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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 11:50:23 GMT
To be fair to @toaau , RTD's Ninth Doctor does have at least two incarnations following in his wake to help reinforce the idea that he's canon, but I think the strength of the story in question would have helped to put McGann front and centre as the new Doctor. Better to have something like Sympathy for the Devil or The Dying Days where we go "Man, he was awesome, I wish we'd gotten a full series from him," than go out of your way to canonise what may turn out to be a bad story (ymmv). Joseph Lidster said that he'd have preferred to start from San Francisco and have the Doctor's arrival be a complete mystery and honestly that's actually a really nice way to watch the movie (with the Master in the TARDIS being "Episode 1"'s cliffhanger). With some quick cutting, Seven is downed by gunfire five minutes in and we have the regeneration at the magic ten-minute mark. Then we get to learn about chunks of the plot as Grace does like McGann being the man she accidentally murdered on the operating table last night and the Doctor's intimation that this may have been a plot orchestrated by the Daleks with the assistance of the Master to get him out of the way. Yeah, they really didn't need the 'Master on trial by the Daleks' thing. Too confusing for both new and existing audiences. It could have worked, but it felt really, really tacked on because it plays virtually no part in how everything plays out. In many respects, it feels as though it's trying to Highlander 2 its way through, whacking all the main points that they think audiences would be interested in by trying to do Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home but for Who and without the whales.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 24, 2016 19:16:26 GMT
Yeah, they really didn't need the 'Master on trial by the Daleks' thing. Too confusing for both new and existing audiences. It could have worked, but it felt really, really tacked on because it plays virtually no part in how everything plays out. In many respects, it feels as though it's trying to Highlander 2 its way through, whacking all the main points that they think audiences would be interested in by trying to do Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home but for Who and without the whales. I would have actually preferred to have seen what led to the Daleks putting the Master on trial over the TV Movie's plot. I really like the TV Movie but the story of what would lead to the Master's trial is a story with infinite potential IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 20:55:08 GMT
It could have worked, but it felt really, really tacked on because it plays virtually no part in how everything plays out. I would have actually preferred to have seen what led to the Daleks putting the Master on trial over the TV Movie's plot. I really like the TV Movie but the story of what would lead to the Master's trial is a story with infinite potential IMO. Not just related to the TVM, but I have never grasped the concept of the Daleks putting anyone 'on trial'; that's what a civilised society that believes in justice would do. Hardly what you would expect from a race of merciless mutants intent on exterminating inferior races and conquerng the Universe! If you were an enemy of the Daleks extermination without any fuss would be the norm, so I thought the Daleks putting The Master on trial was a silly way to start the TVM.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 21:37:20 GMT
I would have actually preferred to have seen what led to the Daleks putting the Master on trial over the TV Movie's plot. I really like the TV Movie but the story of what would lead to the Master's trial is a story with infinite potential IMO. Not just related to the TVM, but I have never grasped the concept of the Daleks putting anyone 'on trial'; that's what a civilised society that believes in justice would do. Hardly what you would expect from a race of merciless mutants intent on exterminating inferior races and conquerng the Universe! If you were an enemy of the Daleks extermination without any fuss would be the norm, so I thought the Daleks putting The Master on trial was a silly way to start the TVM. It works much better in the I, Davros sense that they are "trying out" those who are about to be executed to see if they can prove useful.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 25, 2016 11:04:23 GMT
I would have actually preferred to have seen what led to the Daleks putting the Master on trial over the TV Movie's plot. I really like the TV Movie but the story of what would lead to the Master's trial is a story with infinite potential IMO. Not just related to the TVM, but I have never grasped the concept of the Daleks putting anyone 'on trial'; that's what a civilised society that believes in justice would do. Hardly what you would expect from a race of merciless mutants intent on exterminating inferior races and conquerng the Universe! If you were an enemy of the Daleks extermination without any fuss would be the norm, so I thought the Daleks putting The Master on trial was a silly way to start the TVM. That's why it's the more interesting story though. What would lead the Daleks to put someone on trial rather than just exterminate them? It doesn't work with the TV Movie as it is because it's horribly tacked on without any explanation as to A: Why the Master is on trial and B: Why the Daleks were putting someone on trial. Plus many viewers watching at that point would have had no idea who the Master was.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 20:13:58 GMT
