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Post by barnabaslives on Feb 5, 2017 0:52:57 GMT
It's because the BBC is publicly owned so is meant to be put any money it makes into making shows, so it's a no to advertising private companies like Big Finish. It's in the BBC charter, so is law. Tbh I'm ok with this staying as it is, it's one of those protections to stop the BBC becoming a private company. Is there anything anyone knows of that prohibits Big Finish from purchasing advertising time in association with distributed BBC programming? It would have brilliant if at the end of an DW episode on BBCA (or on Hulu while it lasted) there would have have been a four second spot to tell us "Classic Doctors, new stories... The adventures continue at Big Finish.com" - someone might miss out otherwise and it could have been me. (Besides, Nick could probably pay the BBC in Dalek voices). :-)
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Post by sherlock on Feb 5, 2017 1:21:48 GMT
It's because the BBC is publicly owned so is meant to be put any money it makes into making shows, so it's a no to advertising private companies like Big Finish. It's in the BBC charter, so is law. Tbh I'm ok with this staying as it is, it's one of those protections to stop the BBC becoming a private company. Is there anything anyone knows of that prohibits Big Finish from purchasing advertising time in association with distributed BBC programming? It would have brilliant if at the end of an DW episode on BBCA (or on Hulu while it lasted) there would have have been a four second spot to tell us "Classic Doctors, new stories... The adventures continue at Big Finish.com" - someone might miss out otherwise and it could have been me. (Besides, Nick could probably pay the BBC in Dalek voices). :-) Does BBCA have ads? I genuinely didn't know it did. I guess theoretically Big Finish probably could advertise on BBCA then, assuming they have the money to spare. BBC channels in the UK don't carry ads so no option here.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 5, 2017 1:50:56 GMT
Is there anything anyone knows of that prohibits Big Finish from purchasing advertising time in association with distributed BBC programming? It would have brilliant if at the end of an DW episode on BBCA (or on Hulu while it lasted) there would have have been a four second spot to tell us "Classic Doctors, new stories... The adventures continue at Big Finish.com" - someone might miss out otherwise and it could have been me. (Besides, Nick could probably pay the BBC in Dalek voices). :-) Does BBCA have ads? I genuinely didn't know it did. I guess theoretically Big Finish probably could advertise on BBCA then, assuming they have the money to spare. BBC channels in the UK don't carry ads so no option here. BBC America has tons of ads. Sadly, the British taxpayers don't pay for us to watch their shows. I'm not sure how much television advertising costs, or if that is something that Big Finish can afford.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 5, 2017 1:52:38 GMT
But the Charter doesn't allow them to explicitly introduce a Big Finish companion to television, which I think is something that should be changed. That would be kind of unfair to audience completely unfamiliar to Big Finish. How are they supposed to know who this person is? And even if it was stated 'they're an old companion', it still wouldn't really mean anything to them. A few more Night of the Doctor-style nods would be nice, but I don't think a character crossing over is the right way to go. It wouldn't be too different to having Sarah Jane showing up in School Reunion, even though a lot of New Series fans wouldn't have known who she was. Personally, I would love to see Charley on TV, but she may have a bit too much backstory that they would need to explain. Lucie might be a better choice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 1:56:17 GMT
That would be kind of unfair to audience completely unfamiliar to Big Finish. How are they supposed to know who this person is? And even if it was stated 'they're an old companion', it still wouldn't really mean anything to them. A few more Night of the Doctor-style nods would be nice, but I don't think a character crossing over is the right way to go. It wouldn't be too different to having Sarah Jane showing up in School Reunion, even though a lot of New Series fans wouldn't have known who she was. Personally, I would love to see Charley on TV, but she may have a bit too much backstory that they would need to explain. Lucie might be a better choice. Certainly appeals from the GRAND OVERLORDS OF THE BBC perspective, Sheridan Smith has had previous television experience in shows like Jonathan Creek, so there'd be less of a perceived risk. Personally, I'd like to be daring and have Lisa Bowerman appear. Come on, give Benny a go.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 5, 2017 10:09:58 GMT
