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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 23, 2016 10:02:26 GMT
Chance would be a great thing. Maybe she's going to be in Gallifrey? Or but heads with McGann. Or werw going to get "the Ollistra Adventures" Isn't Ollistra already confirmed for the McGann Time War boxset, maybe she got confused and was referring to that if its been recorded already? I know sod all about the McGann Time War stories.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 23, 2016 20:15:39 GMT
I really want to hear Ollistra interact with Rassilon.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 23, 2016 20:51:37 GMT
Maybe if Claire Bloom isn't the Doctor's mum, she's Ollistra?
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 23, 2016 20:58:46 GMT
Maybe if Claire Bloom isn't the Doctor's mum, she's Ollistra? I think Ollistra would have just encouraged him to shoot the Master and Rassilon. Assuming, of course, that she didn't support the final sanction.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 23, 2016 22:31:00 GMT
Funny to think that if the next box set is indeed it we will have gotten as many adventures with the War Doctor as we did with the 9th Doctor. And no, I'm not counting books or comics.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 23, 2016 23:04:59 GMT
Funny to think that if the next box set is indeed it we will have gotten as many adventures with the War Doctor as we did with the 9th Doctor. And no, I'm not counting books or comics. Christopher Eccleston can't let John Hurt have as many Who stories as him. He'd better come to Big Finish right now and record a few boxsets.
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Post by relativetime on Oct 25, 2016 4:57:36 GMT
I was having a pretty difficult time listening to this all in one go, so I'm listening to one story a day now. Today was The Shadow Vortex. This was probably the story I was most interested in when the details for this boxset first came out and as a Doctor Who story, I think it was pretty good. It's in the middle of the road for me - not a let down, but also not a soaring success. That's unfortunately a step down from the previous boxset, which I think fully justified its taking place in the Time War. {Spoiler} The Shadow Vortex feels like it could have taken place with any other Doctor and any time outside of the Time War. It's set on Earth and with a typical "mcguffin-device-of-certain-doom" and the Daleks are out to get it. This is hardly a new low for the Daleks - they're always up to stuff like this.
Of course, my disappointment probably just comes down to overenthusiastic expectations. With all this mythos built around the Time War and with stories like The Neverwhen and Legion of the Lost, I was really hopeful this boxset would kick off with something just as unique.
I did enjoy the performances in this set - the Dalek Time Strategist especially is absolutely chilling - and the characterization for the minor characters was nicely done. Again, this isn't a poor story structurally. It just seems ... odd? for the opener to a box set taking place within one of the most gruesome and impactful parts of the show's mythos.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 25, 2016 8:27:46 GMT
I was having a pretty difficult time listening to this all in one go, so I'm listening to one story a day now. Today was The Shadow Vortex. This was probably the story I was most interested in when the details for this boxset first came out and as a Doctor Who story, I think it was pretty good. It's in the middle of the road for me - not a let down, but also not a soaring success. That's unfortunately a step down from the previous boxset, which I think fully justified its taking place in the Time War. {Spoiler} The Shadow Vortex feels like it could have taken place with any other Doctor and any time outside of the Time War. It's set on Earth and with a typical "mcguffin-device-of-certain-doom" and the Daleks are out to get it. This is hardly a new low for the Daleks - they're always up to stuff like this.
Of course, my disappointment probably just comes down to overenthusiastic expectations. With all this mythos built around the Time War and with stories like The Neverwhen and Legion of the Lost, I was really hopeful this boxset would kick off with something just as unique.
I did enjoy the performances in this set - the Dalek Time Strategist especially is absolutely chilling - and the characterization for the minor characters was nicely done. Again, this isn't a poor story structurally. It just seems ... odd? for the opener to a box set taking place within one of the most gruesome and impactful parts of the show's mythos. In defence of Shadow Vortex {Spoiler} The resolution involved War executing Lara, and dooming her to a fate literally worse than death, he does so with no remorse or hand-wringing or offers of second chances etc.
He goes to stop her, she doesn't stop when asked and he enacts a plan to doom her from the moment she refused to back down.
No other Doctor would have made that choice, or at least none without a lot of self-recrimination and grief. He literally doesn't care, in fact he's more interested in making sure the Stasi officer doesn't forget his humanity.
