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Post by mbt66 on Feb 4, 2017 12:08:31 GMT
I like the idea of Clara splinters, that would work in about all the series. It could even be a nice arc for a multi-Doctor trilogy in the monthly range. 3 Doctors, 3 Claras. For me that idea is a lot more exciting than Big Finish adding the Twelfth Doctor. As the Clara splinters happened pre Capaldi Big Finish could legitimately use her, however I don't expect this to happen anytime soon. If it was to happen I doubt it would be in the main range I would expect a separate boxset release like Classic Doctors : New Monsters.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 14:38:40 GMT
Most of his fanbase are probably simply unaware of Big Finish. If limited editions are still available after this long, it ain't a good sign. As someone said further up the thread, that concern might have some validity if the audios were ONLY on sale in that limited edition. They were also available in unnumbered CDs and on download. Well, I didn't buy the Limited Edition CD set... and I am a Whovian! I did buy the download version though.
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 4, 2017 14:58:40 GMT
I think there's a few different factors when it comes to Big Finish sales, which are possibly more prevalent with the post-2005 releases, especially where the Tenth Doctor range is concerned.
You have the acquisition of one of the shows biggest and most popular TARDIS teams; the Tenth Doctor and Donna, as played by David Tennant and Catherine Tate. That's a real coup, which should bring in the sales. On the flip side, because it's such a coup, you have to consider the cost of getting these two into the studio, as well as the logistics of it all.
There's also the argument of potentially tapping into a new customer base of fans who grew up with the Tenth Doctor. I'm not entirely convinced about that myself but I think most of those customers would probably opt for the downloads. The reason I'm not convinced is because I don't think enough time has passed for it to be nostalgic. I'd be more inclined to do an original companion, but obviously David didn't want that, which is fair enough. You might as well get some Tenth Doctor material out than none at all! Titan are doing a good job at exploiting the specials anyway.
Personally, I am very surprised that the limited edition set hasn't sold out, but I don't think it's particularly worrying. My biggest surprise was the prices Big Finish got the three stories out at. I was also amazed they got four sets with John Hurt at just £20 a pop. If they do a second wave of 10 / Donna stories, then they may scrap the limited edition set, no big deal, though I really like mine.
Ultimately, we'll only know if there's more to come when David and Catherine are in studio recording, which is when Big Finish will announce it.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 4, 2017 15:02:34 GMT
I like the idea of Clara splinters, that would work in about all the series. It could even be a nice arc for a multi-Doctor trilogy in the monthly range. 3 Doctors, 3 Claras. It would certainly be something new.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 17:03:19 GMT
I think there's a few different factors when it comes to Big Finish sales, which are possibly more prevalent with the post-2005 releases, especially where the Tenth Doctor range is concerned. You have the acquisition of one of the shows biggest and most popular TARDIS teams; the Tenth Doctor and Donna, as played by David Tennant and Catherine Tate. That's a real coup, which should bring in the sales. On the flip side, because it's such a coup, you have to consider the cost of getting these two into the studio, as well as the logistics of it all. There's also the argument of potentially tapping into a new customer base of fans who grew up with the Tenth Doctor. I'm not entirely convinced about that myself but I think most of those customers would probably opt for the downloads. The reason I'm not convinced is because I don't think enough time has passed for it to be nostalgic. I'd be more inclined to do an original companion, but obviously David didn't want that, which is fair enough. You might as well get some Tenth Doctor material out than none at all! Titan are doing a good job at exploiting the specials anyway. Personally, I am very surprised that the limited edition set hasn't sold out, but I don't think it's particularly worrying. My biggest surprise was the prices Big Finish got the three stories out at. I was also amazed they got four sets with John Hurt at just £20 a pop. If they do a second wave of 10 / Donna stories, then they may scrap the limited edition set, no big deal, though I really like mine. Ultimately, we'll only know if there's more to come when David and Catherine are in studio recording, which is when Big Finish will announce it. Some really good points here. I agree that not enough time has passed for the Tenth Doctor's era to be nostalgic, and DT possibly feels that too, otherwise he may have been more open to a new companion rather than opting for the tried and tested successful partnership with Donna - which I'm certianly not complaining about. Their chemistry is great fun. If - and it is an if - the Tenth Doctor audios haven't sold as well as expected, it's because, I think, the vast majority of his fans would rather stick on a DVD if they wanted to be reminded of how good he was, rather than to sit down for an hour and listen to an audio. Big Finish can absolutely capitalise on the slower telling of the classic stories featuring Tom to Sylvester (at a stretch Paul, although his stories exist in their own 'universe'), but audio can never emulate - and neither should it - the fast-paced, effects-heavy sense of the post-2005 series. I realise I've helped derail this thread - sorry about that: I would love Peter Capaldi to do some audios. Whether he will or not is entirely up in the air. Reasons for - he evidently loves the show and grew up with the classic era, and seems genuinely gutted to be going. Reasons against - he's not a massive fan of 'merchandising', if what I read here is accurate, which is a shame. BF is rather more than that! But I respect his views. Also, it's far too early for him to even consider it, I think. As always, if anyone can tempt these people aboard the Big Finish ship, Nick and the gang can.
