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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 17:04:10 GMT
I don't have a problem with Superheroes, a I grew up on them. Even now, I still love them. Do they have a part to play in Doctor Who? I don't know, it depends on how it's done I suppose. So I will watch Doctor Who at Christmas and see. It could be fun...
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Post by relativetime on Oct 8, 2016 17:32:36 GMT
I don't think there's any question that a superhero could work in Doctor Who - it most definitely could. We already have an entire realm that allows for the existence of fictional characters and such - the Land of Fiction. It's even established that the characters from that realm don't HAVE to be from real world pieces of fiction - remember The Crooked Man?
Assuming that's the direction Steven Moffat decides to go, all he'd need to include is a single line about Doctor Mysterio being created by some random comic book writer and then escaping from the Land of Fiction or whatever and that's that sorted.
And even if he doesn't use the Land of Fiction, there's still no reason why a character with superheroes couldn't exist in the Doctor Who universe. We already basically accept that hundreds of other aliens in the universe look like humans and we accept that there are aliens with telepathic, shapeshifting, and other abilities that'd be right at home in a superhero comic. We even accept stories in Big Finish and the novels where we DO have humans possessing some of those abilities! The Burning Prince (BF), Love and War (NA), even Verdigris (PDA). The Doctor Who comics even had the Seventh Doctor in the same universe AS the Marvel comics for a time!
So why now are we suddenly acting like Doctor Who should be this hardcore, straight-forward, gritty science-fiction show? Doctor Who embraces the strange and the unorthodox and the flat-out fictional.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 8, 2016 18:11:47 GMT
I don't think there's any question that a superhero could work in Doctor Who - it most definitely could. We already have an entire realm that allows for the existence of fictional characters and such - the Land of Fiction. It's even established that the characters from that realm don't HAVE to be from real world pieces of fiction - remember The Crooked Man? I hadn't even thought of the Land of Fiction, but now that you mention it, I really hope that the Karkus shows up. I just love the superhero that apparently has super strength, but can have his ass kicked by a tiny girl with no super powers, and then becomes a slave to anyone who defeats him. |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 8, 2016 18:22:20 GMT
Moffat is a bad writer, and the Christmas special is going to look bad!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 8, 2016 19:56:21 GMT
So why now are we suddenly acting like Doctor Who should be this hardcore, straight-forward, gritty science-fiction show? For me it's more the fact that the Christmas Special should be festive and superheroes aren't that. |
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 8, 2016 20:18:42 GMT
So why now are we suddenly acting like Doctor Who should be this hardcore, straight-forward, gritty science-fiction show? For me it's more the fact that the Christmas Special should be festive and superheroes aren't that. It depends what they're doing with the super heroes. |
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Post by aemiliapaula on Oct 8, 2016 20:54:09 GMT
I shall wait to see the episode before I make judgement, but the mere idea of a Superhero in Doctor Who makes my heart sink, I'm hoping Moffat is somehow bluffing, but the idea leaves me dismayed right now. Didn't BF do a superhero a couple of years ago in a Fourth Doctor story? And Titan's most recent Ninth Doctor story basically had superheroes. And, honestly, the Doctor has always been a bit of a superhero too. At the high school I work at there is sometimes a Superhero day during spirit weeks. If it's in the winter I come as the Fourth Doctor. (One of my students was Beowulf... he teaches history now!) |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 8, 2016 22:18:47 GMT
For me it's more the fact that the Christmas Special should be festive and superheroes aren't that. It depends what they're doing with the super heroes. What could you do with superheroes that makes superheroes in general a Christmassy idea? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 22:37:50 GMT
It depends what they're doing with the super heroes. What could you do with superheroes that makes superheroes in general a Christmassy idea? SuperSanta and his Cyber-Elves take on the evil HollyMan on a snowy Christmas Eve causing holiday havoc; the future of Christmas is at stake... and only The Doctor can save the plum pudding. (How on earth did Marvel miss that?!) |
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 8, 2016 22:40:28 GMT
It depends what they're doing with the super heroes. What could you do with superheroes that makes superheroes in general a Christmassy idea? I dunno. There's a reason that I'm not a writer. |
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Post by relativetime on Oct 8, 2016 23:24:03 GMT
It depends what they're doing with the super heroes. What could you do with superheroes that makes superheroes in general a Christmassy idea? Multiple ideas. For one, we could play on the fact that a lot of festive stories or concepts like Santa are fictional like superheroes. Perhaps the story is about the superhero coming to terms with the fact that while he may be fictional, that doesn't mean he's any less important in peoples' lives (using Santa as an example) - a lesson he learns with a little help from the Doctor. Honestly, though, the story doesn't necessarily HAVE to center around Christmas or even have a Christmas-like idea for superheroes just so long as the story is SET during Christmas or a recognizably festive time and just so long as it captures those familiar moral lessons we hear around Christmas time. |
