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Post by omega on Apr 29, 2017 4:34:53 GMT
Are we on part 1 of KotD? I've been away for much of the past two weeks, so must catch up. I had finished The Rage Beneath and commented on it, but have not started KotD yet....I think we're on 1 and will be on 2 starting Monday, yes? Yep, that's right. I will be posting the synopses from the back of the CD cases, so Parts 2, 3 and 4 may provide mild spoilers on directions the story takes.
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Post by kimalysong on Apr 29, 2017 10:53:58 GMT
Well I found the ending of Kingdom of the Dead slightly disappointing though it was interesting in how it set up events for Bloodlust. Bloodlust actually does some of the things that I was hoping KOD would do (have the characters really talk) . I think I was most disappointed how Barnabas, Angelique and Quentin never talked about what happened in episode 1. And I thought Maggie was drawn just a bit too sanctimonious here. Although again Bloodlust deals with this issue quite nicely. But it was interesting to see how Susan died Thiugh one thing that did surprise me that I didn't get from Bloodlust was that Susan & Quentin had a sort of relationshio Despite a disappointing conclusion, maybe because it was setting up the next story in many ways I did overall enjoy KOD and all the heightened drama. And of course David Warner was fantastic as Seraph.
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Post by omega on May 3, 2017 10:00:49 GMT
Kingdom of the Dead Part 2 Released June 2010 (as part of the box set) and August 2010 (individual CD)Synopsis“This is clearly a night for games...”Freed from his prison in the Underworld, Seraph begins to establish himself in Collinsport, aided by his new acolyte Reverend Hartswood. Quentin returns to Collinwood a score to settle, beginning a dangerous conflict with Barnabas and Angelique. Meanwhile Maggie begins her treatment at the Windcliff Institute, presided over by the mysterious Dr. Rankin. But what is the secret behind her therapy? Written By: Stuart Manning and Eric Wallace Directed By: Darren Gross CAST:David Warner as SeraphDavid Selby as Quentin CollinsAndrew Collins as Barnabas CollinsLara Parker as Angelique CollinsJohn Karlen as Willie LoomisJames Storm as Sheriff HaggertyJamison Selby as Ed GriffinKathryn Leigh Scott as Maggie EvansUrsula Burton as Susan GriffinJerry Lacy as Reverend HartswoodAlec Newman as OrderlyLysette Anthony as Dr. RankinLizzie Hopley as Street WalkerTechnical DetailsWritten By: Stuart Manning and Eric Wallace Director: Darren Gross Sound Design: David Darlington Music: Sam Watts Cover Art: Stuart Manning Number of Discs: 1 Duration: 60' approx Physical Retail ISBN: 978-1-84435-440-5 Production Code: BFPDSCD06 Recorded Dates: 10 January, 6 & 20 February, 2, 7 & 14 March 2010 Product Format: 1-disc CD (jewel case)
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Post by bobod on May 3, 2017 10:05:18 GMT
ARGH - I haven't had time this week yet. I've had (non-DS related) research to do.
That's reminded me I need to do this.
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Post by Trace on May 4, 2017 1:54:08 GMT
ARGH - I haven't had time this week yet. I've had (non-DS related) research to do. That's reminded me I need to do this. Same here! I am behind and need to do both KotD parts 1 and 2! Aargh!!! I need life to slow down a bit.
