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Post by bobod on Apr 25, 2017 10:30:35 GMT
It doesn't matter how old something is - if someone is JUST ABOUT to listen to something, NEVER tell them about it, let them find out themselves. We'll need to revise the plans to do a Twilight Zone watch through sometime. It frankly *astonishes* me the things people are prepared to say when they see someone say "I'm about to watch .... for the first time", just because it's an old TV show. I saw someone say they'd just watched the first episode of Secret Army and remarked on how many Doctor Who actors were in that episode - they got a reply from someone telling them who was a regular and who they'd never see again. WHY WOULD DO YOU THAT? JUST LET THEM WATCH THE BLOODY THING AND FIND OUT. And as for the people who say "wait till the episode where..."
Or telling people "that's got a really good twist" - NOT ANY MORE IT HASN'T. I'M GOING TO WATCH THE ENTIRE MOVIE WONDERING WHAT THE TWIST IS. AND BEING LESS SURPRISED WHEN IT HAPPENS.
And if anyone says "but it's however many years old", I will get whatever show it is and hit them over the head with it the same number of times as those years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 10:46:57 GMT
We'll need to revise the plans to do a Twilight Zone watch through sometime. It frankly *astonishes* me the things people are prepared to say when they see someone say "I'm about to watch .... for the first time", just because it's an old TV show. I saw someone say they'd just watched the first episode of Secret Army and remarked on how many Doctor Who actors were in that episode - they got a reply from someone telling them who was a regular and who they'd never see again. WHY WOULD DO YOU THAT? JUST LET THEM WATCH THE BLOODY THING AND FIND OUT. And as for the people who say "wait till the episode where..."
Or telling people "that's got a really good twist" - NOT ANY MORE IT HASN'T. I'M GOING TO WATCH THE ENTIRE MOVIE WONDERING WHAT THE TWIST IS. AND BEING LESS SURPRISED WHEN IT HAPPENS.
And if anyone says "but it's however many years old", I will get whatever show it is and hit them over the head with it the same number of times as those years.
Yeah, when I was a year late to the Game Of Thrones party, I posted on FB saying "I'm loving *redacted* in this" and someone replied "Don't get too attached, he's only got a few eps left!" Why? Why? Why? If you know I'm watching it for the first time anyway, why do that? I think the most odd Secret Army moment I had was going "Is that....Cliff Clavin from Cheers?" and sure enough, surrounded by all these rep luvvies was John Ratzenberger. And, yeah, the "X number of years" thing reminds me of Ted Turner's quote: "If they ain't seen it, it's new to them". (which was referring to accusations his channel had too many repeats but the principle is the same)
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Post by omega on Apr 25, 2017 10:48:58 GMT
We'll need to revise the plans to do a Twilight Zone watch through sometime. It frankly *astonishes* me the things people are prepared to say when they see someone say "I'm about to watch .... for the first time", just because it's an old TV show. I saw someone say they'd just watched the first episode of Secret Army and remarked on how many Doctor Who actors were in that episode - they got a reply from someone telling them who was a regular and who they'd never see again. WHY WOULD DO YOU THAT? JUST LET THEM WATCH THE BLOODY THING AND FIND OUT. And as for the people who say "wait till the episode where..."
Or telling people "that's got a really good twist" - NOT ANY MORE IT HASN'T. I'M GOING TO WATCH THE ENTIRE MOVIE WONDERING WHAT THE TWIST IS. AND BEING LESS SURPRISED WHEN IT HAPPENS.
And if anyone says "but it's however many years old", I will get whatever show it is and hit them over the head with it the same number of times as those years.
It was only a few weeks ago I saw Princess Bride for the first time. Probably due to having moved around a lot growing up it just passed me by. Did not stop people meeting that news with utterances of "Inconceivable!" Many people do consider that there's a statute of limitations on TV shows and movies, especially if some of the twists and developments have been absorbed into the pop culture osmosis. Darth Vader's revelation in Empire Strikes Back for example, or the reveal in Planet of the Apes. Sometimes its because it's the character's origin story, or traits they develop later become so well recognised and associated with them. Some of the big twists around season 5 and 6 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer are considered fair game because of the age and magnitude. This even applies to Dark Shadows. Barnabas is the vampire (doesn't really count, since he was a vampire from the start), Angelique is the witch who was spurned by him and turned him into a vampire and Quentin is the werewolf. As these aspects of the characters are what they are known for, it can be a bit jarring to first encounter them before they reach that state.