That would be kind of unfair to audience completely unfamiliar to Big Finish. How are they supposed to know who this person is? And even if it was stated 'they're an old companion', it still wouldn't really mean anything to them. A few more Night of the Doctor-style nods would be nice, but I don't think a character crossing over is the right way to go. It wouldn't be too different to having Sarah Jane showing up in School Reunion, even though a lot of New Series fans wouldn't have known who she was. Personally, I would love to see Charley on TV, but she may have a bit too much backstory that they would need to explain. Lucie might be a better choice. They should go one step further and have Charley Pollard travel with the 13th Doctor.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 5, 2017 12:10:56 GMT
It wouldn't be too different to having Sarah Jane showing up in School Reunion, even though a lot of New Series fans wouldn't have known who she was. Personally, I would love to see Charley on TV, but she may have a bit too much backstory that they would need to explain. Lucie might be a better choice. Certainly appeals from the GRAND OVERLORDS OF THE BBC perspective, Sheridan Smith has had previous television experience in shows like Jonathan Creek, so there'd be less of a perceived risk. Personally, I'd like to be daring and have Lisa Bowerman appear. Come on, give Benny a go. Benny would kind of work as a supporting character since she's so prolific in expanded stuff and has even appeared in a new series novel, plus her character's beautifully simple-a slightly grumpy (yet lovable) archaeologist who used to travel with the Doctor. Lucie I'm not so sure how they would include for a start given how her story ended. Main thing is I don't see the BBC wanting to take a risk like bringing over a spin-off companion for fear of alienating viewers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 12:24:23 GMT
Certainly appeals from the GRAND OVERLORDS OF THE BBC perspective, Sheridan Smith has had previous television experience in shows like Jonathan Creek, so there'd be less of a perceived risk. Personally, I'd like to be daring and have Lisa Bowerman appear. Come on, give Benny a go. Benny would kind of work as a supporting character since she's so prolific in expanded stuff and has even appeared in a new series novel, plus her character's beautifully simple-a slightly grumpy (yet lovable) archaeologist who used to travel with the Doctor. Lucie I'm not so sure how they would include for a start given how her story ended. Main thing is I don't see the BBC wanting to take a risk like bringing over a spin-off companion for fear of alienating viewers. That's understandable, but think about the reaction people had to Vastra and Strax, characters that didn't have debut stories when they first got dropped straight into the events of A Good Man Goes to War. I reckon as long as we do a quick runaround of whomever is chosen's link to the Doctor, I think viewers would have no trouble going with the flow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 13:06:52 GMT
But the Charter doesn't allow them to explicitly introduce a Big Finish companion to television, which I think is something that should be changed. That would be kind of unfair to audience completely unfamiliar to Big Finish. How are they supposed to know who this person is? And even if it was stated 'they're an old companion', it still wouldn't really mean anything to them. A few more Night of the Doctor-style nods would be nice, but I don't think a character crossing over is the right way to go. They aren't banned from using companions who originated in spin-offs. Witness Kate Stewart, who first appeared in Downtime. They just can't make buying a commercially available product necessary to fully enjoy any of their TV output. So series 10 isn't about to feature a followup story to Downtime where you need to have watched the one to understand the other.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 5, 2017 15:59:28 GMT
It wouldn't be too different to having Sarah Jane showing up in School Reunion, even though a lot of New Series fans wouldn't have known who she was. Personally, I would love to see Charley on TV, but she may have a bit too much backstory that they would need to explain. Lucie might be a better choice. They should go one step further and have Charley Pollard travel with the 13th Doctor. The problem is that i they bring Charley baxk as a regular, they kind of have to explain the R101, and the web of time, and her travelling with the Sixth Doctor, and the Viyrans, and Mila, and all that other complicated stuff.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 5, 2017 16:07:38 GMT