Not just related to the TVM, but I have never grasped the concept of the Daleks putting anyone 'on trial'; that's what a civilised society that believes in justice would do. Hardly what you would expect from a race of merciless mutants intent on exterminating inferior races and conquerng the Universe! [...] so I thought the Daleks putting The Master on trial was a silly way to start the TVM. That's why it's the more interesting story though. What would lead the Daleks to put someone on trial rather than just exterminate them? It doesn't work with the TV Movie as it is because it's horribly tacked on without any explanation as to A: Why the Master is on trial and B: Why the Daleks were putting someone on trial. Also, having the Daleks invite their sworn enemy - The Doctor - to come to Skaro to collect The Master's ashes was another load of nonsense, and very un-Dalek like. A respectful society that has feelings or cares about dead people's ashes might do that, but Daleks? On Skaro?! Nah, it was stupid.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 25, 2016 20:23:52 GMT
That's why it's the more interesting story though. What would lead the Daleks to put someone on trial rather than just exterminate them? It doesn't work with the TV Movie as it is because it's horribly tacked on without any explanation as to A: Why the Master is on trial and B: Why the Daleks were putting someone on trial. Also, having the Daleks invite their sworn enemy - The Doctor - to come to Skaro to collect The Master's ashes was another load of nonsense, and very un-Dalek like. A respectful society that has feelings or cares about dead people's ashes might do that, but Daleks? On Skaro?! Nah, it was stupid. If that had been the TV Movie's plot it may have made more sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 20:39:26 GMT
... and let's not forget those Cadbury's Smash TV advert style Dalek voices too!
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Post by redsharkJason on Aug 26, 2016 17:12:36 GMT
In lieu of the region 2 TV Movie Blu-ray; North American fans will natively have the option to buy The Weeping Angels DVD set rehash.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 27, 2016 8:23:19 GMT
Hope the Blu-ray fixes those awful hellium sounding Daleks.
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Post by redsharkJason on Sept 15, 2016 17:50:35 GMT
The region 1 TV Movie DVD is now out of print.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Sept 15, 2016 18:35:14 GMT
The region 1 TV Movie DVD is now out of print. Good thing I bought it when it came out. More ore and more of the classic episodes are going out of print, thankfully I'm not missing too many of them.
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Post by Ela on Sept 15, 2016 20:35:38 GMT
The region 1 TV Movie DVD is now out of print. Good thing I bought it when it came out. More ore and more of the classic episodes are going out of print, thankfully I'm not missing too many of them. Good thing I bought it when it was on sale.
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Post by grazey on Sept 17, 2016 11:08:58 GMT
Disc 1 of the TV movie is 1050i. Disc 2 is a DVD. It's The same disc as disc 2 of the special edition dvd. Such a waste. It could have been special but instead we got a lesson on how not to release blu Ray.. So glad I avoided it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 13:15:33 GMT
Disc 1 of the TV movie is 1050i. Disc 2 is a DVD. It's The same disc as disc 2 of the special edition dvd. Such a waste. It could have been special but instead we got a lesson on how not to release blu Ray.. So glad I avoided it Looks like I will avoid this too.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 18, 2016 8:17:30 GMT
I don't see why. The ninth Doctor is considered canonical even though we didn't see the regeneration until Day of the Doctor. As I recall, RTD said that so far as the numbering of Doctors was concerned, he knew that the newspapers would assume that Ecclestone was 9 because Paul McGann had been 8, Sylvester McCoy had been 7, and so on; and since none of them would know or care or think their readers would know or care about Richard E Grant, he was just plain ignored. But if Paul McGann hadn't been connected to the original TV series by the regeneration, the public could easily have dismissed the TVM as an American aberation to be ignored. Indeed, as I recall one author of Doctor Who novels (can't remember who, though) wrote to DWM during the post-McGann era to say precisely this, that he would guarantee that if the show came back, McGann would be ignored. He was wrong, of course, but it would have been a more likely scenario if there hadn't been a regeneration. Philip Segal needed the regeneration to prove his material counted. RTD didn't need that at all. And, even then, there was still surprise when images of Paul McGann appeared in "Human Nature" and "The Next Doctor".
