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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 11, 2016 4:04:20 GMT
So most of the Electors overruled their citizens then?
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No, it doesn't work that way... in all but a couple of states, whoever wins that state gets all of that's state's Electors. Trump simply won enough states to get the Electoral Collage majority he needed. I'm not really needing cheering up over this. I didn't vote at all, I knew my state was going for Trump (I just checked, Trump had 70% of the vote here, which was his biggest margin in any state) and if I had voted, I probably would not have punched anyone for President, as I don't care at all for Hilary. And I've thought Trump has been coming off like a bad joke for months with a lot of his comments. However... he is a successful businessman and... back in the 90's I voted for Perot, twice, for that same reason. So I'll give him a chance to see what he actually does with the job before I form any further opinion. You should always vote, even if you don't think your vote will make a difference. You may not care for Clinton, but at least she hasn't called to ban an entire religion from entering the country, or called an entire nationality rapists, or boasted about not paying taxes, or boasted about grabbing women by the pussy. I would rather have a distasteful president than a deplorable president. And, I think Trump has gone bankrupt too many times to be called a successful businessman. And even if he was am amazing businessman, America isn't a business.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 11, 2016 4:06:52 GMT
So most of the Electors overruled their citizens then?
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No, it doesn't work that way... in all but a couple of states, whoever wins that state gets all of that's state's Electors. Trump simply won enough states to get the Electoral Collage majority he needed. I'm not really needing cheering up over this. I didn't vote at all, I knew my state was going for Trump (I just checked, Trump had 70% of the vote here, which was his biggest margin in any state) and if I had voted, I probably would not have punched anyone for President, as I don't care at all for Hilary. And I've thought Trump has been coming off like a bad joke for months with a lot of his comments. However... he is a successful businessman and... back in the 90's I voted for Perot, twice, for that same reason. So I'll give him a chance to see what he actually does with the job before I form any further opinion. For anyone who doesn't know, that's the second time that's happenned this century. Out of five presidential elections this century, the Republican candidate has only won the popular vote once.
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Post by aztec on Nov 11, 2016 12:07:26 GMT
This isn't a good thing by any means, but as it is looking more and likely Trump will do his utmost to repeal everything Obama fought so hard for, it means he can be judged entirely on what he accomplishes by himself rather than how he builds on the previous president's policies, i.e in my opinion Trump won't be able to deliver on much (if any) of what he had promises and more likely than not will be floundering around in confusion alienating his party and the people who voted for him, so hopefully in four years time the voters will have learned their lesson and pick a more suitable candidate.
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Post by aztec on Nov 11, 2016 13:11:48 GMT
Did anyone else notice how terrified and confused Trump looked during that conference with Obama in the White House?
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Post by theotherjosh on Nov 11, 2016 13:18:58 GMT
I know that there are often subtle differences between British and American English, and consequently, phrases have slightly different meanings. So I have to ask, what does "cheer up" mean over there? Because I must say, the latest posts in this thread are doing nothing to cheer me up
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Post by jasonward on Nov 11, 2016 13:20:11 GMT
He's got rock all chance of getting Mexico to pay for a wall, quite apart from anything else (such as markets already pricing in loss of revenue to Mexico) agreeing to pay would be electoral suicide for Mexican politicians, even agreeing to meet Trump has proved deeply unpopular there, all a populist politician need to do if any of the main parties there look like agreeing to pay, is campaign along the lines of not being intimidated by a bully and "we will not pay", and job done, they get elected.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 11, 2016 13:23:43 GMT
Michael, the OP, is I think Australian, but I do believe "cheer up" has a universal meaning, but sorry, I have nothing to offer in the way of good cheer, at worst I think "oh my god, how many parallels with Hitler?" at best I think "Well, hopefully the next generation or two can fix the damage."
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Post by aztec on Nov 11, 2016 13:24:36 GMT
He's got rock all chance of getting Mexico to pay for a wall, quite apart from anything else (such as markets already pricing in loss of revenue to Mexico) agreeing to pay would be electoral suicide for Mexican politicians, even agreeing to meet Trump has proved deeply unpopular there, all a populist politician need to do if any of the main parties there look like agreeing to pay, is campaign along the lines of not being intimidated by a bully and "we will not pay", and job done, they get elected. The ironic think is he'll probably end up having to use immigrants to build the wall (if it ever happens) to cut costs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 13:54:03 GMT
I think there's something to be said for "cheer up", but some things are worth getting angry over. Some things are worth fighting back over. Too important to just grin and bear it, too raw to suppress it with jokes and banter. The more people who just cheer up and accept the new status quo, the more it becomes the norm for future elections and candidates.
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Post by theotherjosh on Nov 11, 2016 14:05:07 GMT
Michael, the OP, is I think Australian, but I do believe "cheer up" has a universal meaning, but sorry, I have nothing to offer in the way of good cheer, at worst I think "oh my god, how many parallels with Hitler?" at best I think "Well, hopefully the next generation or two can fix the damage." I was mostly just commenting in a silly way that the thread had taken a somewhat bleak turn. I came to the thread to be cheered up! If I wanted to be depressed, I could turn...just about anywhere
But here's what cheered me up.
