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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 20, 2016 11:09:01 GMT
I always find it slightly bizarre when people want the Doctor to be completely different in each incarnation, but apparently hate the thought of the Master being played slightly differently, Delgrado was great as a sinister calculating Moriarty figure, but paying homage to his performance in each subsequent recast is more of an insult than tribute i.m.o, the Master has always been a very thin, generic villain anyway and only varies between sinister and calculating (Delgrado) or bat crap crazy (Simm-even Simm had issues with his performance) so there's not that much you can do with the character, for me the best Masters have been the ones who act as a polar opposite foil to their Doctor-and for me at least Missy is certainly one of the best, casting a actress in the role has certainly helped to freshen up the character i.m.o and he bonkers yet sinister Master acts as a great counterpoint to Capaldi's more reserved Doctor. I find it interesting that Simm wanted to play the part differently in The End of Time, but wasn't allowed to! - begs the question, why didn't he refuse to return?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 20, 2016 17:02:20 GMT
To be fair, and meaning no offence, why do you care? You don't like the new series anyway, and (judging by your previous comments here and elsewhere on the forum) you're not going to like this next series. Why monitor what/where the show is doing/going unless you are actually willing to have an open mind about it? I'll happily admit that I haven't particularly enjoyed the last few years of TV episodes - don't get me wrong, there have been some good ones! - but I don't feel it's necessary to question/complain about EVERYTHING that happens (apart from Missy - sorry, I'm one of those people, but my reasons are probably expressed by many other people on the internet, so I needn't repeat them here). All I'm trying to say is we understand your feelings towards the new series, and, generally, what you feel is wrong with it and why. While I'm not trying to limit open discussion (I'm all for that!), sometimes I feel you can go too far in stating the same things again and again, when it really isn't necessary. As, I have said before, I love the idea of a mysterious traveller in a police box that travels through time and space. Although, he is now a "madman in a box", and there is very little mystery about him left. (Moffat seems to love corroding away any mystery) As a BBC licence fee payer, I am entitled to get an actors monies worth. Capaldi is well paid, and should be a main character in every episode. I stopped watching Doctor Who "live", and watch later. (in the vain hope it improves) Capaldis Doctor isn't likeable ("Shut up, you don't get to name things"!) Yeah, thats appealing! even, if I repeat my statements, it tends to be because a poster has asked a question, or make a false statement. Lots of people on here don't like 2 or 3 different aspects of NuWho, I simply don't like more of them. Just like my explanation for why BF writers can't just write for NuWho (which you tried to poorly rebuttal by dragging Douglas Adams into this), it's all about contracts and scheduling. Capaldi had time between 9 and 10, so he was able to fit Paddington 2 into his schedule (because, in case you didn't realize, like many things, he has to live like the rest of us and make money). That's not even counting con appearances, interviews and charity work. Plus, Doctor lite episodes allow Capaldi or any other actor to have time off, which is important given how intense filming can be (and I can tell you from experience, rehearsals and set work are no picnic). So no, he wasn't buggering off, he was actually being pragmatic. Also, in response to why Simm came back, you basically answered it above: Who is a big name, he played an important character, and being on it can add substantial credit to an actor's career. Just look at Eccleston, Smith and Tenant: all have gone on to big stuff on TV and Hollywood thanks to the boost from the show. Plus, there may have been, again, contractual obligations for portrayals, or this pesky thing called continuity. Then again, for such a supposedly devoted fan, you've time and again demonstrated gross ignorance of how television production actually works. You've gone from merely expressing a negative opinion, which you can, to making claims about things work when you, simply put, don't have a clue.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 20, 2016 18:59:43 GMT
As, I have said before, I love the idea of a mysterious traveller in a police box that travels through time and space. Although, he is now a "madman in a box", and there is very little mystery about him left. (Moffat seems to love corroding away any mystery) As a BBC licence fee payer, I am entitled to get an actors monies worth. Capaldi is well paid, and should be a main character in every episode. I stopped watching Doctor Who "live", and watch later. (in the vain hope it improves) Capaldis Doctor isn't likeable ("Shut up, you don't get to name things"!) Yeah, thats appealing! even, if I repeat my statements, it tends to be because a poster has asked a question, or make a false statement. Lots of people on here don't like 2 or 3 different aspects of NuWho, I simply don't like more of them. Just like my explanation for why BF writers can't just write for NuWho (which you tried to poorly rebuttal by dragging Douglas Adams into this), it's all about contracts and scheduling. Capaldi had time between 9 and 10, so he was able to fit Paddington 2 into his schedule (because, in case you didn't realize, like many things, he has to live like the rest of us and make money). That's not even counting con appearances, interviews and charity work. Plus, Doctor lite episodes allow Capaldi or any other actor to have time off, which is important given how intense filming can be (and I can tell you from experience, rehearsals and set work are no picnic). So no, he wasn't buggering off, he was actually being pragmatic. Then again, for such a supposedly devoted fan, you've time and again demonstrated gross ignorance of how television production