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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 20:12:07 GMT
I just finished listening to the box yesterday and I really thought they were all excellent. And as someone who normally only has seen each Nu-Who episode once (as compared to 3-5 viewings of Docs 4, 5, 6 and probably two of Pertwee) I don't really retain memory of "new monsters" very well... so I have to rely on BF to give me that monster on THEIR terms, and they do a totally acceptable job of it for me.
And Litefoot's book makes me wish that we had actually gotten to hear Jago & Litefoot versus the Carrionites. Jago talking the Carrionites to death must have been epic. Oh yes, I was also thinking that, and that, is this the 'final word' we hear from the Good Professor? I hope not.
I would rather like some kind of Companion Chronicle style story told by Jago (and Ellie, perhaps?) recounting this particular occurrence.
I was thinking maybe Big Finish could release the book, hopefully with an audiobook to round off the series.
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Post by nottenst on Aug 4, 2017 22:28:38 GMT
Haven't read any comments yet as I don't want spoilers, but I just finished Empire of the Racnoss. I was disappointed with what the Fifth Doctor did with the hatchery. It just seemed irresponsible to bring them back to the dawn of time and place them on a planet unless he paradoxically already knew that was how they began in the first place.
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Post by Whovitt on Aug 4, 2017 22:52:48 GMT
Day of the Vashta Nerada.
This bookends this latest set in style. I find it difficult to agree that this range is only two sets long because of a shortage of usable new series monsters. We've had seven in total! What about Silence, Slitheen, Ood, Hath, Adipose, Tochlaphane, the Teller, 'Crooked Man', even female Ice Warriors? Ah well, perhaps other such monsters are simply to be integreated into the main range and other spin-offs, who knows? This is a great sequal to Night of the Vashta Nerada and follows a similar dark and creepy 'boo' type of story. Much as I love Helen and Liv (especially Liv), it's good to hear McGann's Doctor travelling alone. I could happily listen to more companionless Eighth Doctor stories - or, based on the sarcastic and untrusting relationship they possess, the Doctor and Ollistra. Such bickering would make Old Sixie and Peri seem like childhood sweethearts! As they had a quick tour of a few of the TARDIS's old haunts, it struck me what enjoyable chemistry they have - and any reason for more Jacqueline Pearce has to be a good thing. A terrific box-set that only makes me sad there seem to be no plans for any more. In terms of the monsters you've listed: Silence - potentially viable, though I think they are very deep rooted in 11's era; Slitheen - the Doctor didn't recognise them, having to work out their planet of origin by listing all the things they know about them; Ood - like cwm said, he hadn't met them; Hath - again, he asked "Who exactly are the Hath?", so he didn't know them; Adipose - possible, though I don't know how they could be used again in a new story; Tochlaphane - well, they are very much a part of The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords, and can't really be used outside the confines of that story; the Teller - I'm not sure, as I seem to remember the Doctor having to work out how it worked (though it's been a while since I've seen Time Heist, which reminds me) and they can't use it because they don't have the rights to the Capaldi era yet; the 'Crooked Man' - could be used, I suppose, but we don't know anything about it so it would hardly be a big advertising point; and with female Ice Warriors, again, they don't have the rights to the Capaldi era (although that should hardly be a limiting factor). I don't mean to rain on your parade or anything, but I've seen people suggest monsters such as these before, and most of them are sadly just not possible to use.
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Post by Zagreus on Aug 4, 2017 23:12:42 GMT
In terms of the monsters you've listed: Silence - potentially viable, though I think they are very deep rooted in 11's era; By their very nature, they could be used, as he'd forget about them once they're gone, yes? One of the recent short story anthologies already has a Two vs A Slitheen story (A Comedy of Terrors, in Twelve Doctors of Christmas), so that's already out the window. I think I'd most want the Ood to show up in a Sensorites sequel, since they're form the neighboring sphere... Maybe have Ood and Sensorites feuding or something, and the Ood infiltrate by disguising themselves as Sensorites, since they're so similar? So The Doctor meets some Ood, but they're, in an old-school Vulcan/Romulan sort of way, exactly the same as the Sensorites? I know that's more of a visual thing, but that's how I'd play it anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 9:24:48 GMT
Day of the Vashta Nerada.