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Post by mrperson on Feb 4, 2017 17:27:38 GMT
I think there's a few different factors when it comes to Big Finish sales, which are possibly more prevalent with the post-2005 releases, especially where the Tenth Doctor range is concerned. You have the acquisition of one of the shows biggest and most popular TARDIS teams; the Tenth Doctor and Donna, as played by David Tennant and Catherine Tate. That's a real coup, which should bring in the sales. On the flip side, because it's such a coup, you have to consider the cost of getting these two into the studio, as well as the logistics of it all. There's also the argument of potentially tapping into a new customer base of fans who grew up with the Tenth Doctor. I'm not entirely convinced about that myself but I think most of those customers would probably opt for the downloads. The reason I'm not convinced is because I don't think enough time has passed for it to be nostalgic. I'd be more inclined to do an original companion, but obviously David didn't want that, which is fair enough. You might as well get some Tenth Doctor material out than none at all! Titan are doing a good job at exploiting the specials anyway. Personally, I am very surprised that the limited edition set hasn't sold out, but I don't think it's particularly worrying. My biggest surprise was the prices Big Finish got the three stories out at. I was also amazed they got four sets with John Hurt at just £20 a pop. If they do a second wave of 10 / Donna stories, then they may scrap the limited edition set, no big deal, though I really like mine. Ultimately, we'll only know if there's more to come when David and Catherine are in studio recording, which is when Big Finish will announce it. Some really good points here. I agree that not enough time has passed for the Tenth Doctor's era to be nostalgic, and DT possibly feels that too, otherwise he may have been more open to a new companion rather than opting for the tried and tested successful partnership with Donna - which I'm certianly not complaining about. Their chemistry is great fun. If - and it is an if - the Tenth Doctor audios haven't sold as well as expected, it's because, I think, the vast majority of his fans would rather stick on a DVD if they wanted to be reminded of how good he was, rather than to sit down for an hour and listen to an audio. Big Finish can absolutely capitalise on the slower telling of the classic stories featuring Tom to Sylvester (at a stretch Paul, although his stories exist in their own 'universe'), but audio can never emulate - and neither should it - the fast-paced, effects-heavy sense of the post-2005 series.
I realise I've helped derail this thread - sorry about that: I would love Peter Capaldi to do some audios. Whether he will or not is entirely up in the air. Reasons for - he evidently loves the show and grew up with the classic era, and seems genuinely gutted to be going. Reasons against - he's not a massive fan of 'merchandising', if what I read here is accurate, which is a shame. BF is rather more than that! But I respect his views. Also, it's far too early for him to even consider it, I think. As always, if anyone can tempt these people aboard the Big Finish ship, Nick and the gang can. Not sure I entirely agree with the bolded. While I certainly enjoy the slower pace of the original series, they have put out plenty of excellent fast-paced stories; pretty much all their one-hour episodes have to be. As for effects, they can do more simply because they don't have to pay to CGI it. You make them up in your head. How much would it cost to put The Neverwhen on TV, for example...
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Post by aztec on Feb 4, 2017 18:15:42 GMT
I think it's important to remember Audio Drama is a relatively niche format and due to the BBC Charter the TV series can't reference or promote the BF stories directly, the vast majority of fans will probably and sadly never hear about Big Finish, I'm British and radio drama is still very popular in the UK...but I had never listened to an audio drama until about 2 1/2 years ago, it's a much more niche format in other countries, New Who fans tend to be younger than Classic Who viewers and might not have A) The money to devote to audio dramas and B) Be interested in it, I've recommended BF to quite a few people online but some have written off the format before they gave it a chance i.e ''I can stream a whole TV series for $10 a month, but I'm expected to pay $20 for three hours of audio with no visuals?, sounds kinda boring...''
