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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 28, 2016 14:00:34 GMT
True, but that's more of a full camp out than just a regular stakeout like in Mysterio, and 3's wine and cheese is more of a full meal than a pack of store bought sushi (which was a nice touch on Moffat's part.) Picky, picky, picky. Either sushi, or whatever Who's equivalent of fast food chains are. Burger Earl Michigan Fried Turkey O'Dougals
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Dec 28, 2016 14:36:20 GMT
Either sushi, or whatever Who's equivalent of fast food chains are. Burger Earl Michigan Fried Turkey O'Dougals Backgammons Pizza Dippin' Donuts White Palace Underground Any others?
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Post by Tony Jones on Dec 28, 2016 15:00:29 GMT
I've been out of reach of wifi for a while - I enjoyed this episode as a piece of fun, some very good performances and lots to like, even on a second viewing.
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Post by SG. on Dec 28, 2016 17:38:43 GMT
Watching this for the third time now. I do like this episode - there's a lot to like in it - but I think it'll hold up better during a binge watch than as an isolated special.
Capaldi was on fine form, as always. His comedic timing was the best it's ever been. Nardole may be one of the best things I never knew I needed, like the Alfred to the Doctor's Batman. The only issue was that he would just keep disappearing without explanation - something I hope doesn't carry through to series 10.
Both Grant and Lucy are somewhat underdeveloped characters but have enough material between them to get something done. Theperformances by Chatwin and Wakefield were great though. The villains - eh, not so much. Dr Sim and Mr Brock were just generic twats - if this is a Superman homage, give me a Lex Luthor, someone enigmatic and annoyingly charming.
The direction by Bazalgette was decent - nothing amazing, but sufficient. Reminded me a lot of the RTD era actually. The script by Moffat - well written, but the story itself was a bit blah. There's a lot of clever dialogue and interesting set-pieces but they're built on concepts that remain too generic to spark.
At the end of the day, The Return of Doctor Mysterio wasn't a bad episode, and had great moments, but I couldn't help but feel underwhelmed with the total product. However, I see good signs of things to come in series 10.
Side note: The child actor at the start was absolutely terrible. I cringed at his pronunciation of "Hellooooo?".
Side note 2: We haven't even had another episode all year but they're somehow already reusing sets. Efficient.
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Post by mrperson on Dec 28, 2016 19:01:59 GMT
I'm not saying I'm offended, but that term definitely has a rather meaning, use, and impact (upon many listeners, at least) in the states....
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 28, 2016 19:32:26 GMT
Side note: The child actor at the start was absolutely terrible. I cringed at his pronunciation of "Hellooooo?". I didn't think he was that bad really. He wasn't in it much anyway.
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Post by doctorkernow on Dec 29, 2016 0:24:52 GMT
Hello again. An hour of escapist fun. The 12th Doctor is a real Doctor Mysterio - you never know what he's going to say or do next. Behind the avuncular uncle routine the steel, the anger is still there. He has that liberating attitude of some older people; he does not care what people think of his speech or actions.
Also still with us Murray Gold's strangled cat version of the theme, astringent putting your teeth on edge.
Matt Lucas's Nardole is an aimiable enough foil for the Doctor and the addition of Bill will make for an interesting Tardis.
I like TARDIS trios! Though I hope the toddler routine is temporary! "What's that? Where's that? Why is that?"
Back to the story. Some lovely scenes riffing on the Superman dilemma, can he trust the one he loves with his secret. The rest was really repeating elements from Bells of St. John, the creepy head thing and every other mind control Who story that has gone before.
In summary, enjoyable but ultimately forgettable. Series 10 here we come...
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Post by jasonward on Dec 29, 2016 0:56:08 GMT
OK this thread has gathered 7 complaints in a matter of hours.
I'm closing the thread down until we can deal with it all.
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Post by jasonward on Dec 29, 2016 12:29:32 GMT
OK this thread has been reopened, please keep on topic.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 29, 2016 19:26:19 GMT
Also still with us Murray Gold's strangled cat version of the theme, astringent putting your teeth on edge. Yeah, it's definitely Murray Gold's weakest version of the theme. Should just use Peter Capaldi's amazing guitar version.
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Post by doctorkernow on Dec 29, 2016 22:16:03 GMT
Hello again. I agree with you dalekbuster523, that the Capaldi iteration of the Dr. Who them is my least favourite of Mr. Gold's compositions.
