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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 14, 2016 20:25:20 GMT
I see no problems with either a female Doctor or a black Doctor as long as the actor chosen is the best for the part at that current time. Kate McKinnon could do an amazing job as a female Doctor.
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Post by mrperson on Jul 14, 2016 20:51:56 GMT
Let's just say I'm rather bemused that English persons have a bigger problem with the actors' accents than their sex, and that this rather casts quite a bit of doubt on any criticism by English persons of those who would prefer the Doctor to remain as he has for the last 50 years of TV and 1,200-2,000+ odd years of his in-universe life: male.
I would not reflexively turn the TV off if the Doctor regenerated into a female, but I'd be seriously annoyed if it was done for the reasons I suspect it will be done if done: real-world reasons (1) because they can, (2) to stir up the pot, (3) and possibly, to make a political statement.
I seriously doubt that when Capaldi steps down, they'll conclude that all of the male applicants are complete rubbish and the only good one happens to be a female. I suspect there are plenty of people of both sexes who could pull off the role. I suspect that if the Doctor changes sex, we'll see it under Moffat in the finale or Christmas special next year. I further suspect he won't be doing it for any in-universe reason.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 15, 2016 11:12:15 GMT
I remember a conversation i had with a friend and we were talking about a Regeneration story.
Where at the end of an episode, the Doctor is "Dead" and has been laid on a table in the Tardis by his companions. At the very end of the episode, the Doctors body starts to glow and regenerate and then the episode ends. In the Xmas special or first episodes of the next series, several people would appear claiming to be the Doctor. then at the end of that story the Real Doctor would be revealed and the others would be people either trying to claim his identity for their own means or to carry on his legacy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 12:25:49 GMT
If it's Kelly Brook cast as the Doctor or Margo Robbie I'm fine, if it's not keep the character male.
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Post by CookieMaster on Jul 15, 2016 15:32:09 GMT
I don't really have a problem with the idea. That's all i can say really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 22:54:45 GMT
I remember a conversation i had with a friend and we were talking about a Regeneration story. Where at the end of an episode, the Doctor is "Dead" and has been laid on a table in the Tardis by his companions. At the very end of the episode, the Doctors body starts to glow and regenerate and then the episode ends. In the Xmas special or first episodes of the next series, several people would appear claiming to be the Doctor. then at the end of that story the Real Doctor would be revealed and the others would be people either trying to claim his identity for their own means or to carry on his legacy I do rather enjoy the idea of a regeneration that ends on a cliffhanger. The same sort of thing kind of happened in The Burning with the reader trying to guess which one of these characters is the Doctor, but I'm surprised that the show hasn't attempted it before.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 15, 2016 23:18:47 GMT
I remember a conversation i had with a friend and we were talking about a Regeneration story. Where at the end of an episode, the Doctor is "Dead" and has been laid on a table in the Tardis by his companions. At the very end of the episode, the Doctors body starts to glow and regenerate and then the episode ends. In the Xmas special or first episodes of the next series, several people would appear claiming to be the Doctor. then at the end of that story the Real Doctor would be revealed and the others would be people either trying to claim his identity for their own means or to carry on his legacy I do rather enjoy the idea of a regeneration that ends on a cliffhanger. The same sort of thing kind of happened in The Burning with the reader trying to guess which one of these characters is the Doctor, but I'm surprised that the show hasn't attempted it before. The closest the TV show came was with Tennant. But a proper one, would be fantastic. We also said about the Doctor starting to smile as he regenerates
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 0:06:57 GMT
I do rather enjoy the idea of a regeneration that ends on a cliffhanger. The same sort of thing kind of happened in The Burning with the reader trying to guess which one of these characters is the Doctor, but I'm surprised that the show hasn't attempted it before. The closest the TV show came was with Tennant. But a proper one, would be fantastic. We also said about the Doctor starting to smile as he regenerates And the last thing we see of our new Doctor in his debut story is that exact same smile on a brand new face. This is our Doctor. I'd be all for it if I were a producer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 1:12:06 GMT
I have mixed feelings about this (although dear God, was it intresting to watch the internet do the mental gymnastics in trying to rencoile The Master/Mistress's change of gender and trying to argue from 'canon') - I do think little boys need a hero who doesn't go around hitting things and challenging conventional masculinity and sadly, with the way the world is, that divide may well exist if The Doctor did regenerate into a female incarnation - and I hate saying that: because little girls need their heroes as well. I'm not sure if The Force Awakens or Steven Universe approach would work in this case.
