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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 2:32:15 GMT
It does have Night Of The Doctor added to it. Sure, most of us have that already but some who don't buy New Series releases might not. Given people like Steve Roberts and Chris Chapman seemed surprised to learn this was coming out I didn't think there was a chance of new features anyway. That's already an insanely stacked release. Also, remember that while this release copies over the special features, it does so for the Revisitations boxset version of the TVM - so a lot of fans will only have the first release of the movie with far less features. However, at 20 notes, they're having a laugh. That's considerably more than blurays from Criterion by comparison. The most interesting thing will be to see if the documentary content produced by Pup Ltd is presented in HD (or if it was shot/produced in SD?) The Revisitations boxset can be bought on Amazon for £15 alongside a classic of the Tom Baker era and a classic of the Peter Davison era. The only possible improvement the release can offer is the possibility of it being released in its native NTSC as opposed to PAL speed-up (DVD and Blu-ray encoding is supposedly different although I don't really understand the technical specifics of it) - although I doubt they'll change around all of that But of course Lee Binding's artwork is absolutely amazing I doubt the content was shot, or perhaps preserved, in HD so don't hold out much hope for that. The speedup could be corrected but, again, this seems like the definition of "port", doesn't seem like there's going to much restoration done. I'm struggling, as someone who generally tried to find an upshot, to see what there is to pull me in to this. I'll no doubt get it as a completist but perhaps wait till it inevitably ends up on a 5 for 30 deal, or on Black Friday. If there was something new on it then I'd have a pull. If it was more than an upscale I'd have a pull. If there was even a bit of memorabilia added: a booklet, postcards...anything, there'd be a pull. As it is? I just can't get too excited about it. I suppose, like Spearhead, the cover might end up adorning a nice Zavvi steelbook. The art would shine. So yeah, I'll probably cough up for it but not at anywhere near that price. It's unreasonable given the market. Spearhead was £13.99 on release, and 10% off from the BBC Shop made that even better. Given it was true HD and had two fantastic new documentaries....it's hard to see how this release merits so much more. My Who on Blu shelf is rather eclectic looking with no two releases looking remotely alike - the Series 1-7 behemoth boxset, the Series 8 standard release, the series 9 steelbook, the standard Spearhead, the slipcase set of the Cushing movies and the big, brown 50th anniversary box. All completely different.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 2:40:30 GMT
With the region 1 classic Doctor Who DVDs increasingly going out of print. I still hope a NTSC *option* of this Blu-ray will eventually become available for North Americans to enjoy. I agree. NTSC classic Who is getting crazy expensive in the aftermarket. I'd be happy for this to be reissued even as just an upscale simply so that it stays in print in some form. It's almost crazy how quickly the Region 1 discs started becoming rarities. There was that first wave a couple of years ago which went OOP but it featured lower selling titles. I don't think anyone expected the likes of City Of Death to suddenly become like hen's teeth. I've got a few US friends on FB who were halfway through completing their collections with little chance of doing so now. They could go region-free and import but unlike bluray there's the PAL compatibility issue. And I guess from a collector's standpoint, then half the titles would be in completely different covers as well. Not good for the OCD! Added to that, you guys payed a LOT for Who on DVD in the US/Canada. They never seemed to go under $20 even years after release wheras here they all ended up about £6 each (which they still are on Amazon). Economies of scale, I guess.
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Post by redsharkJason on Aug 13, 2016 5:58:33 GMT
I agree. NTSC classic Who is getting crazy expensive in the aftermarket. I'd be happy for this to be reissued even as just an upscale simply so that it stays in print in some form. It's almost crazy how quickly the Region 1 discs started becoming rarities. There was that first wave a couple of years ago which went OOP but it featured lower selling titles. I don't think anyone expected the likes of City Of Death to suddenly become like hen's teeth. I've got a few US friends on FB who were halfway through completing their collections with little chance of doing so now. They could go region-free and import but unlike bluray there's the PAL compatibility issue. And I guess from a collector's standpoint, then half the titles would be in completely different covers as well. Not good for the OCD! Added to that, you guys payed a LOT for Who on DVD in the US/Canada. They never seemed to go under $20 even years after release wheras here they all ended up about £6 each (which they still are on Amazon). Economies of scale, I guess. It seems likely that ALL of the NTSC classic Doctor Who DVDs are now technically out of print. With stock reserves of the remaining titles (about half now) to be gradually sold out and NOT replenished. With the declining market of the DVD everywhere, I won't be surprised if there isn't a region 1 Blu-ray release of The TV Movie. On the bright side, the North American market did surprisingly get Dark Water / Death in Heaven on Blu-ray 3D, when all other markets did not. And, if you're interested the most inexpensive Doctor Who DVD for years in Canada has been The Sontaran Experiment (still Amazon available) for $7.00 CAD. The original NTSC Sontaran Experiment DVDs were made in Canada, and then after 2010 they were manufactured in Mexico. First releases of the complete 1-2 sets of Doctor Who new series and Torchwood bought in Canada were VERY expensive. The BIG question is when will UK residents systematically see their classic Doctor Who DVDs going out of print? With the UK BBC Shop getting out of the DVD business, I'm going to say this could possibly start to happen within the next year???