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Post by bobod on Apr 25, 2017 11:13:54 GMT
That's the very opposite of what I'm saying though. I'm saying there's always someone who hasn't seen something. If you'd said "I'm about to watch The Princess Bride for the first time" and someone replied telling you about what would happen in it, I'd have said that was a rotten thing to do to you. If you're in a thread *about* The Princess Bride and haven't seen it then that's your own fault, you should expect to see content in there, but in these circumstances the blame is very much on them.
"Statute of limitations" or not - and I've always thought that a phenomenally over-blown phrase to use about *TV* - that all goes straight out the window when someone says "I'm about to watch ... for the first time" or "I've never seen...". In those circumstances one has been told that there is a chance the person watching is about to experience the piece and may not content so one doesn't tell them it. And one especially doesn't tell them and then say "well it's an old film so...."
Imagine someone saying "I've never seen Citizen Kane" or "I'm about to watch Citizen Kane for the first time" and someone else telling them what the meaning of Kane's last words are, and then saying "well it came out in 1941".
In the last few years, there's been some spectacular examples of this on Twitter. Robert Webb tweeted about enjoying a book he was currently reading and got the reply "I couldn't believe it when she died" and Colin Baker tweeted about being on the last season of a TV show and loving it and someone tweeted him to tell him which characters would be dead before the show ended.
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Post by omega on Apr 25, 2017 11:22:56 GMT
That's the very opposite of what I'm saying though. I'm saying there's always someone who hasn't seen something If you'd said "I'm about to watch The Princess Bride for the first time" and someone replied telling you about what would happen in it, I'd have said that was a rotten thing to do to you.
Many people do consider that there's a statute of limitations on TV shows and movies, especially if some of the twists and developments have been absorbed into the pop culture osmosis. Darth Vader's revelation in Empire Strikes Back for example, or the reveal in Planet of the Apes. Sometimes its because it's the character's origin story, or traits they develop later become so well recognised and associated with them. Some of the big twists around season 5 and 6 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer are considered fair game because of the age and magnitude. This even applies to Dark Shadows. Barnabas is the vampire (doesn't really count, since he was a vampire from the start), Angelique is the witch who was spurned by him and turned him into a vampire and Quentin is the werewolf. As these aspects of the characters are what they are known for, it can be a bit jarring to first encounter them before they reach that state. "Statute of limitations" or not - and I've always thought that a phenomenally over-blown phrase to use about *TV* - that all goes straight out the window when someone says "I'm about to watch ... for the first time" or "I've never seen...". In those circumstances one has been told that there is a chance the person watching does not know the twist so one doesn't tell them it. And one especially doesn't tell them and then say "well it's an old film so...."
Imagine someone saying "I've never seen Citizen Kane" or "I'm about to watch Citizen Kane for the first time" and someone else telling them what the meaning of Kane's last words are, and then saying "well it came out in 1941".
In the last few years, there's been some spectacular examples of this on Twitter. Robert Webb tweeted about enjoying a book he was currently reading and got the reply "I couldn't believe it when she died" and Colin Baker tweeted about being on the last season of a TV show and loving it and someone tweeted him to tell him which characters would be dead before the show ended.
Big Bang Theory did an episode where Leonard was reading Harry Potter for the first time and Sheldon spoiled some things for him. Even though you should keep your mouth shut it can be difficult to not spill or filter any potential spoilers. People can have different thresholds for what constitutes a spoiler, further muddying the water. Obviously [this character] dies is clearly in spoiler territory, but something like the vague (as in no names or specifics mentioned) nature of an event is YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) regarding spoiler status.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 11:29:13 GMT
Also, if someone spoiled Season 5 of Buffy for anyone getting into it, they should be shot at...dawn.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 11:31:39 GMT
Imagine someone saying "I've never seen Citizen Kane" or "I'm about to watch Citizen Kane for the first time" and someone else telling them what the meaning of Kane's last words are, and then saying "well it came out in 1941".
What a twist it was too - who would have suspected Joseph Cotton was a ghost the whole time and Agnes Moorhead's character was a man???
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Post by omega on Apr 25, 2017 11:35:30 GMT
Just wondering, if the show doesn't make a big secret out of the season's big bad, do you still consider that a spoiler regardless of age? If the season starts out with a big villain who lasts the whole season, not if the main villain gets killed off partway through or a character not initially publicised as being the villain is revealed. How about the general premise? If you were going to watch Get Smart and I said [redacted] would be a recurring antagonist, would you call me out for spoilers? {Spoiler} And by redacted I'm referring to the organisation KAOS.