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Post by omega on May 8, 2017 6:18:49 GMT
2.3 Kingdom of the Dead Part 3 Released July 2010 (box set) and September 2010 (individual CD)Synopsis“One enchanted evening awaits all...”Posing a long-lost relative of Maggie's, Seraph invites the people of Collinsport to a masquerade ball. Quentin is shocked to discover a mutilated body at Collinwood, beginning a dangerous chain of events. Angelique worries about Barnabas' newfound interest in Susan Griffin. Meanwhile, as the revelers gather for the festivities, a dark force stalks the street, ready to make its presence felt. Written By: Stuart Manning and Eric Wallace Directed By: Darren Gross CAST:David Warner as SeraphDavid Selby as Quentin CollinsAndrew Collins as Barnabas CollinsLara Parker as Angelique CollinsJohn Karlen as Willie LoomisJames Storm as Sheriff HaggertyJamison Selby as Ed GriffinKathryn Leigh Scott as Maggie EvansUrsula Burton as Susan GriffinJerry Lacy as Reverend HartswoodAlec Newman as David CollinsJames Storm as Sheriff HaggertyRichard Halpern as AnnouncerTechnical DetailsWritten By: Stuart Manning and Eric Wallace Director: Darren Gross Sound Design: David Darlington Music: Sam Watts Cover Art: Stuart Manning Number of Discs: 1 Duration: 60' approx Physical Retail ISBN: 978-1-84435-441-2 Production Code: BFPDSCD07 Recorded Dates: 10 January, 6 & 20 February, 2, 7 & 14 March 2010 Product Format: 1-disc CD (jewel case)
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Post by bobod on May 8, 2017 9:35:34 GMT
Just noticed this - Just 'Angelique' surely.
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Post by omega on May 8, 2017 9:44:14 GMT
Just noticed this - Just 'Angelique' surely. As she argues in Final Judgement, she did marry Barnabas. It's brought up again in Part 2 of Kingdom of the Dead, where Barnabas retorts that it was under duress. Angie is still gonna cling to what she can. She was also engaged to Quentin, and in her Cassandra alias did marry Roger. In Roger's defense, he was under her influence.
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Post by bobod on May 8, 2017 9:50:27 GMT
Just noticed this - Just 'Angelique' surely. As she argues in Final Judgement, she did marry Barnabas. It's brought up again in Part 2 of Kingdom of the Dead, where Barnabas retorts that it was under duress. Angie is still gonna cling to what she can. She was also engaged to Quentin, and in her Cassandra alias did marry Roger. In Roger's defense, he was under her influence. I know all these things. I just meant that her credit is always just "Angelique".
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Post by omega on May 8, 2017 10:16:29 GMT
As she argues in Final Judgement, she did marry Barnabas. It's brought up again in Part 2 of Kingdom of the Dead, where Barnabas retorts that it was under duress. Angie is still gonna cling to what she can. She was also engaged to Quentin, and in her Cassandra alias did marry Roger. In Roger's defense, he was under her influence. I know all these things. I just meant that her credit is always just "Angelique". The TV show would vary between what she was credited as. 368/369 to 396 she was Angelique Bouchard, and from 397 to 665 (the return to 1796 run of episodes) she was credited as Angelique Bouchard Collins. There are a couple of episodes in that gap, 463 and 464, where she did voice only and was credited as Angelique Collins. During 1897 it varies between Angelique and Angelique Bouchard Collins. 924 to 978 she's Angelique Rumson (11 episodes). For 1840 it's back to Angelique Bouchard Collins. 1198 is the final appearance of the character (as well as Barnabas, Julia and Elizabeth), as well as the final episode set in the main Time Band and the present day time frame. So she actually has more episodes where she's credited as Angelique Bouchard Collins (87, as opposed to the 22 as Angelique Bouchard).
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Post by bobod on May 8, 2017 10:19:57 GMT
I know all these things. I just meant that her credit is always just "Angelique". The TV show would vary between what she was credited as. 368/369 to 396 she was Angelique Bouchard, and from 397 to 665 (the return to 1796 run of episodes) she was credited as Angelique Bouchard Collins. There are a couple of episodes in that gap, 463 and 464, where she did voice only and was credited as Angelique Collins. During 1897 it varies between Angelique and Angelique Bouchard Collins. 924 to 978 she's Angelique Rumson (11 episodes). For 1840 it's back to Angelique Bouchard Collins. 1198 is the final appearance of the character (as well as Barnabas, Julia and Elizabeth), as well as the final episode set in the main Time Band and the present day time frame. So she actually has more episodes where she's credited as Angelique Bouchard Collins (87, as opposed to the 22 as Angelique Bouchard). When do you sleep?