Their loss...
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 4, 2017 18:23:45 GMT
I think it's important to remember Audio Drama is a relatively niche format and due to the BBC Charter the TV series can't reference or promote the BF stories directly, the vast majority of fans will probably and sadly never hear about Big Finish That's one of the changes that should be made to the BBC Charter IMO. I think the BBC should be allowed to reference their own products in order to secure their own future - because a future without the BBC scarcely bears thinking about. If they were allowed to make reference to things like Big Finish and the new series books it may help improve the merchandising and financial side of BBC Worldwide, thereby allowing more hype to be created around BBC shows and securing higher ratings as a result, leading to less of the license fee money being wasted on shows nobody's watching.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 4, 2017 18:25:37 GMT
I think it's important to remember Audio Drama is a relatively niche format and due to the BBC Charter the TV series can't reference or promote the BF stories directly, the vast majority of fans will probably and sadly never hear about Big Finish That's one of the changes that should be made to the BBC Charter IMO. I think the BBC should be allowed to reference their own products in order to secure their own future - because a future without the BBC scarcely bears thinking about. If they were allowed to make reference to things like Big Finish and the new series books it may help improve the merchandising and financial side of BBC Worldwide, thereby allowing more hype to be created around BBC shows and securing higher ratings as a result, leading to less of the license fee money being wasted on shows nobody's watching. I think they should be allowed to reference it, as long as they don't do stories where you need to listen to BF to understand what is going on.
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Post by aztec on Feb 4, 2017 18:28:43 GMT
I think it's important to remember Audio Drama is a relatively niche format and due to the BBC Charter the TV series can't reference or promote the BF stories directly, the vast majority of fans will probably and sadly never hear about Big Finish That's one of the changes that should be made to the BBC Charter IMO. I think the BBC should be allowed to reference their own products in order to secure their own future - because a future without the BBC scarcely bears thinking about. If they were allowed to make reference to things like Big Finish and the new series books it may help improve the merchandising and financial side of BBC Worldwide, thereby allowing more hype to be created around BBC shows and securing higher ratings as a result, leading to less of the license fee money being wasted on shows nobody's watching. I get where you are coming from and I'd certainly love more references to BF or the comics/novels etc, but I personally treasure the idea of a (generally) impartial broadcaster that isn't supposed to take purely commercial decisions all the time when commissioning programs. Though if the Tories have their way we might not have much of a BBC left in a few years. When is the Charter next due for negotiation? The official Doctor Who facebook does promote or feature news and sales on BF/Titan stories from time to time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 19:42:37 GMT
That's one of the changes that should be made to the BBC Charter IMO. I think the BBC should be allowed to reference their own products in order to secure their own future - because a future without the BBC scarcely bears thinking about. If they were allowed to make reference to things like Big Finish and the new series books it may help improve the merchandising and financial side of BBC Worldwide, thereby allowing more hype to be created around BBC shows and securing higher ratings as a result, leading to less of the license fee money being wasted on shows nobody's watching. I think they should be allowed to reference it, as long as they don't do stories where you need to listen to BF to understand what is going on. That's pretty much how the Charter puts it.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 4, 2017 21:23:05 GMT
I think it's important to remember Audio Drama is a relatively niche format and due to the BBC Charter the TV series can't reference or promote the BF stories directly, the vast majority of fans will probably and sadly never hear about Big Finish That's one of the changes that should be made to the BBC Charter IMO. I think the BBC should be allowed to reference their own products in order to secure their own future - because a future without the BBC scarcely bears thinking about. If they were allowed to make reference to things like Big Finish and the new series books it may help improve the merchandising and financial side of BBC Worldwide, thereby allowing more hype to be created around BBC shows and securing higher ratings as a result, leading to less of the license fee money being wasted on shows nobody's watching. Thing is Big Finish's audios are not a BBC product. The BBC will receive some money from Big Finish sales due to the licence agreement but most goes straight to Big Finish (as it should). Thus it's not BBC products and the BBC cannot directly promote another company's products. Big Finish is an independent company and thus cannot be directly promoted by the BBC. (Though subtle nods like Night of the Doctor are fine) The new series books on the other hand it can and indeed does promote (often immediately after episodes have aired they advertise some new novels or tie-in book) because that it published under BBC Books, which is directly affiliated with the BBC itself.