This bookends this latest set in style. I find it difficult to agree that this range is only two sets long because of a shortage of usable new series monsters. We've had seven in total! What about Silence, Slitheen, Ood, Hath, Adipose, Tochlaphane, the Teller, 'Crooked Man', even female Ice Warriors? Ah well, perhaps other such monsters are simply to be integreated into the main range and other spin-offs, who knows? This is a great sequal to Night of the Vashta Nerada and follows a similar dark and creepy 'boo' type of story. Much as I love Helen and Liv (especially Liv), it's good to hear McGann's Doctor travelling alone. I could happily listen to more companionless Eighth Doctor stories - or, based on the sarcastic and untrusting relationship they possess, the Doctor and Ollistra. Such bickering would make Old Sixie and Peri seem like childhood sweethearts! As they had a quick tour of a few of the TARDIS's old haunts, it struck me what enjoyable chemistry they have - and any reason for more Jacqueline Pearce has to be a good thing. A terrific box-set that only makes me sad there seem to be no plans for any more. In terms of the monsters you've listed: Silence - potentially viable, though I think they are very deep rooted in 11's era; Slitheen - the Doctor didn't recognise them, having to work out their planet of origin by listing all the things they know about them; Ood - like cwm said, he hadn't met them; Hath - again, he asked "Who exactly are the Hath?", so he didn't know them; Adipose - possible, though I don't know how they could be used again in a new story; Tochlaphane - well, they are very much a part of The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords, and can't really be used outside the confines of that story; the Teller - I'm not sure, as I seem to remember the Doctor having to work out how it worked (though it's been a while since I've seen Time Heist, which reminds me) and they can't use it because they don't have the rights to the Capaldi era yet; the 'Crooked Man' - could be used, I suppose, but we don't know anything about it so it would hardly be a big advertising point; and with female Ice Warriors, again, they don't have the rights to the Capaldi era (although that should hardly be a limiting factor). I don't mean to rain on your parade or anything, but I've seen people suggest monsters such as these before, and most of them are sadly just not possible to use. Not raining on my parade at all I plucked the names of monsters/aliens I'd enjoyed and mentioned them. Had I remembered the details, I'd have realised any 'earlier' appearances would have to be manipulated to such an extent that, on reflection, would have made it more trouble than it is worth. Big Finish have also done their research, bless 'em! Cheers.
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Post by barnabaslives on Aug 5, 2017 9:54:54 GMT
I plucked the names of monsters/aliens I'd enjoyed and mentioned them. Had I remembered the details, I'd have realised any 'earlier' appearances would have to be manipulated to such an extent that, on reflection, would have made it more trouble than it is worth. Big Finish have also done their research, bless 'em! Cheers. I think having something like an interconnecting theme of Four Doctors on a mission for Gallfrey so secret that none of them get to keep the memory of it, could be as worthy as River having to smooch away all her meetings with Classic Doctors? It could open up a lot of possibilities, and CDNMs been such good sets that I'm really, really going to miss them if they stop.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 19:58:05 GMT
Day of the Vashta Nerada.
This bookends this latest set in style. I find it difficult to agree that this range is only two sets long because of a shortage of usable new series monsters. We've had seven in total! What about Silence, Slitheen, Ood, Hath, Adipose, Tochlaphane, the Teller, 'Crooked Man', even female Ice Warriors? Ah well, perhaps other such monsters are simply to be integreated into the main range and other spin-offs, who knows? This is a great sequal to Night of the Vashta Nerada and follows a similar dark and creepy 'boo' type of story. Much as I love Helen and Liv (especially Liv), it's good to hear McGann's Doctor travelling alone. I could happily listen to more companionless Eighth Doctor stories - or, based on the sarcastic and untrusting relationship they possess, the Doctor and Ollistra. Such bickering would make Old Sixie and Peri seem like childhood sweethearts! As they had a quick tour of a few of the TARDIS's old haunts, it struck me what enjoyable chemistry they have - and any reason for more Jacqueline Pearce has to be a good thing. A terrific box-set that only makes me sad there seem to be no plans for any more. In terms of the monsters you've listed: Silence - potentially viable, though I think they are very deep rooted in 11's era; Slitheen - the Doctor didn't recognise them, having to work out their planet of origin by listing all the things they know about them; Ood - like cwm said, he hadn't met them; Hath - again, he asked "Who exactly are the Hath?", so he didn't know them; Adipose - possible, though I don't know how they could be used again in a new story; Tochlaphane - well, they are very much a part of The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords, and can't really be used outside the confines of that story; the Teller - I'm not sure, as I seem to remember the Doctor having to work out how it worked (though it's been a while since I've seen Time Heist, which reminds me) and they can't use it because they don't have the rights to the Capaldi era yet; the 'Crooked Man' - could be used, I suppose, but we don't know anything about it so it would hardly be a big advertising point; and with female Ice Warriors, again, they don't have the rights to the Capaldi era (although that should hardly be a limiting factor). I don't mean to rain on your parade or anything, but I've seen people suggest monsters such as these before, and most of them are sadly just not possible to use. The Doctor clearly knows of Raxicoricofallapatorians in World War Three, I don't think there are any huge continuity obstacles there. And I really want to see a story that builds on the concept of the Slitheen assuming their victims' identities. Annette Badland is already a BF semi-regular and Margaret Blaine is the only unique recurring foe to the Ninth Doctor's era, so it seems very likely they'll use her at some point. I think a Seven/Adipose story would be great. The idea just appeals to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 21:35:31 GMT
The Doctor clearly knows of Raxicoricofallapatorians in World War Three, I don't think there are any huge continuity obstacles there. He knows of the world, and deduces they'd be calcium-based, but it's clear he's never encountered them in the flesh before - hence mistaking Slitheen as the name of the race, rather than the family. If he'd met them, he'd know what they were from the outset...
