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Post by bobod on Feb 21, 2017 20:33:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 22:16:20 GMT
I know I'm not a 100% up on Caroyln's history and have only listened to the audios, but I found Caroyln losing her children to be really heartbreaking (and I don't think Rob was lying), even if she made the right choice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 22:29:50 GMT
Personally, I think In The Broken Dream was a good move. Bloodline is a MASSIVE undertaking and Bloodlust was a great success for Big Finish and it's been quite awhile since it's conclusion . I think there's enough mystery - what pulls David and Amy apart? What did David do which had Elisabeth and Roger feel the need to invite Amy to Paris? And it's clear something serious has happened in the lives of Tom and Harry? We don't know how the pieces will fall and how this builds from Blood and Fire. But, we will. Soon
A series of audiophiles stand at the precipice, enthralled by the dark forces of Collinsport....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 3:31:51 GMT
Last Orders in the Blue Whale by Rob Morris
Round of applause. to all involved. Rob, you created a masterful script that captured loss in such an amazing way and to redeem Harry Johnson was done very well. Matthew Waterhouse is really good at reading stories and this was no exception. He was able to capture the characters and create enough distinction that I could easily identify them. And I know I say this a lot lately, That ending was beautiful. Big Finish really knows how to choose some great writers. 10/10.
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Post by omega on Feb 22, 2017 5:08:35 GMT
Listening to Blood & Fire it struck me. In that story Scott Haran plays a character called Gifford. One of Gifford's ancestors, a son or a brother, was played by the same person who'd later play Harry Johnson, who is performed by Matthew Waterhouse in the first story of this collection. In Bloodlust Scott Haran and Matthew Waterhouse play son and father. Therefore Scott Haran perform a story with a younger Harry Johnson, expand on his murky past. We'd get more of Mrs Johnson, as well as get more quality material with the character, so a win on all sides.
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Post by Rob Morris on Feb 22, 2017 22:00:34 GMT
Listening to Blood & Fire it struck me. In that story Scott Haran plays a character called Gifford. One of Gifford's ancestors, a son or a brother, was played by the same person who'd later play Harry Johnson, who is performed by Matthew Waterhouse in the first story of this collection. In Bloodlust Scott Haran and Matthew Waterhouse play son and father. Therefore Scott Haran perform a story with a younger Harry Johnson, expand on his murky past. We'd get more of Mrs Johnson, as well as get more quality material with the character, so a win on all sides. Do you know what, that completely passed me by! Bloody hell! It's almost like Joe and Davy know what they're doing. (And I'd never have thought to accuse them of that before.) Thank you Masterdoctor for your kind words, too!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 22:58:00 GMT
Listening to Blood & Fire it struck me. In that story Scott Haran plays a character called Gifford. One of Gifford's ancestors, a son or a brother, was played by the same person who'd later play Harry Johnson, who is performed by Matthew Waterhouse in the first story of this collection. In Bloodlust Scott Haran and Matthew Waterhouse play son and father. Therefore Scott Haran perform a story with a younger Harry Johnson, expand on his murky past. We'd get more of Mrs Johnson, as well as get more quality material with the character, so a win on all sides. Do you know what, that completely passed me by! Bloody hell! It's almost like Joe and Davy know what they're doing. (And I'd never have thought to accuse them of that before.) Thank you Masterdoctor for your kind words, too! Well you certainly earned them.
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Post by omega on Feb 22, 2017 23:10:23 GMT
Listening to Blood & Fire it struck me. In that story Scott Haran plays a character called Gifford. One of Gifford's ancestors, a son or a brother, was played by the same person who'd later play Harry Johnson, who is performed by Matthew Waterhouse in the first story of this collection. In Bloodlust Scott Haran and Matthew Waterhouse play son and father. Therefore Scott Haran perform a story with a younger Harry Johnson, expand on his murky past. We'd get more of Mrs Johnson, as well as get more quality material with the character, so a win on all sides. Do you know what, that completely passed me by! Bloody hell! It's almost like Joe and Davy know what they're doing. (And I'd never have thought to accuse them of that before.) By that logic Jamison Selby could play any of the male Collins when in the young man stage, since he played Jamison Collins in A Collinwood Christmas. Most of them were played by David Hennesy as young boys or Louis Edmonds as older men, so there is a precedent, like how many of the women family members were played by Joan Bennett. Collinsport must sit above a timespace rift prone to throwing out the same genetic patterns, or however the Doctor explained Gwen Cooper looking like Gwenyth from The Unquiet Dead. Apologies if I get some of the names spelled incorrectly, I don't have access to the Wikia at the moment.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 22, 2017 23:35:52 GMT
Listening to Blood & Fire it struck me. In that story Scott Haran plays a character called Gifford. One of Gifford's ancestors, a son or a brother, was played by the same person who'd later play Harry Johnson, who is performed by Matthew Waterhouse in the first story of this collection. In Bloodlust Scott Haran and Matthew Waterhouse play son and father. Therefore Scott Haran perform a story with a younger Harry Johnson, expand on his murky past. We'd get more of Mrs Johnson, as well as get more quality material with the character, so a win on all sides. Was confused until I realized you probably meant "descendant" instead of "ancestor". Also, just met Gifford in the show proper, so this makes more sense now. He's the guy who'll be playing Harry, will he?