actually works. You've gone from merely expressing a negative opinion, which you can, to making claims about things work when you, simply put, don't have a clue. First, if I've read your first comment properly you probably misunderstood. I have no problem with BF writers writing for NuWho. Radio to tv is a natural progression. if you think that wrong, then thats not fair on those writers. My example about Douglas Adams, was that he wrote a radio series, then a book, then the tv series! Whats wrong with that? Capaldi has already had something like 7 or 8 months off since recording Husbands of River Song. How long does he need? Why they can't record in two blocks, with a break in the middle for the cast to rest is a mystery. I read that Capaldi is extremely well paid for his con appearances. Is he that desperate for money? And, tv is pretty much a closed industry. Do you know what all the Producers, Executive Producers, and Script Editors actually do? Do you know how television production actually works?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 20, 2016 20:57:26 GMT
Just like my explanation for why BF writers can't just write for NuWho (which you tried to poorly rebuttal by dragging Douglas Adams into this), it's all about contracts and scheduling. Capaldi had time between 9 and 10, so he was able to fit Paddington 2 into his schedule (because, in case you didn't realize, like many things, he has to live like the rest of us and make money). That's not even counting con appearances, interviews and charity work. Plus, Doctor lite episodes allow Capaldi or any other actor to have time off, which is important given how intense filming can be (and I can tell you from experience, rehearsals and set work are no picnic). So no, he wasn't buggering off, he was actually being pragmatic. Then again, for such a supposedly devoted fan, you've time and again demonstrated gross ignorance of how television production actually works. You've gone from merely expressing a negative opinion, which you can, to making claims about things work when you, simply put, don't have a clue. First, if I've read your first comment properly you probably misunderstood. I have no problem with BF writers writing for NuWho. Radio to tv is a natural progression. if you think that wrong, then thats not fair on those writers. My example about Douglas Adams, was that he wrote a radio series, then a book, then the tv series! Whats wrong with that? Capaldi has already had something like 7 or 8 months off since recording Husbands of River Song. How long does he need? Why they can't record in two blocks, with a break in the middle for the cast to rest is a mystery. I read that Capaldi is extremely well paid for his con appearances. Is he that desperate for money? And, tv is pretty much a closed industry. Do you know what all the Producers, Executive Producers, and Script Editors actually do? Do you know how television production actually works? I didn´t misunderstand a thing: I explained why BF writers are not usually first in line for hiring, and then you tried countering by saying 'But Adams wrote....', which, as I explained is not only inaccurate, but also out of date. Also, how do I know? These wonderful things called research, reading and talking to those who actually work inside it. Try it some time, then your misguided diatribes about production wouldn´t have the same vapidity as, ironically, some of Moffat´s scripts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 8:11:58 GMT
First, if I've read your first comment properly you probably misunderstood. I have no problem with BF writers writing for NuWho. Radio to tv is a natural progression. if you think that wrong, then thats not fair on those writers. My example about Douglas Adams, was that he wrote a radio series, then a book, then the tv series! Whats wrong with that? Capaldi has already had something like 7 or 8 months off since recording Husbands of River Song. How long does he need? Why they can't record in two blocks, with a break in the middle for the cast to rest is a mystery. I read that Capaldi is extremely well paid for his con appearances. Is he that desperate for money? And, tv is pretty much a closed industry. Do you know what all the Producers, Executive Producers, and Script Editors actually do? Do you know how television production actually works? I didn´t misunderstand a thing: I explained why BF writers are not usually first in line for hiring, and then you tried countering by saying 'But Adams wrote....', which, as I explained is not only inaccurate, but also out of date. Also, how do I know? These wonderful things called research, reading and talking to those who actually work inside it. Try it some time, then your misguided diatribes about production wouldn´t have the same vapidity as, ironically, some of Moffat´s scripts. Well, based on my research you make out like it's incredibly difficult. It's just like any other job.
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Post by aztec on Oct 21, 2016 8:45:18 GMT
I haven't seen the first film but I gather his role wasn't that big, in the sequel I'd assume much the same, probably an extended cameo or secondary supporting character, it may have been a contractual obligation and as most New Who series have a Doctor light episode built into the production schedule I wouldn't blame Capaldi for taking another job at the time whilst he can, I remember reading one of the reasons Series 10 was delayed was because of a knee injury Capaldi sustained during S9. Why have a Doctor-lite episode in the first place? There's no Doctor Who until sometime next year! Because Capaldi is only human, it allows the focus to switch to the companion for an episode and gives room in the schedule for an experimental episode, there has been at least one Doctor lite episode every series since 2006, each Who episode takes three or four weeks to film, IIRC it's mostly shot in single camera and they are probably working 10-14 hour days six days a week for eight or nine months at a time plus all the rehearsals interviews, post production stuff, so I can't blame them for taking time off, Matt Smith was half Capaldi's age and stated exhaustion from the grueling schedules as one of his reasons for leaving...