They should go one step further and have Charley Pollard travel with the 13th Doctor. The problem is that i they bring Charley baxk as a regular, they kind of have to explain the R101, and the web of time, and her travelling with the Sixth Doctor, and the Viyrans, and Mila, and all that other complicated stuff. That's why the Charter should be changed.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 5, 2017 16:12:35 GMT
The problem is that i they bring Charley baxk as a regular, they kind of have to explain the R101, and the web of time, and her travelling with the Sixth Doctor, and the Viyrans, and Mila, and all that other complicated stuff. That's why the Charter should be changed. Charley as a regular can't work with all the baggage regardless of the Charter.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 5, 2017 16:16:23 GMT
That would be kind of unfair to audience completely unfamiliar to Big Finish. How are they supposed to know who this person is? And even if it was stated 'they're an old companion', it still wouldn't really mean anything to them. A few more Night of the Doctor-style nods would be nice, but I don't think a character crossing over is the right way to go. They aren't banned from using companions who originated in spin-offs. Witness Kate Stewart, who first appeared in Downtime. It was never explicitly linked to her background in Downtime (no mention of Brig's divorce etc), so they could get away with that. It's not an explicit ban, but it's more the audience can't be expected to know something from spin offs to understand onscreen stuff.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 5, 2017 18:20:51 GMT
That's why the Charter should be changed. Charley as a regular can't work with all the baggage regardless of the Charter. It could if you had to listen to the Big Finish audios in order to understand it.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 5, 2017 19:26:06 GMT
Charley as a regular can't work with all the baggage regardless of the Charter. It could if you had to listen to the Big Finish audios in order to understand it. And that relies on the audience spending money to understand something onscreen, which is unfair. Charley's best left on audio.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 5, 2017 19:50:14 GMT
It could if you had to listen to the Big Finish audios in order to understand it. And that relies on the audience spending money to understand something onscreen, which is unfair. Charley's best left on audio. Life is unfair. It could help the BBC's future.
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Post by relativetime on Feb 5, 2017 19:55:00 GMT
It wouldn't be too different to having Sarah Jane showing up in School Reunion, even though a lot of New Series fans wouldn't have known who she was. Personally, I would love to see Charley on TV, but she may have a bit too much backstory that they would need to explain. Lucie might be a better choice. Certainly appeals from the GRAND OVERLORDS OF THE BBC perspective, Sheridan Smith has had previous television experience in shows like Jonathan Creek, so there'd be less of a perceived risk. Personally, I'd like to be daring and have Lisa Bowerman appear. Come on, give Benny a go. To be honest, I'm a little surprised Benny hasn't even been name dropped in New Who, even vaguely, given how Davies and Moffat both wrote stories for Virgin. Of any character from the books, audios, and comics, I can easily see Bernice translating the best to television.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 5, 2017 20:11:09 GMT
And that relies on the audience spending money to understand something onscreen, which is unfair. Charley's best left on audio. Life is unfair. Which is why we don't get to see our favorite characters on TV.
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Post by aztec on Feb 5, 2017 20:13:58 GMT
Didn't Lisa Bowerman appear in The Fiveish Doctors when Moffat was dreaming about companions in his Office (haven't watched it since it was released so I might be mis-remembering things)? Wouldn't that make Benny canon as it was a BBC production? The way I'd reference BF characters would be to have the 13th Doctor pay another visit to the Black Archive and show the companion the board of photographs of previous companions seen in the 50th, only this time include photographs of the various BF companions as well ''Oh those are some of my many previous travelling companion'' ''What were their names?'' ''Well let's see...that's Ian, that's Jamie, Erimem...Evelyn...Benny...Fitz, Liv, Donna and Gabby...you are just one of many I've had over the years...''
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 5, 2017 20:16:21 GMT
Didn't Lisa Bowerman appear in The Fiveish Doctors when Moffat was dreaming about companions in his Office (haven't watched it since it was released so I might be mis-remembering things)? Wouldn't that make Benny canon as it was a BBC production? I think Moffat was dreaming about the actors, not the characters.
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