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Post by Bazoolium on Mar 26, 2017 13:03:59 GMT
Anything with Jago and Litefoot is wonderful, but I think this was a little disappointing. Not much happened until the end.
Excellent performances. I just home the story improves.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 26, 2017 15:57:15 GMT
Anything with Jago and Litefoot is wonderful, but I think this was a little disappointing. Not much happened until the end. Excellent performances. I just home the story improves. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I wish the alien spider-centipede creature had been introduced earlier on. |
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Post by Zagreus on Mar 26, 2017 16:29:24 GMT
{Spoiler}
In the framing sequence, when Litefoot is addressing the crowd, I caught the Prof Challenger reference, the Invisible Man reference, but what was the asteroid one?
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Post by melkur on Mar 26, 2017 16:48:52 GMT
Well, the early release was a pleasant surprise after a long and tiring day at work!
I'm probably not going to be able to listen to this until bed (I'm cooking this evening & I have a couple of other things to do beforehand), but I can't wait to listen to this!
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Post by Zagreus on Mar 26, 2017 16:53:19 GMT
A thrilling little tale, I eagerly await the next act  |
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Post by someguy on Mar 27, 2017 3:48:50 GMT
Wow. Unless part two is super packed, I don't see why this couldn't have just been one release instead of two. I can't exactly blame BF for trying to get as much out of anything remotely Tennant-related, but at this point it feels like they're milking it a bit.
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Post by Zagreus on Mar 27, 2017 4:07:42 GMT
Wow. Unless part two is super packed, I don't see why this couldn't have just been one release instead of two. I can't exactly blame BF for trying to get as much out of anything remotely Tennant-related, but at this point it feels like they're milking it a bit. The short trips are all typically half and hour long on average. I suppose they could have just released a double length episode, but it's got two actors and is an hour and a bit long, so I can see why they'd split it up. |
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Post by omega on Mar 27, 2017 9:02:36 GMT
The island of Minos was the setting for another Jonathan Barnes story, the largely forgettable and underplotted Persuasion with the Seventh Doctor. Jean Bazemore appeared in the series 11 episode Jago & Son, played by Rowena Cooper. This story takes place after series 9, as Jago refers to their eventful cruise from that box set.
Jago and Litefoot independently identify and accept the Tenth Doctor as the Doctor, so they've obviously met more than one incarnation before. Not that hard when they've encountered both the Fourth Doctor and the Sixth Doctor already.
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Post by number13 on Mar 27, 2017 10:57:06 GMT
There seem to be an unusual number of critical comments about this story - I thought it was excellent and I eagerly anticipate Act 2 and the theatrical tones of the incomparable compeer Mr Jago.
Now, I'm not wanting to be critical of New Who v. Classic Who (or the fans of either), but there is a marked difference in styles and I think your preference may well affect your views of this story.
As a confirmed Classic Who fan, I came to this story because of J&L and I loved Act 1, its pacing, phrasing and the time given to characters to spin their yarn at their own speed.
In other words, judging by Act 1, it's a Classic Who story which just happens to have the Tenth Doctor in it, rather than any of the classic Doctors.
This was a novelty, but so far at least he could have been any of his classic selves (the more energetic ones at least) without affecting the storyline in any way.
What I'm trying to say (not very coherently) is that judging by Act 1, this story is perhaps more suited to fans who prefer the classic series and wanted a J&L story, rather than those who have really come looking for a Tenth Doctor adventure in New Who style? (And again, I'm not criticising either New Who or fans who prefer the new series.)
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 27, 2017 11:00:07 GMT
It should however have been the other way round: new series Doctor, new series pacing.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 27, 2017 11:28:24 GMT
Loved it!