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Post by Zagreus on Aug 6, 2017 22:07:04 GMT
The Doctor clearly knows of Raxicoricofallapatorians in World War Three, I don't think there are any huge continuity obstacles there. He knows of the world, and deduces they'd be calcium-based, but it's clear he's never encountered them in the flesh before - hence mistaking Slitheen as the name of the race, rather than the family. If he'd met them, he'd know what they were from the outset... The short story A Comedy of Terrors, in Twelve Doctors of Christmas, has Two running into a Raxicoricofallapatorian of the house Slitheen. He sees them out of disguise, claws, babyface, and all. Doesn't really add up with later (earlier?) continuity, but hey, it exists.
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Post by icecreamdf on Aug 6, 2017 22:13:50 GMT
The Doctor clearly knows of Raxicoricofallapatorians in World War Three, I don't think there are any huge continuity obstacles there. He knows of the world, and deduces they'd be calcium-based, but it's clear he's never encountered them in the flesh before - hence mistaking Slitheen as the name of the race, rather than the family. If he'd met them, he'd know what they were from the outset... There could just be other species that look similar. Just like he would need more information than just looking to tell if someone was a human, a Time Lord, a Trakenite, an Alzarian, a Trion, or an entirely different species.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 6, 2017 22:42:23 GMT
He knows of the world, and deduces they'd be calcium-based, but it's clear he's never encountered them in the flesh before - hence mistaking Slitheen as the name of the race, rather than the family. If he'd met them, he'd know what they were from the outset... The short story A Comedy of Terrors, in Twelve Doctors of Christmas, has Two running into a Raxicoricofallapatorian of the house Slitheen. He sees them out of disguise, claws, babyface, and all. Doesn't really add up with later (earlier?) continuity, but hey, it exists. There's so many centuries and so many memory wipes between the second and ninth Doctors so it's possible he just forgot about them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 6:04:22 GMT
What a fantastic set of stories, each had it's own tone & each story had something unique to offer to make it memorable, this is classic Who with a modern twist.
Hard to pick a favourite but Night & Day of the Vasta Nerada just edged it for me but i enjoyed all four stories.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 2:42:05 GMT
You can practically hear John Dorney cackling with mad glee at the thought of Mary Whithouse's reaction to The Night of the Vashda Narda
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 7:25:22 GMT
You can practically hear John Dorney cackling with mad glee at the thought of Mary Whithouse's reaction to The Night of the Vashda Narda Lol, she'd have said something like "think of the trauma on those poor children everytime they see a shadow" lol. You know when Dorney writes a Doctor Who script it's going to be good.
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Post by acousticwolf on Aug 9, 2017 7:59:11 GMT
Heard the first three and I'm impressed so far. The Vashta Nerada are another monster that shouldn't work on audio, but do. The Racnoss get a little annoying after listening to them for a while. I don't know how Peter Davison does it but he sounds younger the more audios he does. The Carrionites work well and it was a lovely surprise to hear from Professor Litefoot's book.
One more to go.
Cheers
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Post by nottenst on Aug 9, 2017 14:11:13 GMT
Well, that was a rather dark set, wasn't it? I loved the Vashta Nerada stories and really enjoyed the Carrionite story. The Racnoss story was the only one that didn't do much for me, and I would not say it was bad. All four stories seemed well matched to the Doctors they featured. Just finished the set. Haven't listened to the Behind the Scenes volume yet. Very, very dark set. Just about everyone the Doctor encountered died in the set. So much grimness was a bit too much for me at the moment. Still, very well done. Are we supposed to know who Biotech Dendry was working with? The voice reminded me of the Fun World CEO, but no real clue. My disappointment with the end of the Racnoss story still holds, but maybe that is addressed in the BTS. If not, I'd like to get Scott Handcock to convince me that the Doctor wasn't acting irresponsibly with time. I did like the possibility of a new Gallifreyan companion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 7:17:27 GMT
Relistened to the entire box set & hands down my favourite release to date of 2017, i personally loved the Racnoss story ending as it actually could set up another story if the wonderful Mr Handcock would write it.
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Post by nottenst on Aug 10, 2017 13:36:25 GMT
Relistened to the entire box set & hands down my favourite release to date of 2017, i personally loved the Racnoss story ending as it actually could set up another story if the wonderful Mr Handcock would write it. I hope @scotthandcock will tell us more.
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Post by acousticwolf on Aug 10, 2017 16:55:56 GMT
Day of the Vashta Nerada has a clever twist and is no wonder they end up the way they do in Silence of the Library. Another good story and Paul Mcgann just breezes through it - it was almost over before I realised lol.
A great set of stories.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 14:22:41 GMT
I really hope a volume 3 is incoming, because the quality of these past two sets has been superb. It's kind of funny, but on paper to me each time one of these was announced it has sounded like the Sixth Doctor had drawn the short end of the stick, being paired with 'new monsters' that personally I wasn't a big fan of on TV, and that seemed pretty one dimensional, but both times the actual story in question has ended up being my favourite amongst what was already a very strong set. It's almost like those Big Finish people know what they're doing...
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