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Post by Ela on Aug 14, 2016 17:07:48 GMT
I bought my DVD set rather recently, so it does have The Night of the Doctor on it. So I'm still in the "rather spend my money on something I don't have" camp.
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Post by kimalysong on Aug 15, 2016 10:27:14 GMT
I decided I wanted all of the Second Doctor on DVD so I've imported quite a few DVDs from Amazon UK. Luckily they play just fine and I don't care about the different covers.
I am sometimes worried about needing a new DVD player in the future though. The one I have now was a regular DVD player that I "hacked" to become region free. I looked a long time for a BR player that could play region free DVDs but had no luck.
There are a few more I may import (including City of Death) to get signed at conventions.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Aug 15, 2016 11:50:07 GMT
I decided I wanted all of the Second Doctor on DVD so I've imported quite a few DVDs from Amazon UK. Luckily they play just fine and I don't care about the different covers. I am sometimes worried about needing a new DVD player in the future though. The one I have now was a regular DVD player that I "hacked" to become region free. I looked a long time for a BR player that could play region free DVDs but had no luck. There are a few more I may import (including City of Death) to get signed at conventions. That is my problem, mine is a BR and not hackable. For the most part I have been able to track down most of the DVD's without breaking the bank - for the 11 I haven't, I will wait for them to become available digitally.
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Post by dasmaniac on Aug 15, 2016 17:09:19 GMT
Well I looked up the TV Movie on the Restoration team site and they state that the film was edited on to video. There is no complete physical film. Too bad the BBC is being so cheap with this release. The Film elements likely still exist but the BBC doesn't want to spend any more then they have to on this release.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 17:41:59 GMT
Well I looked up the TV Movie on the Restoration team site and they state that the film was edited on to video. There is no complete physical film. Too bad the BBC is being so cheap with this release. The Film elements likely still exist but the BBC doesn't want to spend any more then they have to on this release. It's Universal who possessed the original negatives so we've no way or knowing if they're willing to let the BBCWW use it or if any or all of it still exists. Can't really blame the Beeb's commercial wing for that any more than we can blame Big Finish for not using Grace Holloway on audio - they can't use what they can't get. It's down to 13 quid on Amazon now for anyone interested.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 22, 2016 17:14:44 GMT
I hope the BBC do get the rights back to Grace. An eighth Doctor and Grace Holloway box set set after the TV Movie and Prisoners of Time would be great. I always thought it was shame that outside of the DWM comics, Grace never had a recurring role in the Doctor's life like the Brigadier or Frobisher did. Yeah, it is a pity that the TV Movie didn't lead to at least one full series of 8 and Grace.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 21:36:58 GMT
I always thought it was shame that outside of the DWM comics, Grace never had a recurring role in the Doctor's life like the Brigadier or Frobisher did. Yeah, it is a pity that the TV Movie didn't lead to at least one full series of 8 and Grace. The Leekley Bible could have helped for inspiration there too. Not so much the remaking of old serials, but some of the ideas behind the stories have their own merit. Think of a series with: - A Talons of Weng-Chiang style story set in 1930s New York;
- A visit to Tibet featuring the Dalai Lama and Sir Edmund Hillary;
- A Daemons-style trip to Salem during the witch trials;
- A story with the pirate Blackbeard;
- Axons operating during the French Revolution, and;
- A Doom-like story on Mars with Cybermen.
All promising enough ideas if you had a very good writer behind them. Where the telemovie fell down I think lies with the difference between American (or Americanised) television and its British counterpart in that there are no fleshed out supporting characters. Half of the fun of Doctor Who is meeting all these unique and fascinating people, but here they exist primarily as functionaries of the MacGuffin plot. We never learn much about Grace other than that she's a surgeon and has an ex-boyfriend and that opening bout Chang Lee has with another Chinatown gang is basically dropped ten minutes in. If they had gone to a full series with a Sharpe-esque telefilm format (an hour and thirty-minute episodes), it would have been fun to bask in the local culture a bit while Robespierre attempts to bargain with Axos or the Doctor and Grace visit a local cinema.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Aug 22, 2016 21:46:33 GMT
I'm perfectly happy that neither Grace or Chang Lee were given more screen time, to my thinking they were never intended to be more than one off characters and frankly didn't seem to offer enough for a return appearance.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 23, 2016 6:55:10 GMT
Nope, I'll keep to my two-disc special edition.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 23, 2016 13:10:21 GMT
Yeah, it is a pity that the TV Movie didn't lead to at least one full series of 8 and Grace. The Leekley Bible could have helped for inspiration there too. Not so much the remaking of old serials, but some of the ideas behind the stories have their own merit. Think of a series with: - A Talons of Weng-Chiang style story set in 1930s New York;
- A visit to Tibet featuring the Dalai Lama and Sir Edmund Hillary;
- A Daemons-style trip to Salem during the witch trials;
- A story with the pirate Blackbeard;
- Axons operating during the French Revolution, and;
- A Doom-like story on Mars with Cybermen.