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 18, 2016 8:39:26 GMT
I don't see why. The ninth Doctor is considered canonical even though we didn't see the regeneration until Day of the Doctor. As I recall, RTD said that so far as the numbering of Doctors was concerned, he knew that the newspapers would assume that Ecclestone was 9 because Paul McGann had been 8, Sylvester McCoy had been 7, and so on; and since none of them would know or care or think their readers would know or care about Richard E Grant, he was just plain ignored. But if Paul McGann hadn't been connected to the original TV series by the regeneration, the public could easily have dismissed the TVM as an American aberation to be ignored. Indeed, as I recall one author of Doctor Who novels (can't remember who, though) wrote to DWM during the post-McGann era to say precisely this, that he would guarantee that if the show came back, McGann would be ignored. He was wrong, of course, but it would have been a more likely scenario if there hadn't been a regeneration. Philip Segal needed the regeneration to prove his material counted. RTD didn't need that at all. And, even then, there was still surprise when images of Paul McGann appeared in "Human Nature" and "The Next Doctor". I don't know why it would be surprising though. Richard E Grant's Doctor was intended as a continuation of the series but his was a cartoon Doctor so is much easier to dismiss than Paul McGann's Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:02:16 GMT
I don't see why. The ninth Doctor is considered canonical even though we didn't see the regeneration until Day of the Doctor. As I recall, RTD said that so far as the numbering of Doctors was concerned, he knew that the newspapers would assume that Ecclestone was 9 because Paul McGann had been 8, Sylvester McCoy had been 7, and so on; and since none of them would know or care or think their readers would know or care about Richard E Grant, he was just plain ignored. But if Paul McGann hadn't been connected to the original TV series by the regeneration, the public could easily have dismissed the TVM as an American aberation to be ignored. Indeed, as I recall one author of Doctor Who novels (can't remember who, though) wrote to DWM during the post-McGann era to say precisely this, that he would guarantee that if the show came back, McGann would be ignored. He was wrong, of course, but it would have been a more likely scenario if there hadn't been a regeneration. Philip Segal needed the regeneration to prove his material counted. RTD didn't need that at all. And, even then, there was still surprise when images of Paul McGann appeared in "Human Nature" and "The Next Doctor". Yeah. I remember back in the times when people were debating on forums if he was or wasn't cannon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:45:42 GMT
As I recall, RTD said that so far as the numbering of Doctors was concerned, he knew that the newspapers would assume that Ecclestone was 9 because Paul McGann had been 8, Sylvester McCoy had been 7, and so on; and since none of them would know or care or think their readers would know or care about Richard E Grant, he was just plain ignored. But if Paul McGann hadn't been connected to the original TV series by the regeneration, the public could easily have dismissed the TVM as an American aberation to be ignored. Indeed, as I recall one author of Doctor Who novels (can't remember who, though) wrote to DWM during the post-McGann era to say precisely this, that he would guarantee that if the show came back, McGann would be ignored. He was wrong, of course, but it would have been a more likely scenario if there hadn't been a regeneration. Philip Segal needed the regeneration to prove his material counted. RTD didn't need that at all. And, even then, there was still surprise when images of Paul McGann appeared in "Human Nature" and "The Next Doctor". Yeah. I remember back in the times when people were debating on forums if he was or wasn't cannon. And there was some very strong views on Doctor Who forums regarding this, and a lot of people didn't include McGann's Doctor as beng canon. Even when he did the BF audios some people still ignored him. Strange but true!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:48:24 GMT
Yeah. I remember back in the times when people were debating on forums if he was or wasn't cannon. And there was some very strong views on Doctor Who forums regarding this, and a lot of people didn't include McGann's Doctor as beng canon. Even when he did the BF audios some people still ignored him. Strange but true! Yeah. I always found it odd in hindsight. If I remember rightly, some people were even saying he might not be cannon after Human Nature/Family Of Blood.
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