That said, as I have suggested before, I think its eye-watering stridency is deliberate. Capaldi certainly during Season 8, was a very antagonistic character,so I feel the theme puts the viewer on notice that these adventures are going to be anything but cosy.
I'm a great fan of Murray Gold's music and bought his seasons 2-6 on CD and played them to death!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 29, 2016 22:52:45 GMT
Hello again. I agree with you dalekbuster523, that the Capaldi iteration of the Dr. Who them is my least favourite of Mr. Gold's compositions. That said, as I have suggested before, I think its eye-watering stridency is deliberate. Capaldi certainly during Season 8, was a very antagonistic character,so I feel the theme puts the viewer on notice that these adventures are going to be anything but cosy. I'm a great fan of Murray Gold's music and bought his seasons 2-6 on CD and played them to death! His best music will always be Vale Decem. Sad but beautiful, as Ashildr would say.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 31, 2016 1:39:02 GMT
Just watched it and i really enjoyed it. Sure it wasnt great Doctor Who, but I've found some merely good episodes of DW better than the best of others. The Romance was played well. The script was funny in places. The Superhero element wasnt shoehorned in, it was a great pastiche/homage to certain things. Liked the Donner nods, though I also picked up some on Fleischer. The colour scheme, and even some of the Ghost scenes make think of the cartoons a little.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 21:45:53 GMT
I really enjoyed it. It was a fun romp that didn't have me bored and and gave me a smile on my face at all times. 8/10.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 1, 2017 18:49:03 GMT
Finally watched this actually really liked the love story and the two main guest characters. I am not entirely sold on Nardole as a regular yet. But the Doctor & Nardole almost seemed like an after thought in this.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 1, 2017 22:56:37 GMT
Finally watched this actually really liked the love story and the two main guest characters. I am not entirely sold on Nardole as a regular yet. But the Doctor & Nardole almost seemed like an after thought in this. I disagree, the Doctor and Nardole made complete sense in this episode to me. The Doctor was clearly upset from his last meeting with River and needed a distraction, hence why he reassembled Nardole and embarked on another adventure.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 2, 2017 1:36:17 GMT
Finally watched this actually really liked the love story and the two main guest characters. I am not entirely sold on Nardole as a regular yet. But the Doctor & Nardole almost seemed like an after thought in this. I disagree, the Doctor and Nardole made complete sense in this episode to me. The Doctor was clearly upset from his last meeting with River and needed a distraction, hence why he reassembled Nardole and embarked on another adventure. I didn't say they didn't make sense. I said they felt like an afterthought in this episode. I understand why the Doctor was there but they didn't seem important to the grand scheme of the episode besides the Doctor's relationship with Grant which was not the focus of this episode.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 1:57:08 GMT
I disagree, the Doctor and Nardole made complete sense in this episode to me. The Doctor was clearly upset from his last meeting with River and needed a distraction, hence why he reassembled Nardole and embarked on another adventure. I didn't say they didn't make sense. I said they felt like an afterthought in this episode. I understand why the Doctor was there but they didn't seem important to the grand scheme of the episode besides the Doctor's relationship with Grant which was not the focus of this episode. It was nicely like the classic series in that regard, the Doctor and his companion dropping in on someone else's life which has been puttering along without his interference. That was refreshing, but on the flip side it does feel a bit too much like he's a passenger in this story. I'm reminded of Kinda in that regard. It's a great story but what does the Doctor do that couldn't have been accomplished by someone else? At least he's not doing The Zygon Invasion thing where he basically stood around in the background reacting to things. I appreciated that he was given stuff to do here.
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Post by Ela on Jan 2, 2017 5:41:49 GMT
Finally got around to watching this episode. I have to say I enjoyed it quite a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 7:53:37 GMT
I didn't say they didn't make sense. I said they felt like an afterthought in this episode. I understand why the Doctor was there but they didn't seem important to the grand scheme of the episode besides the Doctor's relationship with Grant which was not the focus of this episode. It was nicely like the classic series in that regard, the Doctor and his companion dropping in on someone else's life which has been puttering along without his interference. That was refreshing, but on the flip side it does feel a bit too much like he's a passenger in this story. I'm reminded of Kinda in that regard. It's a great story but what does the Doctor do that couldn't have been accomplished by someone else? At least he's not doing The Zygon Invasion thing where he basically stood around in the background reacting to things. I appreciated that he was given stuff to do here. The Doctor and the TARDIS crew are pretty fundamental in Kinda. They cause the whole story in the first place as well as providing the solution.
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