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Post by omega on Feb 23, 2017 0:00:37 GMT
Listening to Blood & Fire it struck me. In that story Scott Haran plays a character called Gifford. One of Gifford's ancestors, a son or a brother, was played by the same person who'd later play Harry Johnson, who is performed by Matthew Waterhouse in the first story of this collection. In Bloodlust Scott Haran and Matthew Waterhouse play son and father. Therefore Scott Haran perform a story with a younger Harry Johnson, expand on his murky past. We'd get more of Mrs Johnson, as well as get more quality material with the character, so a win on all sides. Was confused until I realized you probably meant "descendant" instead of "ancestor". Also, just met Gifford in the show proper, so this makes more sense now. He's the guy who'll be playing Harry, will he? Yes, Craig Slocum first played the role of Noah Gifford in 1795 before playing Harry Johnson when the storyline moved back to the 60's. I'm being generous in saying neither were the best written or performed roles. Personally I though Noah was brought in to pad out the 1795 storyline when it was dragging on. I'm not entirely sure what purpose Harry served on the TV show to be honest, except to give Craig Slocum a longer stint on Dark Shadows. Hence why Scott Haran reading a story with a younger Harry would be interesting.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 23, 2017 0:47:33 GMT
Well I now want them to bring Harry Johnson back, played by Waterhouse, for either later 1970s or 1980s stories.
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2017 9:29:24 GMT
Listening to Blood & Fire it struck me. In that story Scott Haran plays a character called Gifford. One of Gifford's ancestors, a son or a brother, was played by the same person who'd later play Harry Johnson, who is performed by Matthew Waterhouse in the first story of this collection. In Bloodlust Scott Haran and Matthew Waterhouse play son and father. Therefore Scott Haran perform a story with a younger Harry Johnson, expand on his murky past. We'd get more of Mrs Johnson, as well as get more quality material with the character, so a win on all sides. Was confused until I realized you probably meant "descendant" instead of "ancestor". Well a brother is neither, so lets go with 'relative'.
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2017 9:40:37 GMT
Do you know what, that completely passed me by! Bloody hell! It's almost like Joe and Davy know what they're doing. (And I'd never have thought to accuse them of that before.) By that logic Jamison Selby could play any of the male Collins when in the young man stage, since he played Jamison Collins in A Collinwood Christmas. Most of them were played by David Hennesy as young boys or Louis Edmonds as older men, so there is a precedent, like how many of the women family members were played by Joan Bennett. Collinsport must sit above a timespace rift prone to throwing out the same genetic patterns, or however the Doctor explained Gwen Cooper looking like Gwenyth from The Unquiet Dead. Yeah, I think that's the usual logic used in the casting. I remember well the lists of people we made of who could potentially play which part in Blood & Fire - a play with unusually flexible casting options for some of the parts. Using the normal logic the "correct" actors to play the younger Edward would be Alec Newman or Jamison Selby as it's a David Henesey / Louis Edmonds role. But then again both BurkeDevlin and Willie Loomis have Collins family members who look like them (or at least one of them)...
Maybe we need a Collins ancestor who looks like Willie Loomis Mk 1 now that James Hall has appeared at a recent convention...
