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Post by sherlock on Jan 7, 2017 20:00:45 GMT
I definitely wouldn't say Series 1 was my favourite, but I'm glad to find someone else who likes Series 2. It's a very under-rated series IMO - I still don't get why so many people hate Fear Her, for example. I actually really like Fear Her. Fear Her actually freaked me as a kid when it was aired, I haven't watched it since for fear of ruining that memory with its actual quality.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 7, 2017 20:37:57 GMT
I definitely wouldn't say Series 1 was my favourite, but I'm glad to find someone else who likes Series 2. It's a very under-rated series IMO - I still don't get why so many people hate Fear Her, for example. I actually really like Fear Her. So do I. I think it had some very clever ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 20:56:39 GMT
I actually really like Fear Her. So do I. I think it had some very clever ideas. Dalekbuster, quick question, what software do you use to create your avatars. Is it Photoshop or something else entirely.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 7, 2017 21:07:36 GMT
So do I. I think it had some very clever ideas. Dalekbuster, quick question, what software do you use to create your avatars. Is it Photoshop or something else entirely. I use Photoshop. It's well worth the cost of Adobe Creative Cloud.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 21:12:54 GMT
Dalekbuster, quick question, what software do you use to create your avatars. Is it Photoshop or something else entirely. I use Photoshop. It's well worth the cost of Adobe Creative Cloud. Cool, I have Adobe Cloud as well just curious as I enjoy seeing your new avatars. Have a great day.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 7, 2017 21:14:02 GMT
I use Photoshop. It's well worth the cost of Adobe Creative Cloud. Cool, I have Adobe Cloud as well just curious as I enjoy seeing your new avatars. Have a great day. Thanks. I always try my best to relate it to an upcoming audio in some way.
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Post by aemiliapaula on Jan 7, 2017 22:10:38 GMT
I haven't watched many of the Eccleston/Tennant eps for years, and I still haven't seen all of Smith's run, but I'd say Series 9 is my favourite of New Who so far. I know everyone'll probably disagree, but I think Series 1 and 2 are the best series. Followed by Series 4. Then Series 3. Then Series 8 and 9 joint. Followed by Series 5. Then Seven. Then Six. I almost completely agree with this except I'd switch 4 with 2. One reason I like 1 so much is I tuned in not knowing there even was a modern series, I saw the whole year in one day as a marathon on SyFy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 21:23:54 GMT
The Zygon Invasion/Inversion - 5/10. It's a very fun adventure, but the political themes aren't handled maturely and aren't handled in the right way. It is very, very blatantly not looking at both sides of the argument. If it is blatantly not looking at both sides of the argument then that is probably very intentional. And why should any piece of drama have to look at both sides? And honestly, the main takeaway that we should do more listening and less talking strikes me as a worthy & common sense position. But if it's looking at politics, I feel a drama should be portraying more than one side, otherwise it looks like a propaganda piece.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 21:25:00 GMT
I know everyone'll probably disagree, but I think Series 1 and 2 are the best series. Followed by Series 4. Then Series 3. Then Series 8 and 9 joint. Followed by Series 5. Then Seven. Then Six. I almost completely agree with this except I'd switch 4 with 2. One reason I like 1 so much is I tuned in not knowing there even was a modern series, I saw the whole year in one day as a marathon on SyFy. Yeah. I can see your point of view definitely. The reason I like Series 2 so much is very, very similar, since I watched it on WATCH.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 14, 2017 22:27:25 GMT
If it is blatantly not looking at both sides of the argument then that is probably very intentional. And why should any piece of drama have to look at both sides? And honestly, the main takeaway that we should do more listening and less talking strikes me as a worthy & common sense position. But if it's looking at politics, I feel a drama should be portraying more than one side, otherwise it looks like a propaganda piece. But what two sides are there to extreme terror groups?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 11:37:23 GMT
But if it's looking at politics, I feel a drama should be portraying more than one side, otherwise it looks like a propaganda piece. But what two sides are there to extreme terror groups? One man's law is another man's crime. If you look at Star Trek's Deep Space Nine, Kira Nerys (Captain Sisko's second-in-command) was a child soldier and a freedom fighter who killed Cardassians irrespective of whether they were soldiers or non-combatants. She is a bona fide terrorist and yet she's one of the main protagonists of the show whom we are meant to sympathise with, there's a lot of ground to cover the ambiguity of what such an organisation is like. For instance, not everyone is roped into such an organisation through choice, there are sadly a few who perform acts against their own people out of fear for their families' lives or are so blinded by inconsolable rage that it doesn't matter who killed their children, only that Americans did it and that these people have a way to get back at them. They kill your countrymen, they are evil. You kill their countrymen, you are evil. It's never simple. It's ugly, it's vile and the War on Terror is a subject that should have been handled so much better than it was because everything is grey. A Sea Devil gunned down by the human naval officer put himself between the Master and the human's bullets to protect him, Okdel was willing to negotiate with the humans before Morka murdered him, the Draconians and humans nearly destroyed one another because of a fundamental cultural misunderstanding, the Doctor had to overcome his racism against the Ice Warriors to see that it was another who was responsible for Peladon's strife... Doctor Who is usually so much better at demonstrating this and it's astonishing we didn't get the same kind of treatment here, particularly given how pertinent it is now.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 15, 2017 11:47:11 GMT
