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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 19:51:13 GMT
I'm the other person! RIP Doctor Who for me if he is cast. Why? Surely, you'd watch his first episode, at least? Only if Bill is still the companion. He is a terrible actor. & the laziest safest casting choice in the history of casting choices.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 19:54:58 GMT
Not gonna lie, though... You're unusual because you're the only person who's ever said that they'd LEAVE the show if Marshall was cast. I find it a bit interesting and I like different perspectives, so... what is it that you don't like about him? I've only seen bits and pieces of his work outside My Family, he's a decent enough actor but not really someone whose screen presence excites me, his image and personality just reminds me too much of Tennant/Smith and I'm not entirely convinced he'd bring something brand new and dramatic to the role in the way his four predecessors did, he just seems like the type of actor you'd cast if you wanted to tick a generic doctor box and I'm not particularly keen on the idea of three years of generic who playing things safe. Capaldi worked so well because he was a polar opposite in age, appearance and style of acting to Smith, not sure I could say the same about Marshall. I was surprised how versatile he was in Death In Paradise to be honest. He was absolutely a bit Smith-like...but he did a wonderful melancholy, a fine righteous anger and a terrific eternal optimist. He could do the role no problem. He managed to get me very emotional in places without really doing much. He's been undervalued by people still rating him as Nick from My Family. I think too much is made that the choice of Doctor itself has to be "bold" - it both underestimates the actors ability to give us something new and also assumes the casting and not the writing is where the boldness should be found. I haven't agreed with Budnp about much...well,ever...but I too know a few people who have fallen away since Tennant who would watch Marshall. Anecdotal, of course, but I think the fact he took on a show already doing very well and then ADDED 2 million viewers can't be underestimated. This at a time when TV ratings are going down across the board. That's got to give him a huge amount of goodwill with the Beeb if nothing else.
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Post by aztec on Jul 14, 2017 20:02:08 GMT
Capaldi isn't my first Doctor (that was Eccleston), nor is he my favourite (that is McGann) but this is the first era of the New Series I've watched live as a fan (as opposed to casual viewer) and generally loved all the way through (I did enjoy Series 1 and Series 4 very much, but I was a much less critical viewer back then and it's been so long since I've watched some of those episodes it's hard to judge how much nostalgia plays a part in my recollection), far from being excited at the possibility of a new dawn for the show and a new lead, I just feel sad and slightly curious about this news.
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Post by aztec on Jul 14, 2017 20:18:58 GMT
Fingers crossed for Jason Statham.
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Post by mrperson on Jul 14, 2017 20:19:48 GMT
Obligatory bring back McGann! post. I could only hope.... Though that would probably mean we lose him at BF for a while. There is at least some in-universe stuff that Moffat has inserted that could support it. (1) "The Caretaker" stopped just short of explicitly claiming to be a much older future Doctor, (2) Maxil --> Sixie / Roman man --> 12 (With 12 getting explicit about why he had the face, perhaps Moff had Maxil in mind)
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Post by mrperson on Jul 14, 2017 20:23:25 GMT
I can't fathom turning off the TV simply because someone - anyone - was cast.
(ok ok, if Sarah Palin is the next Doctor, I will stop. Or Ted Cruz. That face is too punchable and my TV would never survive. But more seriously, that's not going to happen).
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Post by mark687 on Jul 14, 2017 20:23:32 GMT
Fingers crossed for Jason Statham. Not before Danny Dyer Bruv
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 20:29:40 GMT
I still prefer him as Nick from My Family, if I'm honest. Something about him in Death in Paradise just came across as *wrong*, like he just didn't fit in somehow. It was more as if I believed him more as an actor playing the character rather than the character themself.
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Post by aztec on Jul 14, 2017 20:31:37 GMT
Fingers crossed for Jason Statham. Not before Danny Dyer Bruv
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He could play the Meddling's monk's long lost cousin The Meddling Guvnor. (Also, anyone else think Fitz Kriener was based on Danny Dyer?)
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Post by ollychops on Jul 14, 2017 20:33:48 GMT
I wouldn't turn off straight away if someone I didn't like was cast. I mean, I didn't have hope when Matt Smith was announced, but he became my favourite Doctor. If I don't like them, I'll at least give them a shot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 21:06:07 GMT
It won't be Kris Marshall 'because he left Death in Paradise this year', as he didn't really quit Death in Paradise this year at all, he would have had to let them know he was intending to leave before the season that aired earlier this year was even written, much less shot and broadcast. So he must have decided to leave, at latest, during pre-production on the series sometime last year.
Now it's possible that he might still be cast just because he happens to now be available, but unless he was secretly offered the role at least a year and a half ago, it has nothing to do with his deciding to leave Death in Paradise. And personally, I think the odds are slim. But that latter part might be more hope than anything else.
Also, personally I don't put any faith in any of the bookie's odds before now, but now, over the next day or so, is where they actually do start to get interesting. Though even now I'd bet there is plenty of deliberate misinformation being spread, perhaps even with the odd strategic 'large' bet on someone high in the current odds as a shield for the real name. How accurate the bookies turn out to be in the next couple of days I'd say will all be down to just how many people already really do know the secret (and not just think they know it). We'll see soon enough, I guess.