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 21, 2016 12:01:05 GMT
I didn´t misunderstand a thing: I explained why BF writers are not usually first in line for hiring, and then you tried countering by saying 'But Adams wrote....', which, as I explained is not only inaccurate, but also out of date. Also, how do I know? These wonderful things called research, reading and talking to those who actually work inside it. Try it some time, then your misguided diatribes about production wouldn´t have the same vapidity as, ironically, some of Moffat´s scripts. Well, based on my research you make out like it's incredibly difficult. It's just like any other job. And it's not? I'd really love for you to walk onto a set and tell someone what they do is like 'any other job'. Film and TV work is some of the most difficult non-military/security work out there.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 21, 2016 13:57:14 GMT
Well, based on my research you make out like it's incredibly difficult. It's just like any other job. And it's not? I'd really love for you to walk onto a set and tell someone what they do is like 'any other job'. Film and TV work is some of the most difficult non-military/security work out there. Qualified people should know how to do their job!
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Post by mark687 on Oct 21, 2016 14:54:29 GMT
And it's not? I'd really love for you to walk onto a set and tell someone what they do is like 'any other job'. Film and TV work is some of the most difficult non-military/security work out there. Qualified people should know how to do their job! Well they are qualified they just don't do it how some people think it should be done.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 21, 2016 23:01:32 GMT
And it's not? I'd really love for you to walk onto a set and tell someone what they do is like 'any other job'. Film and TV work is some of the most difficult non-military/security work out there. Qualified people should know how to do their job! And last I checked, Moffat isn't directing, acting, filming, lighting, doing the music, the catering, building the sets, special effects, hiring locations or drawing storyboards.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 22, 2016 10:11:23 GMT
Qualified people should know how to do their job! And last I checked, Moffat isn't directing, acting, filming, lighting, doing the music, the catering, building the sets, special effects, hiring locations or drawing storyboards. He should maybe change careers, then!
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 22, 2016 14:34:25 GMT
And last I checked, Moffat isn't directing, acting, filming, lighting, doing the music, the catering, building the sets, special effects, hiring locations or drawing storyboards. He should maybe change careers, then! I don't think anyone can do all of that stuff.
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Post by aztec on Oct 22, 2016 15:54:10 GMT
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Post by eldersensorite on Oct 22, 2016 16:28:03 GMT
Yeah, he's pretty great. I spent most of yesterday bingeing on Season 3 of Black Mirror.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 16:28:56 GMT
He's a great writer. Some of the Black Mirror eps show how fantastical some of his hard sci-fi would be, but the likes of A Touch Of Cloth show the silliness he also embraces and Newswipe shows the satire. Yeah...Brooker would be a good writer for Who. Maybe one day.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 22, 2016 16:32:45 GMT
Writer of Black Mirror, a Touch of cloth and Screen Wipe (in the latter he makes "funny" digs at popular shows and news topics including DW, though he is supposed to be a "fan")
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 22, 2016 18:09:57 GMT
I kind of feel like Charlie Brooker would be better for Class or Torchwood than Doctor Who. I don't know if his tone/style would suit the main series.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 23:05:17 GMT
Writer of Black Mirror, a Touch of cloth and Screen Wipe (in the latter he makes "funny" digs at popular shows and news topics including DW, though he is supposed to be a "fan")
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In Series 1 of Screen Wipe he calls DW "brilliant" and "One of the best things the BBC has ever done" - so I think his bona fides check out for being a fan. He did poke fun sometimes but so do we. In the same episode he told the audience that if they liked Doctor Who they should check out Sapphire & Steel, Quatermass and Day Of The Triffids - so he's got the same kind of taste as quite a lot of us, I think.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 22, 2016 23:19:46 GMT
Writer of Black Mirror, a Touch of cloth and Screen Wipe (in the latter he makes "funny" digs at popular shows and news topics including DW, though he is supposed to be a "fan")
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In Series 1 of Screen Wipe he calls DW "brilliant" and "One of the best things the BBC has ever done" - so I think his bona fides check out for being a fan. He did poke fun sometimes but so do we. In the same episode he told the audience that if they liked Doctor Who they should check out Sapphire & Steel, Quatermass and Day Of The Triffids - so he's got the same kind of taste as quite a lot of us, I think.
Having re-watched the Screenwipe bits on Youtube
I partly Apologise to Mr Brooker but I don't think he'd write for it anytime soon, and if he did it'd be one of the most debated ever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 23:31:28 GMT
Something niggling does tell me he did criticise the show later on in the RTD-run or early Moffat years Mark but on searching I couldn't see anything.
I think you're right, he'd only do it if he got to write a big ideas episode and even then I think he'll be rather busy in the next few years. There are more than a couple of episodes of Black Mirror that could be Doctor Who stories - though they're much. much more adult and hard-edged than Who. Someone on the old forum called Black Mirror the sort of show Andrew Cartmel thought he was making in the late 80s with it's cynical and dystopian stories and I don't think that's too far off. 2000AD and JG Ballard clearly influenced Black Mirror and the McCoy era both in very different ways.
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