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Post by bobod on Oct 25, 2016 10:12:57 GMT
This may have been me completely mishearing/misinterpreting her words (I was in a different room and I sometimes have hearing problems with one of my ears), but Jacqueline Pearce was on Pointless (a BBC Quiz show) yesterday(?) and mentioned she had done some audio Who stories with Hurt, If I heard things correctly she said (paraphrased) she had recorded Eight sets of stories with three or four to a boxset, in two different blocks, I might be completely wrong, but I was under the impression the first four boxsets were recorded in one block because of Hurt's illness, so does this confirm they have recorded a Second series of boxsets? I'd assume this episode was recorded weeks or months ago so it might not be accurate, but the episode might be on BBC Iplayer if anyone wants to check. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up and apologies it I was mistaken but I just thought I'd mention it. That Pointless was recorded MONTHS ago. Jacks said - whilst pulling a "argh I don't know" face and shrugging - on being asked how many plays she'd done, something like "Um...Two lots. Eight." It was just a vague 'we've done something like that' type answer. Jacks is vague about most things. Xander Armstrong replied with a jokey "So four plays to a 'lot' then." As I saw it, based on BF tweets, etc, it'd be wrong to talk of one recording BLOCK. They weren't, as I saw it, recorded in one continuous block day after day after day, but they were all commissioned as one big project and then recorded in various sessions.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 26, 2016 15:18:56 GMT
This may have been me completely mishearing/misinterpreting her words (I was in a different room and I sometimes have hearing problems with one of my ears), but Jacqueline Pearce was on Pointless (a BBC Quiz show) yesterday(?) and mentioned she had done some audio Who stories with Hurt, If I heard things correctly she said (paraphrased) she had recorded Eight sets of stories with three or four to a boxset, in two different blocks, I might be completely wrong, but I was under the impression the first four boxsets were recorded in one block because of Hurt's illness, so does this confirm they have recorded a Second series of boxsets? I'd assume this episode was recorded weeks or months ago so it might not be accurate, but the episode might be on BBC Iplayer if anyone wants to check. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up and apologies it I was mistaken but I just thought I'd mention it. That Pointless was recorded MONTHS ago. Jacks said - whilst pulling a "argh I don't know" face and shrugging - on being asked how many plays she'd done, something like "Um...Two lots. Eight." It was just a vague 'we've done something like that' type answer. Jacks is vague about most things. Xander Armstrong replied with a jokey "So four plays to a 'lot' then." As I saw it, based on BF tweets, etc, it'd be wrong to talk of one recording BLOCK. They weren't, as I saw it, recorded in one continuous block day after day after day, but they were all commissioned as one big project and then recorded in various sessions.
I that same episode it was also stated that Aston Villa were is the premiership - so certainly a few months ago! Still it was great to see the audios getting a mention at tea time on Saturday night.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 28, 2016 21:27:51 GMT
I spread the box set out over a week and finished it up today. I would say the previous box set was stronger but this was a consistently good set of three stories. I would agree that the way in which The Doctor dispatched Lara is unique to all the other incarnations. Colder. More ruthless. My favorite story of the set is the final one, The Eye of Harmony.
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Post by Ela on Oct 30, 2016 5:00:09 GMT
Did Nick Briggs voice the time strategist? If so, it is impressive that he can still come up with new Dalek voices. He sounded like a cross between a Dalek and Axos. Nick did all the Dalek voices. In the Behind the Scenes, he talks about making the Time Strategist a lower voiced Dalek with less screaming.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 30, 2016 9:04:47 GMT
Did Nick Briggs voice the time strategist? If so, it is impressive that he can still come up with new Dalek voices. He sounded like a cross between a Dalek and Axos. Nick did all the Dalek voices. In the Behind the Scenes, he talks about making the Time Strategist a lower voiced Dalek with less screaming. To my ear, it was his Holmes (even down to caedance) with a Dalek Flange.
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Post by Ela on Oct 30, 2016 15:21:02 GMT
I didn't notice, but it's possible. I'll take note on my re-listen. I really enjoyed this box set by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 9:18:22 GMT
I liked this set the most of the 3 War Doctor sets so far. The last story was epic without being throwing the kitchen sink at affairs. You could almost feel the decay and misery of the universe after so many lifetimes of The Time War. Giving Josh Bolt as Kalen the lost puppy role allowed The War Doctor's true nature to reveal itself. He really isn't the monster he thinks he is. I know some posters don't like that he's still fundamentally Doctor-ish but I don't honestly think it could, or should, be any other way. Orlistra really couldn't be played by anyone but Jacks Pearce could she? I mean...she's this incredibly capable space bitch who survives at all costs. If it wasn't Pearce you'd only end up with a Servalan clone anyway. Ken Bentley's script was fantastic here. This story is the standout War Doctor adventure for me. The range's first true 10/10. I also thought the Sontaran story was one of Andrew Smith's strongest in a script. Would perhaps have liked more of the trapped-during-regeneration Timelord which sounded like a terrific idea but was given slightly short thrift. The Sontarans were given due respect here and not just used as fodder. Loved the "Men On A Mission" tone to the story - it falls right in line with what Nick said about the first set being inspired by war movies. On more trivial aspects it was nice hearing Neve McIntosh getting to use her own accent and not have to RP it up for her Vastra role. Couldn't help but think Helena as played by Honeysuckle Weeks from Foyle's War sounded incredibly like India Fisher. I do hate to be negative about Nick but his Time Strategist here sounded so unmistakably Briggs-like it was scarcely Dalek to my ears. Could have used more vocal processing. John Hurts been one of my favourite actors since I was a wee boy and I'll never - ever - stop being amazed that we get to have him as one of The Doctors. He's just fantastic in the role too. Even some of the best actors don't adapt well to the audio medium but John has a long history with animated movies, radio and the like so he's a true pro and this man sounds like the same one we saw on screen for the 50th. Have all 3 sets ended on The War Doctor and Olistra flirting/admonishing each other or is it just me?