The morning after the election, I thought about a lot of things.
I thought about James Comey and how my nation's law enforcement apparatus influenced the election.
I thought about Wikileaks (of course they're in Trump's corner, those sexual assailants gotta stick together, amirite?) and the media and stupid, glib talking heads who chuckled to themselves about what an "interesting" night this was for the Clinton campaign.
I thought about how a hostile foreign power exerted influence in selecting the next ruler of my country.
I thought about the voter suppression in North Carolina, and how the State GOP bragged about it public media, suppression which was enabled by the evisceration of the Voting Rights Act three years ago.
I thought about a friend's brother on Facebook boasting about how Trump would renegotiate our debts with other countries, which is such a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation that it would have more sense if Trump had said we would pay our creditors in bologna.
I thought about the people who say the establishment needed a kick in the pants to wake up and I thought about the people who said the same thing sixteen years ago, when we also won the popular vote but lost the presidency.
I thought about my wife and daughter crying and holding each other on the floor that morning.
But then I thought about how my daughter was inconsolable an hour after being told the news, and I told her that she had to go to school, because people like Trump want us to give up, and I thought about how she went upstairs and put on her "It's called GIRL POWER for a reason!" t-shirt and put on her game face and grabbed her backpack and went out the door to face the world.
I thought about how it's not over until we give up, and when I'm tempted to back down and let things go because I don't want to make waves, I will think about the girl power t-shirt and the bright and brittle fire in her eyes and I'll stand up.
It's not over until we give up.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Nov 11, 2016 14:53:41 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Nov 11, 2016 15:02:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 15:14:34 GMT
BBC are reporting it's currently at 47.7% Clinton against 47.3% Trump. At the time I posted there was only 0.1% in it. The problem is most of those people were in California. Trump just edged her in too many places. The only consolation I can think of for any American at present is that this wasn't a mass upswing for Trump, it was Clinton throwing it away. Take the deciding state for example, Wisconsin. I've read that although Trump won it he got less votes than Romney did when Obama took the state. If Clinton's voters had turned out there and other places it could have been so different but she never once visited Wisconsin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 15:17:11 GMT
I don't get why any woman would vote for him... But I know nothing Stupid is as stupid does. Degree educated white women - still polled 52% Trump. If you just call people stupid for doing things you disagree with then you're just sinking to Trump's level.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Nov 11, 2016 17:05:15 GMT
I didn't.
I think the tag on the post went screwy
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 17:56:30 GMT
The more people who just cheer up and accept the new status quo, the more it becomes the norm for future elections and candidates. I reckon a lot of those who voted for Donald Trump did it because they thought they were voting against the 'status quo', which Hillary Clinton was a part of. Right or wrong the US voters wanted change, they got it. They'll get a chance to elect another President in November 2020. ............. In a democracy sometimes the things you want to happen don't happen, but it's way better than living in a fascist/communist dictatorship, or under an I.S. or Taliban type of regime. So if our American friends need a bit of cheering up they should think of the countries where you don't get to vote for your leader, and get told what to do and when to do it... or else!
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Post by jason on Nov 11, 2016 18:38:29 GMT
The more people who just cheer up and accept the new status quo, the more it becomes the norm for future elections and candidates. I reckon a lot of those who voted for Donald Trump did it because they thought they were voting against the 'status quo', which Hillary Clinton was a part of. Right or wrong the US voters wanted change, they got it. They'll get a chance to elect another President in November 2020. ............. In a democracy sometimes the things you want to happen don't happen, but it's way better than living in a fascist/communist dictatorship, or under an I.S. or Taliban type of regime. So if our American friends need a bit of cheering up they should think of the countries where you don't get to vote for your leader, and get told what to do and when to do it... or else! I'm afraid that does not cheer me up, because it's possible that America just became one of those countries. I would not be this upset if we had just elected someone whom I'd disagreed with, but who had shown any respect at all for the rule of law and for our democratic institutions.
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Post by theotherjosh on Nov 12, 2016 12:36:00 GMT
I first saw the Deadly Assassin when I was a little kid, and at that age, I was willing to accept whatever premise a TV threw at me, no matter how absurd.
However, something that strained my suspension of disbelief was how the Doctor enjoyed immunity from prosecution while he was a nominee for President.
Otherjosh, you say, why do you bring up a 40 year serial, classic it may be, in the enlightened year of 2016?
Because Trump's legal team is making that exact same argument now. Being the President Elect is hard work, can't we defer the trial to after the inauguration, when he'll have much more free time?
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Post by jasonward on Nov 12, 2016 12:53:53 GMT
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 12, 2016 13:16:40 GMT
I think there's something to be said for "cheer up", but some things are worth getting angry over. Some things are worth fighting back over. Too important to just grin and bear it, too raw to suppress it with jokes and banter. The more people who just cheer up and accept the new status quo, the more it becomes the norm for future elections and candidates. Said like Bill Pullman in Independence Day, nice one David.
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