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Post by omega on May 8, 2017 10:25:35 GMT
The TV show would vary between what she was credited as. 368/369 to 396 she was Angelique Bouchard, and from 397 to 665 (the return to 1796 run of episodes) she was credited as Angelique Bouchard Collins. There are a couple of episodes in that gap, 463 and 464, where she did voice only and was credited as Angelique Collins. During 1897 it varies between Angelique and Angelique Bouchard Collins. 924 to 978 she's Angelique Rumson (11 episodes). For 1840 it's back to Angelique Bouchard Collins. 1198 is the final appearance of the character (as well as Barnabas, Julia and Elizabeth), as well as the final episode set in the main Time Band and the present day time frame. So she actually has more episodes where she's credited as Angelique Bouchard Collins (87, as opposed to the 22 as Angelique Bouchard). When do you sleep? Soon, it's 25 past ten at the moment and I have work in the morning. This comes from the spreadsheet I did a few months ago.
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Post by barnabasbytes on May 11, 2017 20:05:38 GMT
I don't remember seeing this picture at the DS wiki re: "Kingdom of the Dead." Maybe it's in the CDs and I didn't open the jewel case. Attachments:
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Post by bobod on May 11, 2017 20:22:10 GMT
Just noticed this - Just 'Angelique' surely. As she argues in Final Judgement, she did marry Barnabas. It's brought up again in Part 2 of Kingdom of the Dead, where Barnabas retorts that it was under duress. Angie is still gonna cling to what she can. She was also engaged to Quentin, and in her Cassandra alias did marry Roger. In Roger's defense, he was under her influence. At the start of Blood & Fire, she is adamant - 'I AM NOT A COLLINS'.
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Post by Trace on May 14, 2017 21:31:31 GMT
I have just caught up in our group listen, having completed up through KotD Part III to ready myself for this week's KotD Part IV. Thoughts before continuing: (and this is a bit difficult for me, having listened to this many times before, and given full reviews at the time.) 1. How much I loved Ursula Burton's Susan Griffin in KotD.
2. It was really nice to see allies as enemies, and enemies becoming necessary allies
3. Wasn't Lizzie Hopley's "street walker" a trippy joy?
4. I'm STILL confused as to whether Rev. Isaiah Trask is the same person as 1897's Rev. Gregory Trask. The Carrion Queen, The Poisoned Soul and Fall of the House of Trask bring Rev. Gregory Trask back into the storyline in 1941....and due to circumstances, he is un-aged at that time. Fast forward 42 years to Eagle Hill Cemetery's caretaker Rev. Hartswood. I don't know about anyone else, but my first thought when hearing him was, "It's Gregory Trask, now aged to an old man"....then when Seraph reveals him as Rev. Isaiah Trask, I was scratching my head going, "WHO???" And I scratched it all through KotD, all through Bloodlust and all through the years between and since! And have still never received an understandable explanation as to who, what and why? Why the need to create a new Trask, when one is already alive and ready and age appropriate to fit the bill? Or, are they really the same person? or maybe father and son/grandfather and grandson? Or maybe it's left intentionally vague....Trask men seem to father illegitimate sons (who somehow bear the same last name--Trask--except for Tony Peterson, and the jury's still out on whether he's a Trask descendent or not--perhaps more to come in October with The Tony & Cassandra Mysteries!)
5. Willie and Maggie are so very sweet here, with oodles of chemistry...and perfectly re-capture that old magic (Willie's love for and protection of her, and Maggie's deep enduring feeling of friendship, shared experience and caring for him.)
6. More Alec Newman please. Which I know we'll be getting soon in Bloodline. Loved him as the Sandman, Nathan Hawkins and of course, David Collins. His flawless American accent is impressive--without even a hint that it's not his mother tongue!
7. At the time, this was a massive undertaking which blew the fans away, including me. Of course, Bloodlust took the full-cast concept to unimaginable heights and managed to build on and top the success of KotD by embracing the true serial format and doing it so beautifully. In a post-Bloodlust world, KotD is smaller, more intimate, and on an entirely different scale than the magically woven and complex Bloodlust. But, it's still a tightly crafted drama switching characters and storyline arcs back and forth over the course of the 4 parts. It continued on nicely from The Rage Beneath and managed to get good cliffhangers at the end of parts 1, 2 and 3 and then the motherlode at the end of 4, which I have not re-listened to yet. That's this week--but most of all, before I do that, I want to hear the new short story collection Dreams of Long Ago first. I'm chomping at the bit!