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Post by aztec on Jan 31, 2017 10:52:19 GMT
Bump, so do we think it could happen at last?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 31, 2017 10:55:25 GMT
Bump, so do we think it could happen at last? I think it's definitely going to happen. Chris Chibnall will want to freshen the show up and it has been hinted at the last few series, so now is the perfect time for a female Doctor.
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Post by aztec on Jan 31, 2017 11:08:44 GMT
Bump, so do we think it could happen at last? I think it's definitely going to happen. Chris Chibnall will want to freshen the show up and it has been hinted at the last few series, so now is the perfect time for a female Doctor. Moffat laid the groundwork for it certainly...my opinion hasn't really changed I'm completely open to the idea...assuming they cast the right actress, but I'm worried they'd focus too much on how things had changed/ trying to make a point/ overwrite the Doctor in an attempt to appeal to the naysayers, and end up putting the Doctor on a pedestal, and I'd also lament the loss of a rare male pacifistic hero figure for children. It's certainly a much more realistic possibility then it was 10 year ago...
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Post by sherlock on Jan 31, 2017 11:14:15 GMT
If it's ever gonna happen, now's the time.
Has Chibnall ever given his view on the matter?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 31, 2017 11:21:05 GMT
I think it's definitely going to happen. Chris Chibnall will want to freshen the show up and it has been hinted at the last few series, so now is the perfect time for a female Doctor. Moffat laid the groundwork for it certainly...my opinion hasn't really changed I'm completely open to the idea...assuming they cast the right actress, but I'm worried they'd focus too much on how things had changed/ trying to make a point/ overwrite the Doctor in an attempt to appeal to the naysayers, and end up putting the Doctor on a pedestal, and I'd also lament the loss of a rare male pacifistic hero figure for children. It's certainly a much more realistic possibility then it was 10 year ago... I don't think Chris Chibnall would go for the female empowerment angle though. It wouldn't fit in with his style. As for a male pacifistic hero, I'd say that's easily solvable with a male companion.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jan 31, 2017 18:10:52 GMT
It kind of isn't solvable with a male companion though because a lot of the time the companion needs to be something the Doctor isn't, at least morally.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 31, 2017 18:15:17 GMT
It kind of isn't solvable with a male companion though because a lot of the time the companion needs to be something the Doctor isn't, at least morally. It is if the Doctor becomes a little more reactionary.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jan 31, 2017 18:44:42 GMT
Just listening to the Radio 4 sketch show "John Finnemore's Souvenir Programme". Some of the other cast members pitch material for the show. Carrie Quinlan's got an idea for a spinoff, but it's on television, and without John, and which is identical to 'Doctor Who' except she's playing the role. And the character's name really is 'Doctor Who'.
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Post by aztec on Jan 31, 2017 19:15:47 GMT
I've got a feeling that 13 will be an actress, it just feels like the likely time, and the rumours Dalekbuster posted in the other thread corroborate with other rumours I've read over the last year, New Who is closer to its end than the beginning, even if a female doctor backfires it's sure to get the public talking abou the show...
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 31, 2017 19:24:43 GMT
I said this on the Capaldi thread, but I'm going to tweak and repost it here: Put aside everything and ask yourself this question. This isn't sexist or entitled or demanding, this is a question that Chibnall himself and even a possible actress would/may face: why does the Doctor need to be female? What does a different gender bring to the universe or characterization? What would it bring to the stories, and more importantly, to him? Especially that last one.
And no, you are not allowed a 'why not'. It's lazy, it's a discussion killer and an excuse for you not to think about what you want for the show and its future. Put yourself in Chibnall's shoes: sell it.
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Post by aztec on Jan 31, 2017 19:41:54 GMT
I said this on the Capaldi thread, but I'm going to tweak and repost it here: Put aside everything and ask yourself this question. This isn't sexist or entitled or demanding, this is a question that Chibnall himself and even a possible actress would/may face: why does the Doctor need to be female? What does a different gender bring to the universe or characterization? What would it bring to the stories, and more importantly, to him? Especially that last one. And no, you are not allowed a 'why not'. It's lazy, it's a discussion killer and an excuse for you not to think about what you want for the show and its future. Put yourself in Chibnall's shoes: sell it. Would they have to make a major point about the Doctor being female? The Master seems to have shrugged off a transgender regeneration and carried on like normal, I'd answer 'why not' simply because I'm completely open to it, the Doctor has been male 13 times before but I don't necessarily see anything intrinsically male about his character...the Doctor dosen't need to be female and there are definitely risks about putting an actress/the character on a pedestal with ill judged writing...but on the other hand I don't see why the Doctor should definitely remain male forever more. *Shrugs*
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