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Post by number13 on Mar 27, 2017 11:50:04 GMT
It should however have been the other way round: new series Doctor, new series pacing. I see your point, but if we think of this as a Companion Chronicle split into two Short Trips, the emphasis is always on the companion(s) in the CCs, not the Doctor. Or if it's seen as part of the J&L range, they are the star characters as usual; when the Doctor appears with them he's in a supporting role. So I took it for granted that this was a J&L story and would be in the Classic era style of J&L and their other stories, whichever Doctor they happen to be meeting this time. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 27, 2017 11:55:24 GMT
It should however have been the other way round: new series Doctor, new series pacing. I see your point, but if we think of this as a Companion Chronicle split into two Short Trips, the emphasis is always on the companion(s) in the CCs, not the Doctor. Or if it's seen as part of the J&L range, they are the star characters as usual; when the Doctor appears with them he's in a supporting role. So I took it for granted that this was a J&L story and would be in the Classic era style of J&L and their other stories, whichever Doctor they happen to be meeting this time. This release was called The Jago & Litefoot Revival though, so giving it new series pacing as though Jago & Litefoot was being revived in the same way as Doctor Who was in 2005 would have made more sense to me. |
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Post by number13 on Mar 27, 2017 12:25:32 GMT
I see your point, but if we think of this as a Companion Chronicle split into two Short Trips, the emphasis is always on the companion(s) in the CCs, not the Doctor. Or if it's seen as part of the J&L range, they are the star characters as usual; when the Doctor appears with them he's in a supporting role. So I took it for granted that this was a J&L story and would be in the Classic era style of J&L and their other stories, whichever Doctor they happen to be meeting this time. This release was called The Jago & Litefoot Revival though, so giving it new series pacing as though Jago & Litefoot was being revived in the same way as Doctor Who was in 2005 would have made more sense to me. Ah - I see how you interpreted it and it would have made sense in that context. The 'Revival' tag was an interesting one and there was a good post thinking about exactly what it might mean a while back (I forget by whom). {Spoiler}
But right at the start Prof. Litefoot makes it clear that he means the revival of their (J&L's) spirits after a quiet spell with no weird happenings which left them bored and in a state (as he puts it) of melancholia.
Although from some of the hints in his opening remarks about the hellish realm where their adventure took them, I do wonder if another sort of revival (from that realm) might be on the way too? |
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Post by tardybox on Mar 27, 2017 13:12:11 GMT
I loved it! I did think it spent a little while getting to the Doctor himself, but hey... You wait half an hour for a Doctor and two turn up at the same time!  |
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 27, 2017 13:17:33 GMT
What I'm trying to say (not very coherently) is that judging by Act 1, this story is perhaps more suited to fans who prefer the classic series and wanted a J&L story, rather than those who have really come looking for a Tenth Doctor adventure in New Who style? (And again, I'm not criticising either New Who or fans who prefer the new series.) Sounds perfectly coherent to me and I'm not sure I'd disagree easily. Perhaps the next part will be more accommodating to New Series fans so we sort of get the best of both worlds across the two installments? |
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Post by relativetime on Mar 27, 2017 13:45:18 GMT
Never a more exquisitely entertaining endeavor has ever entered my ears! Alright, I confess to adding a little dramatic flare, but I did really enjoy this one. I was surprised by the end but the minute I heard {Spoiler}
the juggler was wearing a fez, I couldn't stop grinning!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 27, 2017 14:15:44 GMT
Never a more exquisitely entertaining endeavor has ever entered my ears! Alright, I confess to adding a little dramatic flare, but I did really enjoy this one. I was surprised by the end but the minute I heard {Spoiler}
the juggler was wearing a fez, I couldn't stop grinning!
When I heard that, I wondered if he was the 11th Doctor. But then he was killed by that weird Spider Centipede creature so probably not. Unless it was the Teselecta disguised as the 11th Doctor, with 11 inside. |
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Post by number13 on Mar 27, 2017 14:30:58 GMT
Never a more exquisitely entertaining endeavor has ever entered my ears! Alright, I confess to adding a little dramatic flare, but I did really enjoy this one. I was surprised by the end but the minute I heard {Spoiler}
the juggler was wearing a fez, I couldn't stop grinning!
When I heard that, I wondered {Spoiler}
if he was the 11th Doctor. But then he was killed by that weird Spider Centipede creature so probably not. Unless it was the Teselecta disguised as the 11th Doctor, with 11 inside. {Spoiler}
Nobody died as far as I could tell apart from the pest exterminator, earlier on. At the end, the creature 'flung itself' at the Doctor and Jago, but they were still OK when - da da da dum - the cliff-hanger ending! No doubt Act 2 will reveal all...
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 27, 2017 14:36:21 GMT
When I heard that, I wondered {Spoiler}
if he was the 11th Doctor. But then he was killed by that weird Spider Centipede creature so probably not. Unless it was the Teselecta disguised as the 11th Doctor, with 11 inside. Blank posts are nice. |
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