But what two sides are there to extreme terror groups? One man's law is another man's crime. If you look at Star Trek's Deep Space Nine, Kira Nerys (Captain Sisko's second-in-command) was a child soldier and a freedom fighter who killed Cardassians irrespective of whether they were soldiers or non-combatants. She is a bona fide terrorist and yet she's one of the main protagonists of the show whom we are meant to sympathise with, there's a lot of ground to cover the ambiguity of what such an organisation is like. For instance, not everyone is roped into such an organisation through choice, there are sadly a few who perform acts against their own people out of fear for their families' lives or are so blinded by inconsolable rage that it doesn't matter who killed their children, only that Americans did it and that these people have a way to get back at them. They kill your countrymen, they are evil. You kill their countrymen, you are evil. It's never simple. It's ugly, it's vile and the War on Terror is a subject that should have been handled so much better than it was because everything is grey. A Sea Devil gunned down by the human naval officer put himself between the Master and the human's bullets to protect him, Okdel was willing to negotiate with the humans before Morka murdered him, the Draconians and humans nearly destroyed one another because of a fundamental cultural misunderstanding, the Doctor had to overcome his racism against the Ice Warriors to see that it was another who was responsible for Peladon's strife... Doctor Who is usually so much better at demonstrating this and it's astonishing we didn't get the same kind of treatment here, particularly given how pertinent it is now. Terrorism is a very delicate matter at the moment though. If you show both sides as having valid points it is bound to offend many people.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 15, 2017 13:41:16 GMT
Unfortunately the world has the yin/yang effect for every good deed there is a bad one committed, maybe one day humanity will wise up & respect it's just one species with different cultures & beliefs living on one planet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 1:00:47 GMT
One man's law is another man's crime. If you look at Star Trek's Deep Space Nine, Kira Nerys (Captain Sisko's second-in-command) was a child soldier and a freedom fighter who killed Cardassians irrespective of whether they were soldiers or non-combatants. She is a bona fide terrorist and yet she's one of the main protagonists of the show whom we are meant to sympathise with, there's a lot of ground to cover the ambiguity of what such an organisation is like. For instance, not everyone is roped into such an organisation through choice, there are sadly a few who perform acts against their own people out of fear for their families' lives or are so blinded by inconsolable rage that it doesn't matter who killed their children, only that Americans did it and that these people have a way to get back at them. They kill your countrymen, they are evil. You kill their countrymen, you are evil. It's never simple. It's ugly, it's vile and the War on Terror is a subject that should have been handled so much better than it was because everything is grey. A Sea Devil gunned down by the human naval officer put himself between the Master and the human's bullets to protect him, Okdel was willing to negotiate with the humans before Morka murdered him, the Draconians and humans nearly destroyed one another because of a fundamental cultural misunderstanding, the Doctor had to overcome his racism against the Ice Warriors to see that it was another who was responsible for Peladon's strife... Doctor Who is usually so much better at demonstrating this and it's astonishing we didn't get the same kind of treatment here, particularly given how pertinent it is now. Terrorism is a very delicate matter at the moment though. If you show both sides as having valid points it is bound to offend many people. That's very, very true, but I think that's a strength that is often ignored in fiction -- to show that at the end of the day these are still people. You play into public perceptions where something is always inexplicably unconscionable and you help to further those jingoistic stereotypes whether you're aware of it or not. Killing is always wrong and the show should demonstrate that, but the "good guys" are just as capable of atrocities as the villains are. "The ends justifies the means" approach you see so often. After all, the Dalek Supreme refers to the Doctor as a terrorist who has claimed hundreds of thousands of his people's lives. We empathise with the Doctor because we know the Daleks, we know their violent and bloodied history, but really the reaction from Klint is perfectly rational and the statement itself isn't untrue. Our Time Lord chum is a radical amongst his own society and his eighth incarnation outright says that if he had the opportunity to go back and redo Genesis of the Daleks he would have wiped them out from existence. Moreover, with that worry about being offended, we wouldn't have the sympathetic Nazi officer Hauptmann Julius Schäfer in Colditz. If we do not know why these people terrorise us, then all you've got is fear and fear is hardly useful when it comes to solving a situation. It's an emotion that exists to be conquered by wisdom and that means learning facts like that former Nazi Gert Fröbe helped to hide a Jewish family from persecution. If people are offended, they should consider how much harder it is to kill someone when they look like you or me.
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