier back, and it didn't really seem worth it. Mawdryn Undead springs to mind. But that's the best time they brought him back!
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Post by SG. on May 27, 2016 11:40:02 GMT
Okay, its easy to write Jack into a story. The Doctor can go to Cardiff to recharge the TARDIS from the rift and run into Jack. However, after they get together, there would need to be a story that couldn't be told without Jack. That is the harder part. Could Utopia be told without Jack? The Stolen Earth/Journey's End? Yes to both. Including him did not harm Jack as a character. I don't think Utopia could be told without Jack. Never mind the scene explaining what the hell happened to him, having him there serves a greater purpose in demonstrating humanity's need for survival (which is basically the point of the entire story until Yana feels like checking the time is suddenly important). As for The Stolen Earth / Journey's End, they brought back EVERYONE, and EVERYONE was entirely useless to the story. Effectively the damage was spread amongst them.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 27, 2016 22:32:21 GMT
Could Utopia be told without Jack? The Stolen Earth/Journey's End? Yes to both. Including him did not harm Jack as a character. I don't think Utopia could be told without Jack. Never mind the scene explaining what the hell happened to him, having him there serves a greater purpose in demonstrating humanity's need for survival (which is basically the point of the entire story until Yana feels like checking the time is suddenly important). Jack never chose to survive though. Rose made that choice for him. And we didn't really NEED to know what happened to him after Parting of the Ways but RTD still brought him back for an explanation anyway. It worked. Besides, it you want to argue narrative reasons for a Jack return then there's two big ones that haven't yet been explored - how Jack becomes the Face of Boe and the missing two years.
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