I don't have any feel on who it'll actually be, but I still think most will find it a surprise (unless too many loose lips lead to a clear bookie surge). Whoever it turns out to be, I just hope they do the role justice. And I wish them luck for the inevitable firestorm that lies between them and the Christmas special.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 14, 2017 21:06:48 GMT
I disagree. The rumours I've seen point at a woman, and the ones that indicate a man are from everyday people saying they were told it was a male Doctor by the BBC complaints department (who would have no idea who the next Doctor is anyway!) They won't cast a woman. There's a likelihood it'd kill the show if they did, not gonna lie. I know you'll disagree with that because it's what you think. But - look - there are a lot of people who would stop watching if it were to be a woman. I'm pretty sure people would have said exactly the same in 1966. So long as there's strong narratives and characters audiences are rooting for to triumph over the evil forces of the universe viewers will watch.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 21:14:26 GMT
They won't cast a woman. There's a likelihood it'd kill the show if they did, not gonna lie. I know you'll disagree with that because it's what you think. But - look - there are a lot of people who would stop watching if it were to be a woman. I'm pretty sure people would have said exactly the same in 1966. So long as there's strong narratives and characters audiences are rooting for to triumph over the evil forces of the universe viewers will watch. No, it won't.
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Post by relativetime on Jul 14, 2017 21:26:48 GMT
I'm the other person! RIP Doctor Who for me if he is cast. Why? Surely, you'd watch his first episode, at least? Same reason many people would give if our next Doctor's a woman, I'd guess. People think the show has to be a certain way or else they won't give it a chance. I guess we all have our limits and that's fine so long as no one's harassing other people for continuing to watch and enjoy the show.
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Post by seeley on Jul 14, 2017 21:37:59 GMT
I had a dream t'other night that their first or last name began with an 'R'.. I'll leave that here in case it turns out correct, then I'll binge on cheese and try and get us the lottery numbers. I'm all for sharing That gum you like is going to come back in style... Go on Facebook, reddit, Gallifreybase, digital spy forum and you'll see there's a huge amount of people opposed to the idea...of course a handful of online fans/casual viewers wouldn't represent the views of the average viewer, but from conversations I've had with family/friends who aren't hardcore fans of the show they are just as skeptical or hostile to the idea. I'm personally 100% fine with the idea...but I'm rather more concerned about how they would write the character. Pretty much this. That said, I used to be skeptical of the idea until Missy convinced me otherwise, so there's that. It's certainly much more plausible than it was 4 years ago. For what it's worth, Gary Russell has said that though he's all for #13 being a woman, he doubts very much that the Suits at the BBC would be willing to take the risk. But then, by his own admission, he tends to be rather cynical.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 14, 2017 21:38:54 GMT
Why? Surely, you'd watch his first episode, at least? Same reason many people would give if our next Doctor's a woman, I'd guess. People think the show has to be a certain way or else they won't give it a chance. I guess we all have our limits and that's fine so long as no one's harassing other people for continuing to watch and enjoy the show. Personally, I will watch the show either way. If Kris Marshall has been picked, Chris Chibnall may have seen something in him that I can't see. If a woman is chosen...well, I'll be extremely happy.
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Post by stcoop on Jul 14, 2017 21:39:36 GMT
Jodie Whittaker's moment of glory didn't last long as she's plunged in the Odds now. On the positive side Paterson Joseph has shot up to second place behind the unmovable lump of blandness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 21:46:53 GMT
Jodie Whittaker's moment of glory didn't last long as she's plunged in the Odds now. On the positive side Paterson Joseph has shot up to second place behind the unmovable lump of blandness. To be fair, Whittaker is now flitting... Though, as I've said before, Joseph does seem incredibly likely. I really, really hope it's him. Don't mind at all if it's Kris Marshall
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Post by doomlord on Jul 14, 2017 21:49:07 GMT
Considering how much she has worked with Chris Chibnall over the past 4 or 5 years on Broadchurch, that's a good guess if he is going the female Doctor route. She's an obscure name like Matt Smith too. I think history is repeating itself AND new history is being created at the same time. Whatever happens, I won't be boasting or attacking anyone online. I respect whatever choice Andy Pryor and Chris Chibnall makes. They know better than me. The name may be unfamiliar but the face and her work isn't. She's been in some high profile series such as Broadchurch, Wired, Black Mirror, Cranford, as well as a few British films, including the sci-fi alien, Attack The Block.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 14, 2017 21:51:16 GMT
She's an obscure name like Matt Smith too. I think history is repeating itself AND new history is being created at the same time. Whatever happens, I won't be boasting or attacking anyone online. I respect whatever choice Andy Pryor and Chris Chibnall makes. They know better than me. The name may be unfamiliar but the face and her work isn't. She's been in some high profile series such as Broadchurch, Wired, Black Mirror, Cranford, as well as a few British films, including the sci-fi alien, Attack The Block. I'm not claiming she hasn't got experience. Jodie Whittaker will be obscurr to the casual audience, but they can advertise her as 'Broadchurch star Jodie Whittaker'.
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