All promising enough ideas if you had a very good writer behind them. Where the telemovie fell down I think lies with the difference between American (or Americanised) television and its British counterpart in that there are no fleshed out supporting characters. Half of the fun of Doctor Who is meeting all these unique and fascinating people, but here they exist primarily as functionaries of the MacGuffin plot. We never learn much about Grace other than that she's a surgeon and has an ex-boyfriend and that opening bout Chang Lee has with another Chinatown gang is basically dropped ten minutes in. If they had gone to a full series with a Sharpe-esque telefilm format (an hour and thirty-minute episodes), it would have been fun to bask in the local culture a bit while Robespierre attempts to bargain with Axos or the Doctor and Grace visit a local cinema. One of the major problems with the TV Movie was featuring Sylvester McCoy at the beginning. They should have done what RTD later did and just started with a new incarnation of the Doctor.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 23, 2016 20:27:35 GMT
One of the major problems with the TV Movie was featuring Sylvester McCoy at the beginning. They should have done what RTD later did and just started with a new incarnation of the Doctor. It's a fair point, but I guarantee that if they'd done that, McGann would never have been considered cannon. That was really the only thing that stopped it from being a reboot, and as such, they managed to get enough people on board that they didn't do a Cushing or a Grant. I don't see why. The ninth Doctor is considered canonical even though we didn't see the regeneration until Day of the Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 21:19:16 GMT
It's a fair point, but I guarantee that if they'd done that, McGann would never have been considered cannon. That was really the only thing that stopped it from being a reboot, and as such, they managed to get enough people on board that they didn't do a Cushing or a Grant. I don't see why. The ninth Doctor is considered canonical even though we didn't see the regeneration until Day of the Doctor. To be fair to @toaau, RTD's Ninth Doctor does have at least two incarnations following in his wake to help reinforce the idea that he's canon, but I think the strength of the story in question would have helped to put McGann front and centre as the new Doctor. Better to have something like Sympathy for the Devil or The Dying Days where we go "Man, he was awesome, I wish we'd gotten a full series from him," than go out of your way to canonise what may turn out to be a bad story (ymmv). Joseph Lidster said that he'd have preferred to start from San Francisco and have the Doctor's arrival be a complete mystery and honestly that's actually a really nice way to watch the movie (with the Master in the TARDIS being "Episode 1"'s cliffhanger). With some quick cutting, Seven is downed by gunfire five minutes in and we have the regeneration at the magic ten-minute mark. Then we get to learn about chunks of the plot as Grace does like McGann being the man she accidentally murdered on the operating table last night and the Doctor's intimation that this may have been a plot orchestrated by the Daleks with the assistance of the Master to get him out of the way.
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Post by kurumais on Aug 24, 2016 0:01:29 GMT
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Post by agentten on Aug 24, 2016 0:34:09 GMT
That AV Club write up is pretty spot on to how I feel about the TV movie. I liked it when I saw it air back in 1996 and I still like it today. I just watched it recently and it made me love Eight even more. It's goofy, big, fun and whimsical and I'm pretty forgiving of its flaws because I feel that ultimately its heart(s) are in the right place.
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Post by Ela on Aug 24, 2016 3:48:07 GMT
Yup. It's ridiculous, full of plot holes and I love it.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 24, 2016 11:01:45 GMT
I don't see why. The ninth Doctor is considered canonical even though we didn't see the regeneration until Day of the Doctor. To be fair to @toaau , RTD's Ninth Doctor does have at least two incarnations following in his wake to help reinforce the idea that he's canon, but I think the strength of the story in question would have helped to put McGann front and centre as the new Doctor. Better to have something like Sympathy for the Devil or The Dying Days where we go "Man, he was awesome, I wish we'd gotten a full series from him," than go out of your way to canonise what may turn out to be a bad story (ymmv). Joseph Lidster said that he'd have preferred to start from San Francisco and have the Doctor's arrival be a complete mystery and honestly that's actually a really nice way to watch the movie (with the Master in the TARDIS being "Episode 1"'s cliffhanger). With some quick cutting, Seven is downed by gunfire five minutes in and we have the regeneration at the magic ten-minute mark. Then we get to learn about chunks of the plot as Grace does like McGann being the man she accidentally murdered on the operating table last night and the Doctor's intimation that this may have been a plot orchestrated by the Daleks with the assistance of the Master to get him out of the way. Yeah, they really didn't need the 'Master on trial by the Daleks' thing. Too confusing for both new and existing audiences.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Aug 24, 2016 11:39:41 GMT
I think too often we get caught up in what reviewers say and let that influence our opinions before we even sit down to watch something. As more and more people have taken to reviewing content on YouTube, through blogs and other formats many of us now spend more time analysing than enjoying.
If I read a review of something, be it a book, movie, tv show, it is after I have already watched/read, and for me all that matters is whether I enjoyed the final product. Sometimes I couldn't even tell you why I liked it, just that I did.
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