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 10, 2016 9:56:31 GMT
I liked this set the most of the 3 War Doctor sets so far. The last story was epic without being throwing the kitchen sink at affairs. You could almost feel the decay and misery of the universe after so many lifetimes of The Time War. Giving Josh Bolt as Kalen the lost puppy role allowed The War Doctor's true nature to reveal itself. He really isn't the monster he thinks he is. I know some posters don't like that he's still fundamentally Doctor-ish but I don't honestly think it could, or should, be any other way. Orlistra really couldn't be played by anyone but Jacks Pearce could she? I mean...she's this incredibly capable space bitch who survives at all costs. If it wasn't Pearce you'd only end up with a Servalan clone anyway. Ken Bentley's script was fantastic here. This story is the standout War Doctor adventure for me. The range's first true 10/10. I also thought the Sontaran story was one of Andrew Smith's strongest in a script. Would perhaps have liked more of the trapped-during-regeneration Timelord which sounded like a terrific idea but was given slightly short thrift. The Sontarans were given due respect here and not just used as fodder. Loved the "Men On A Mission" tone to the story - it falls right in line with what Nick said about the first set being inspired by war movies. On more trivial aspects it was nice hearing Neve McIntosh getting to use her own accent and not have to RP it up for her Vastra role. Couldn't help but think Helena as played by Honeysuckle Weeks from Foyle's War sounded incredibly like India Fisher. I do hate to be negative about Nick but his Time Strategist here sounded so unmistakably Briggs-like it was scarcely Dalek to my ears. Could have used more vocal processing. John Hurts been one of my favourite actors since I was a wee boy and I'll never - ever - stop being amazed that we get to have him as one of The Doctors. He's just fantastic in the role too. Even some of the best actors don't adapt well to the audio medium but John has a long history with animated movies, radio and the like so he's a true pro and this man sounds like the same one we saw on screen for the 50th. Have all 3 sets ended on The War Doctor and Olistra flirting/admonishing each other or is it just me? Brilliantly said David & I'm finally getting around to watching John Hurt in the movie 1984.
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Post by Ela on Dec 20, 2016 19:19:33 GMT
Have all 3 sets ended on The War Doctor and Olistra flirting/admonishing each other or is it just me? Sort of. I don't think it's just you.
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Post by eric009 on Feb 25, 2017 23:33:38 GMT
if the daleks win The Shadow Vortex would time makes the daleks just nasty bunch Hermits that die out on skaro with no idea of other life
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Post by mrperson on Feb 26, 2017 21:49:09 GMT
It's so hyberbolic, it really just threw me. I mean, it probably won't bother me now that I'm expecting it, and I really do like these stories, but the ending line just felt really awkward. And that gets to the fundamental problem with the concept of a War Doctor: to deserve his self-deprecation he would have to do something non-Doctorish. Yet he never really did. As The Doctor, he has killed when necessary, caused to be killed where necessary, and talked others into getting themselves killed. Avoiding killing isn't some kind of absolute pacifist mandate. He will do it where absolutely necessary, and he can see a lot farther than most to determine when something is indeed absolutely necessary. All along the series, we hear him announcing he's fought the war so long and done so many terrible things that he doesn't deserve the title "The Doctor", yet he never actually does anything that seems to line up with that. It supposedly all happened before the BF series picks up and, one would think, crystallizes when he burns Gallifrey. I think they should have taken a great risk and had him do things that really were not Doctory. Things that were Valeyard-like, except in favor of the Time Lords. Things that would believably lead him down the path to ultimately killing all Daleks and all Timelords in one fell swoop. I loved the series and I loved the performances. I think this all adds up to a disagreement with a War Doctor who is different in any respect other than the use of The Moment to save the universe, perhaps multiverse - an act I can see The Doctor (not "war") doing when nothing else is possible. The question remains: why does he already consider himself a monster at the beginning of the audios......?
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 27, 2017 0:38:08 GMT
I mentioned this in the Listening Thread, but there's just one thing that really bugs me about this set. {Spoiler}It's brilliant, each episode with a unique spin on a War story. I love the music as they drift off into a psychedelic plain in Episode 3. Everything's awesome, bar the ending sentiment, which almost felt like a bad joke.
Throughout the story, they go out of their way to point out how hard the Doctor is on himself despite his constant self-beration, multiple times in fact; "You keep telling yourself that", "You have the same kind eyes". The story ends with Leela saying he's not the monster he thinks he is, and he responds by saying "I am. In fact, I'm the worst of them all."
It's so hyberbolic, it really just threw me. I mean, it probably won't bother me now that I'm expecting it, and I really do like these stories, but the ending line just felt really awkward. This doesn't affect me, as I have heard both box sets, but your post is referring to Casualties of War, and this is the Agents of Chaos thread You might want to delete/move this post over to the Casualties of War thread? Moderator Note: Edited to add spoiler tags.
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