Edit: 8. Rev. Trask: "The light of the Lord will guide us!!" Sheriff Haggerty: "That's a flashlight!"
PRICELESS!!
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Post by Zagreus on May 14, 2017 22:02:12 GMT
I'm STILL confused as to whether Rev. Isaiah Trask is the same person as 1897's Rev. Gregory Trask. The Carrion Queen, The Poisoned Soul and Fall of the House of Trask bring Rev. Gregory Trask back into the storyline in 1941....and due to circumstances, he is un-aged at that time. Fast forward 42 years to Eagle Hill Cemetery's caretaker Rev. Hartswood. I don't know about anyone else, but my first thought when hearing him was, "It's Gregory Trask, now aged to an old man"....then when Seraph reveals him as Rev. Isaiah Trask, I was scratching my head going, "WHO???" And I scratched it all through KotD, all through Bloodlust and all through the years between and since! And have still never received an understandable explanation as to who, what and why? Why the need to create a new Trask, when one is already alive and ready and age appropriate to fit the bill? Or, are they really the same person? or maybe father and son/grandfather and grandson? Or maybe it's left intentionally vague....Trask men seem to father illegitimate sons (who somehow bear the same last name--Trask--except for Tony Peterson, and the jury's still out on whether he's a Trask descendent or not--perhaps more to come in October with The Tony & Cassandra Mysteries!) Beyond the supposition that he must logically be the main timeband version of the minister that Lacey played in House of Dark Shadows (remember, The Flip Side established the films as alternate time bands), I too am still waiting on a proper and satisfying resolution to the question of "Just who was the Reverend Isaiah Hartswood Trask?" In many ways, he was the most tragic of Trasks. He was truly the servant of God, or someone approximating God anyway, and wasn't the Dark Lord's messenger, as many of his forebears were, and yet, he was still made to do horrible things, but managed to help and do good despite that. He was basically Angelique's Willy Loomis, and I'm going to be very sad if we never see him again.
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Post by Trace on May 14, 2017 22:43:37 GMT
He was basically Angelique's Willy Loomis, and I'm going to be very sad if we never see him again. As Barnabas once said to Burke: "What an interesting observation." I like your analogy. Angelique has had quite a few of those. Ben Stokes, Joe Haskell, Tony Peterson, Sebastian Shaw....men in her thrall to do her bidding....just to name a few! As for Trask--he also served as Seraph's version of Willie Loomis too.
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Post by Zagreus on May 15, 2017 2:01:24 GMT
He was basically Angelique's Willy Loomis, and I'm going to be very sad if we never see him again. As Barnabas once said to Burke: "What an interesting observation." I like your analogy. Angelique has had quite a few of those. Ben Stokes, Joe Haskell, Tony Peterson, Sebastian Shaw....men in her thrall to do her bidding....just to name a few! As for Trask--he also served as Seraph's version of Willie Loomis too. I meant more Willy Loomis as he is "now", a friend who chooses to still be a servant, out of compassion. I got the impression that Isaiah could have divorced himself from her if he wanted, but it was very clear that they were two proud but destitute souls who only had each other. I really hope one of these readings, or even Bloodline, fills us in a bit on the mysteries surrounding his life.
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Post by barnabasbytes on May 15, 2017 5:27:56 GMT
I'm STILL confused as to whether Rev. Isaiah Trask is the same person as 1897's Rev. Gregory Trask. The Carrion Queen, The Poisoned Soul and Fall of the House of Trask bring Rev. Gregory Trask back into the storyline in 1941....and due to circumstances, he is un-aged at that time. Fast forward 42 years to Eagle Hill Cemetery's caretaker Rev. Hartswood. I don't know about anyone else, but my first thought when hearing him was, "It's Gregory Trask, now aged to an old man"....then when Seraph reveals him as Rev. Isaiah Trask, I was scratching my head going, "WHO???"
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Post by barnabasbytes on May 15, 2017 5:30:02 GMT
It's been a while since I heard it, but I thought Gregory was a ghost in Fall of the House of Trask or, in any event, incapable of a full life after that. If he was alive and could be killed as in Bloodlust, it couldn't have been the same Trask. Gregory would have never lived past 1950.
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