A couple but we knew what you meant, and you did get Jamison right - which I never do. I always want to put "Jamieson"
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2017 9:44:59 GMT
Listening to Blood & Fire it struck me. In that story Scott Haran plays a character called Gifford. One of Gifford's ancestors, a son or a brother, was played by the same person who'd later play Harry Johnson, who is performed by Matthew Waterhouse in the first story of this collection. In Bloodlust Scott Haran and Matthew Waterhouse play son and father. Therefore Scott Haran perform a story with a younger Harry Johnson, expand on his murky past. We'd get more of Mrs Johnson, as well as get more quality material with the character, so a win on all sides. Do you know what, that completely passed me by! Bloody hell! It's almost like Joe and Davy know what they're doing. I hadn't worked fully through that connection myself either. Although I do remember some of the smaller B&F character parts having flexible names only tied down once we knew who was available to play them.
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Post by omega on Feb 23, 2017 9:49:18 GMT
A couple but we knew what you meant, and you did get Jamison right - which I never do. I always want to put "Jamieson" Even more impressive considering I could have spelled it Jameson, like the actress who plays Leela in Doctor Who and who was Rosie Faye in London's Burning. It is rather sweet how Quentin's nephew and David Selby's son share the same name. IIRC Alexandra Moltke called her son Adam. Poor Jeremiah's gravestone said Jerimiah, so even the show got the names wrong outside the occasional flubbed mistaken name.
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2017 10:20:57 GMT
This is a cracking set of stories.
At the moment I especially love Last Orders... and On The Line. I've heard both of them twice already and can easily imagine frequent relistens. Excellent performances from Matthew and Nancy (but in both cases when are they not?) and there's lovely work from both Rob and Ian - engaging fast stories but with depth, and full of continuity nods without it getting in the way of the story.
I've not yet heard the other two again, I've been away and was busy actually watching the show (I've just passed ep 900.)
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Post by roygill on Feb 23, 2017 13:59:22 GMT
Do you know what, that completely passed me by! Bloody hell! It's almost like Joe and Davy know what they're doing. I hadn't worked fully through that connection myself either. Although I do remember some of the smaller B&F character parts having flexible names only tied down once we knew who was available to play them. At my suggestion, Scott's character in B&F was called Lamech Gifford. In the bible, Lamech is the father of Noah... Not that I want to nail down the connection between the characters, but rest assured there were long, long, long... discussions between me and Joe & Davy re: who was playing which character, and what tweaks we might make as a result.
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2017 14:18:44 GMT
I hadn't worked fully through that connection myself either. Although I do remember some of the smaller B&F character parts having flexible names only tied down once we knew who was available to play them. At my suggestion, Scott's character in B&F was called Lamech Gifford. In the bible, Lamech is the father of Noah... Not that I want to nail down the connection between the characters, but rest assured there were long, long, long... discussions between me and Joe & Davy re: who was playing which character, and what tweaks we might make as a result. I remember.
And between us down here. Joe scribbling and scoring out and underlining all the time.
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Post by barnabaslives on Feb 23, 2017 14:20:33 GMT
It is rather sweet how Quentin's nephew and David Selby's son share the same name. IIRC Alexandra Moltke called her son Adam. It is! Took me awhile in fact to believe it, I thought more than one I must have gotten names mixed up. Very good to think of David Selby presumably enjoying his time on the show enough to name a child after one of the characters (also that Jamison Selby grew up to be such a great asset to Dark Shadows). That's a really interesting tidbit about Alexandra's child, I'll have to look that up after the customary period of disbelief. :-) Poor Jeremiah's gravestone said Jerimiah, so even the show got the names wrong outside the occasional flubbed mistaken name. Maybe that one is an effort at (more or less) historically accurate misspelling, since it's probably prefaced by "Here Lyes"...? (Possibly like the Collinsport Jail sign reading "Collinsport Gaol"?) There were at least a couple of character names that went wrong in that the characters were originally introduced with different names - Amy and Edward (originally Molly and Oscar! - oh and of course Dr. Julius Hoffman). So yeah, why worry if you occasionally get a name slightly wrong? It's very Dark Shadows. :-)
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2017 14:44:42 GMT
It is rather sweet how Quentin's nephew and David Selby's son share the same name. IIRC Alexandra Moltke called her son Adam. It is! Took me awhile in fact to believe it, I thought more than one I must have gotten names mixed up. Very good to think of David Selby presumably enjoying his time on the show enough to name a child after one of the characters Jameson Selby was born in 1969, during the 1896 storyline (the day that episode 752 was recorded in fact). So the name was very active in Daddy David's life at time.
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