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Feb 4, 2017 21:30:55 GMT
It would be interesting to have the Capaldi Doctor vs the Macqueen Master
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 4, 2017 22:34:44 GMT
I think there's a few different factors when it comes to Big Finish sales, which are possibly more prevalent with the post-2005 releases, especially where the Tenth Doctor range is concerned. You have the acquisition of one of the shows biggest and most popular TARDIS teams; the Tenth Doctor and Donna, as played by David Tennant and Catherine Tate. That's a real coup, which should bring in the sales. On the flip side, because it's such a coup, you have to consider the cost of getting these two into the studio, as well as the logistics of it all. There's also the argument of potentially tapping into a new customer base of fans who grew up with the Tenth Doctor. I'm not entirely convinced about that myself but I think most of those customers would probably opt for the downloads. The reason I'm not convinced is because I don't think enough time has passed for it to be nostalgic. I'd be more inclined to do an original companion, but obviously David didn't want that, which is fair enough. You might as well get some Tenth Doctor material out than none at all! Titan are doing a good job at exploiting the specials anyway. Personally, I am very surprised that the limited edition set hasn't sold out, but I don't think it's particularly worrying. My biggest surprise was the prices Big Finish got the three stories out at. I was also amazed they got four sets with John Hurt at just £20 a pop. If they do a second wave of 10 / Donna stories, then they may scrap the limited edition set, no big deal, though I really like mine. Ultimately, we'll only know if there's more to come when David and Catherine are in studio recording, which is when Big Finish will announce it. The 10th and Donna is the only combination that my wife likes in the new series, she wont watch any of the others, she will watch all Tom Baker, and previous, some of Peter Davison, cause she really don't like Tegan's whining. She will watch all of Ace, but none of Benny, and she's finally comin round to Colin's time. She listened to the 10th doctor series with me, while I was working, and that's the only BF product she has ever listened to all the way thru, and she goes with me at least once a week, but she takes her MP3 player. Still, I outkicked my coverage when I married, in other words, i'll never win the powerball, I already hit the lottery.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 4, 2017 22:41:02 GMT
That's one of the changes that should be made to the BBC Charter IMO. I think the BBC should be allowed to reference their own products in order to secure their own future - because a future without the BBC scarcely bears thinking about. If they were allowed to make reference to things like Big Finish and the new series books it may help improve the merchandising and financial side of BBC Worldwide, thereby allowing more hype to be created around BBC shows and securing higher ratings as a result, leading to less of the license fee money being wasted on shows nobody's watching. Thing is Big Finish's audios are not a BBC product. The BBC will receive some money from Big Finish sales due to the licence agreement but most goes straight to Big Finish (as it should). Thus it's not BBC products and the BBC cannot directly promote another company's products. Big Finish is an independent company and thus cannot be directly promoted by the BBC. (Though subtle nods like Night of the Doctor are fine) The new series books on the other hand it can and indeed does promote (often immediately after episodes have aired they advertise some new novels or tie-in book) because that it published under BBC Books, which is directly affiliated with the BBC itself. Compared to how things are done in America, that is really weird. Don't want to upset anyone, but if Doctor who was owned by an American company, that company would be into everything, cross promoting and trying to sell the other's products knowing that the more fans they attract, the better it is for everyone. I really don't get why the BBC doesn't get this, or if they are just forbidden by the laws not to do this. I was a Doctor Who junkie for my whole life, and I didn't discover BF till bout, let's see, bout 2 years ago now, so I spent a small fortune in 2 years catching up, now I need a 3rd stand up cd cabinet just to store BF cd's on. I still buy the DVD's and watch Doctor Who, I'm just more of a junkie than I used to be, I need a bigger hit nowadays.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 4, 2017 22:42:24 GMT
It would be interesting to have the Capaldi Doctor vs the McQueen Master Beevers as the Master should have his own BF range, IMO, he is just that damn good...I can feel him in the truck with me sometimes, It can be downright spooky. MacQueen, is really good, and I could go for that idea.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 4, 2017 23:24:29 GMT