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Post by bobod on Apr 25, 2017 11:46:14 GMT
Also, if someone spoiled Season 5 of Buffy for anyone getting into it, they should be shot at...dawn. Thank you for not doing a "crack of Dawn" gag.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 11:48:55 GMT
Also, if someone spoiled Season 5 of Buffy for anyone getting into it, they should be shot at...dawn. Thank you for not doing a "crack of Dawn" gag. I think we all filled our boots 7 years ago with "Amy's crack" jokes. Especially when The Doctor got his hands on it!
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Post by bobod on Apr 25, 2017 11:53:55 GMT
Imagine someone saying "I've never seen Citizen Kane" or "I'm about to watch Citizen Kane for the first time" and someone else telling them what the meaning of Kane's last words are, and then saying "well it came out in 1941".
What a twist it was too - who would have suspected Joseph Cotton was a ghost the whole time and Agnes Moorhead's character was a man???
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Post by bobod on Apr 25, 2017 11:54:32 GMT
Thank you for not doing a "crack of Dawn" gag. I think we all filled our boots 7 years ago with "Amy's crack" jokes. Especially when The Doctor got his hands on it! Rory disappeared into it for a couple of weeks, didn't he?
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Post by omega on Apr 25, 2017 11:57:37 GMT
Anyone want to talk about Part One of Kingdom of the Dead?
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 25, 2017 20:12:20 GMT
Really enjoyed my re-listen to The Rage Beneath several days ago. It reinforced my notion even further that the storytelling in this early series is slightly compromised by introductions and just getting things up and running again within the available run time. This one feels the most like an adventure to me and it's not really for lack of good storytelling in the preceding installments. It's the first of the four where I wasn't desperately wishing the story went on longer and it seemed extremely well paced for that.
I know spooky pirate stuff has been done and done again, but it is very fitting for Collinsport and it managed to seem fresh enough here - which I think is no small feat in itself. Agreed that Kathryn Leigh Scott did a brilliant job here making pirate songs seem remarkably creepy. It was very pleasing that relations between Maggie and Willie continue to move in a direction, wherever it may lead. I'm increasingly grateful that Robert Rodan was recruited for this. I really enjoyed his performance and especially with John Karlen also on board, it really, really made me want to re-watch the whole Adam story arc. It would be a challenge, but I might even try to make time somehow to do just that. A couple of episodes a day if nothing else, maybe.
Pretty sure The Rage Beneath is my favorite of the four stories, and that should be saying something for as much as I think of them all. Especially the first one just for containing the utterance, "Barnabas lives!" - as far as I'm concerned, that's probably the best line you can ever hear in Dark Shadows. :-)
Very much looking forward to hearing David Warner (and David Collins!) in KOTD.
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 25, 2017 20:17:26 GMT
Thank you for not doing a "crack of Dawn" gag. I think we all filled our boots 7 years ago with "Amy's crack" jokes. Especially when The Doctor got his hands on it! I am so proud of myself that I never would have thought of that. Apparently I have a small speck of maturity after all, which comes as quite a surprise.
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Post by bobod on Apr 28, 2017 11:02:57 GMT
I definitely detect the influence of Joe Lidster now. Things like the opening montage and the use of revisited scenes with someone else delivering another character's dialogue feel very Joe. And there's just more for the listener to get excited about than there had been in the first season.
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Post by kimalysong on Apr 28, 2017 14:20:51 GMT
I listened to the first 3 stories and I am really enjoying it. I think having a full cast story as one long story is a much better approach than having 4 almost separate stories as the 1st season did. If there is one flaw I will say I kind of wish they didn't include the stuff with Dr. Rankin. It's not that I didn't enjoy that storyline; I just feel it distracts too much from the main story with Seraph. I guess I personally like when my stories are a bit tighter and don't have side plots. Although I did quite enjoy the reveal of David Collins What I do like about this story is everyone is very flawed here and it's impossible to know when loyalties will switch: when friends will become enemies and enemies will become friends. That creates very interesting drama and some great character moments. Honestly I have no idea where the story will end up. That makes the whole thing very exciting for me and I am looking forward to listening to the final part.
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Post by bobod on Apr 28, 2017 14:28:53 GMT
I just want to listen to Bloodlust now.
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Post by kimalysong on Apr 28, 2017 14:46:45 GMT
I just want to listen to Bloodlust now. Bloodlust is even better so if the trend continues I can't wait to hear Bloodline!
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Post by Trace on Apr 29, 2017 3:51:48 GMT
Are we on part 1 of KotD? I've been away for much of the past two weeks, so must catch up. I had finished The Rage Beneath and commented on it, but have not started KotD yet....I think we're on 1 and will be on 2 starting Monday, yes?
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