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Post by omega on Oct 9, 2016 2:41:13 GMT
I shall wait to see the episode before I make judgement, but the mere idea of a Superhero in Doctor Who makes my heart sink, I'm hoping Moffat is somehow bluffing, but the idea leaves me dismayed right now. Didn't BF do a superhero a couple of years ago in a Fourth Doctor story? And Titan's most recent Ninth Doctor story basically had superheroes. And, honestly, the Doctor has always been a bit of a superhero too. You mean Starfall, the fourth story in Demon Quest, the second of the sets Tom Baker did with BBC Audio along with Richard Franklin and Susan Jameson as Mrs Wisbey. That was six years ago, late 2010. Already been mentioned, though in less detail: This could be fun. Doctor Who hasn't gone into superhero territory very often (there was one of the BBC Audio Hornet's Nest/Demon Quest stories and Izzy from the DWM comics sometimes mentions comic book stuff). It's also different from previous Christmas specials. |
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 9, 2016 2:54:08 GMT
Didn't BF do a superhero a couple of years ago in a Fourth Doctor story? And Titan's most recent Ninth Doctor story basically had superheroes. And, honestly, the Doctor has always been a bit of a superhero too. You mean Starfall, the fourth story in Demon Quest, the second of the sets Tom Baker did with BBC Audio along with Richard Franklin and Susan Jameson as Mrs Wisbey. That was six years ago, late 2010. Already been mentioned, though in less detail: This could be fun. Doctor Who hasn't gone into superhero territory very often (there was one of the BBC Audio Hornet's Nest/Demon Quest stories and Izzy from the DWM comics sometimes mentions comic book stuff). It's also different from previous Christmas specials. That's not the one I was thinking of. I'm pretty sure there was somthing more recently where the Doctor teamed up with Jago and Litefoot, and there was a Batmanesque superhero. I may be misremembering though. |
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Post by omega on Oct 9, 2016 2:57:54 GMT
You mean Starfall, the fourth story in Demon Quest, the second of the sets Tom Baker did with BBC Audio along with Richard Franklin and Susan Jameson as Mrs Wisbey. That was six years ago, late 2010. Already been mentioned, though in less detail: That's not the one I was thinking of. I'm pretty sure there was somthing more recently where the Doctor teamed up with Jago and Litefoot, and there was a Batmanesque superhero. I may be misremembering though. Justice of Jalxar? I didn't feel it, but one could get a superhero vibe from it. There weren't any overt superhero references to it. |
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Post by constonks on Oct 10, 2016 16:30:52 GMT
Does anyone else think this is going to be in the Land of Fiction? Superheroes in a city that the TARDIS isn't allowed to go back to?
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Post by relativetime on Oct 10, 2016 18:35:56 GMT
Does anyone else think this is going to be in the Land of Fiction? Superheroes in a city that the TARDIS isn't allowed to go back to? I'd love it if it were. There are so many interesting things you can do with the Land of Fiction and I think it could really compliment the themes and metaphors related to fairy tales Moffat usually includes in his writing. |
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 10, 2016 18:42:01 GMT
Does anyone else think this is going to be in the Land of Fiction? Superheroes in a city that the TARDIS isn't allowed to go back to? I doubt it. I'm pretty sure the TARDIS just can't go back to 30s New York, and superheroes are the kind of thing that can easily exist in the Doctor Who universe. If they went back to the Land of Fiction, I think they would use the opportunity to have real fictional characters show up. |
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Post by constonks on Oct 10, 2016 19:37:58 GMT
Does anyone else think this is going to be in the Land of Fiction? Superheroes in a city that the TARDIS isn't allowed to go back to? I doubt it. I'm pretty sure the TARDIS just can't go back to 30s New York, and superheroes are the kind of thing that can easily exist in the Doctor Who universe. If they went back to the Land of Fiction, I think they would use the opportunity to have real fictional characters show up. Hmm true. It would be kind of a waste to avoid setting a story around public domain characters (or licenses the Beeb could attain for a one-off episode). |
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Post by fingersmash on Oct 10, 2016 19:47:37 GMT
I think that superheroes can actually be inherently Christmassy. Put in the context of Christmas as a time of hope and peace and combine that with a superhero who provides hope and keeps peace. Boom, you make superheroes Christmassy.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 10, 2016 20:31:28 GMT
I doubt it. I'm pretty sure the TARDIS just can't go back to 30s New York, and superheroes are the kind of thing that can easily exist in the Doctor Who universe. If they went back to the Land of Fiction, I think they would use the opportunity to have real fictional characters show up. Hmm true. It would be kind of a waste to avoid setting a story around public domain characters (or licenses the Beeb could attain for a one-off episode). Besides, if they were to do superheroes in the land of fiction, I would want it to be centered around the gritty reboot version of Karkus. |
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