That's one of the changes that should be made to the BBC Charter IMO. I think the BBC should be allowed to reference their own products in order to secure their own future - because a future without the BBC scarcely bears thinking about. If they were allowed to make reference to things like Big Finish and the new series books it may help improve the merchandising and financial side of BBC Worldwide, thereby allowing more hype to be created around BBC shows and securing higher ratings as a result, leading to less of the license fee money being wasted on shows nobody's watching. I get where you are coming from and I'd certainly love more references to BF or the comics/novels etc, but I personally treasure the idea of a (generally) impartial broadcaster that isn't supposed to take purely commercial decisions all the time when commissioning programs. Though if the Tories have their way we might not have much of a BBC left in a few years. When is the Charter next due for negotiation? The official Doctor Who facebook does promote or feature news and sales on BF/Titan stories from time to time. That's why they need to change the Charter as soon as possible. It needs to become more commercial and less impartial. They shouldn't add adverts, but they should be allowed to plug their own merchandise beyond just DVDs/Blu-rays at the end of episodes of dramas. I think they should be allowed to reference it, as long as they don't do stories where you need to listen to BF to understand what is going on. That's pretty much how the Charter puts it. But the Charter doesn't allow them to explicitly introduce a Big Finish companion to television, which I think is something that should be changed.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 4, 2017 23:31:52 GMT
Thing is Big Finish's audios are not a BBC product. The BBC will receive some money from Big Finish sales due to the licence agreement but most goes straight to Big Finish (as it should). Thus it's not BBC products and the BBC cannot directly promote another company's products. Big Finish is an independent company and thus cannot be directly promoted by the BBC. (Though subtle nods like Night of the Doctor are fine) The new series books on the other hand it can and indeed does promote (often immediately after episodes have aired they advertise some new novels or tie-in book) because that it published under BBC Books, which is directly affiliated with the BBC itself. Compared to how things are done in America, that is really weird. Don't want to upset anyone, but if Doctor who was owned by an American company, that company would be into everything, cross promoting and trying to sell the other's products knowing that the more fans they attract, the better it is for everyone. I really don't get why the BBC doesn't get this, or if they are just forbidden by the laws not to do this. I was a Doctor Who junkie for my whole life, and I didn't discover BF till bout, let's see, bout 2 years ago now, so I spent a small fortune in 2 years catching up, now I need a 3rd stand up cd cabinet just to store BF cd's on. I still buy the DVD's and watch Doctor Who, I'm just more of a junkie than I used to be, I need a bigger hit nowadays. It's because the BBC is publicly owned so is meant to be put any money it makes into making shows, so it's a no to advertising private companies like Big Finish. It's in the BBC charter, so is law. Tbh I'm ok with this staying as it is, it's one of those protections to stop the BBC becoming a private company.
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 4, 2017 23:32:22 GMT
Just going back to the Tenth Doctor again, though it'll link back to the Twelfth, I promise!
I think another thing to consider with the Tenth Doctor era, which affects Big Finish, is that it mostly feels complete, at least to me. You have a series with Rose, a series with Martha and then a series with Donna. The gaps in between seem pretty much non-existent from a narrative point of view. Of course, there's nothing stopping dozens more adventures with each of them and the Doctor, but it doesn't really add anything on a story basis, does it? That's where nostalgia comes into play and I honestly don't think enough time has passed since Tennant's departure for that to really come into play as this moment in time. Perhaps Tennant thinks this himself?
Obviously there is the gap in the specials year to play with but, as I said earlier in the day, Tennant seems reluctant to go down that route and it's something Titan are already doing.
Big Finish have fallen lucky with most of the Doctors they've acquired. When they first launched the Doctor Who range in 1999, they had one incarnation who one would consider to be nostalgic (the Fifth) and the other two who could be labelled nostalgic but, more importantly, were shafted out of eras on television (the Sixth and Seventh). The Eighth Doctors era was uncharted territory, so was essentially brand new. The same goes for the War Doctor. The Fourth Doctor product from Big Finish absolutely writhes in nostalgia.
It just leaves the Tenth as a bit of an oddity at the moment. I thought the three stories were all brilliant personally, I'm just speculating on different factors.
Which finally brings me onto the Twelfth Doctor. His era has been crafted as the complete opposite of the Tenth's, it's full of gaps that have been purposely left open for exploration at some point in the future. That said, I think there's loads of things that could be done using elements from the Twelfth Doctor's era without the need for Peter Capaldi. The same goes for the Tenth.
Just a few points I've thought about!
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Post by sherlock on Feb 4, 2017 23:34:32 GMT
That's pretty much how the Charter puts it. But the Charter doesn't allow them to explicitly introduce a Big Finish companion to television, which I think is something that should be changed. That would be kind of unfair to audience completely unfamiliar to Big Finish. How are they supposed to know who this person is? And even if it was stated 'they're an old companion', it still wouldn't really mean anything to them. A few more Night of the Doctor-style nods would be nice, but I don't think a character crossing over is the right way to go.
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