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Post by jasonward on Apr 16, 2017 10:50:52 GMT
What a load of bollocks. If Julie Bindel thinks that scene was kinky, I suggest she stop her rabid ranting and go out into the world and get some real kinky action and gain perspective. I'm a hetro sexual man, who is more than happy to think about/watch some girl on girl stuff, nothing in The Pilot came within a country mile of causing me to be titillated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 10:56:20 GMT
'The Pilot' got 4.64 million viewers last night, slightly up on 'The Magician's Apprentice' which opened series 9. It was Saturday's third most watched show in the UK, behind 'All Round to Mrs Brown's' (4.74) and 'Britain's Got Talent', which reached (8.65).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 10:59:48 GMT
What a load of bollocks. If Julie Bindel thinks that scene was kinky, I suggest she stop her rabid ranting and go out into the world and get some real kinky action and gain perspective. I'm a hetro sexual man, who is more than happy to think about/watch some girl on girl stuff, nothing in The Pilot came within a country mile of causing me to be titillated. Only The Daily Mail could do this. Outrageous and prehistoric. They tried to kick up a fuss when, in 'Deep Breath' The Doctor pulled a hair from Clara's head, warning that children throughout the land would start pulling each others' hair. A horrible, horrible fossil of a 'newspaper'. I just think along the lines of, no-one will take this **** seriously, and no publicity is bad publicity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 11:09:00 GMT
'The Pilot' got 4.64 million viewers last night, slightly up on 'The Magician's Apprentice' which opened series 9. It was Saturday's third most watched show in the UK, behind 'All Round to Mrs Brown's' (4.74) and 'Britain's Got Talent', which reached (8.65). Well, I still think the problem's Capaldi's Doctor and not the timeslot, but it probably would have benefited being broadcast earlier.
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Post by jasonward on Apr 16, 2017 11:12:10 GMT
'The Pilot' got 4.64 million viewers last night, slightly up on 'The Magician's Apprentice' which opened series 9. It was Saturday's third most watched show in the UK, behind 'All Round to Mrs Brown's' (4.74) and 'Britain's Got Talent', which reached (8.65). Well, I still think the problem's Capaldi's Doctor and not the timeslot, but it probably would have benefited being broadcast earlier. It was the 3rd most watch program in the UK, but you appear to disappointed by the viewing numbers?
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Post by sherlock on Apr 16, 2017 11:13:26 GMT
'The Pilot' got 4.64 million viewers last night, slightly up on 'The Magician's Apprentice' which opened series 9. It was Saturday's third most watched show in the UK, behind 'All Round to Mrs Brown's' (4.74) and 'Britain's Got Talent', which reached (8.65). Third most watched is perfectly respectable. Though I will never understand the appeal of Mrs Brown's.
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Post by omega on Apr 16, 2017 11:19:46 GMT
'The Pilot' got 4.64 million viewers last night, slightly up on 'The Magician's Apprentice' which opened series 9. It was Saturday's third most watched show in the UK, behind 'All Round to Mrs Brown's' (4.74) and 'Britain's Got Talent', which reached (8.65). Third most watched is perfectly respectable. Though I will never understand the appeal of Mrs Brown's. I don't understand the appeal of so called "reality" and "talent" shows, yet they seem to get strong ratings no matter how awful the premise. There's one where you live in an apartment with your ex. I'm not sure there'll be much deposit to expect once the tenancy is up.
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Post by omega on Apr 16, 2017 11:22:21 GMT
I liked this episode. Bill is a great character, and the way she's the POV character is very RTD of Moffat. I liked how the antagonist wasn't actually an antagonist at all, just someone or something going to great lengths to fulfill a promise. My favorite scene was Bill looking at the pictures of her mother the Doctor gave her. On GB someone commented that he didn't give her a present, he gave her a past.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 11:24:04 GMT
Well, I still think the problem's Capaldi's Doctor and not the timeslot, but it probably would have benefited being broadcast earlier. It was the 3rd most watch program in the UK, but you appear to disappointed by the viewing numbers? The show gets money based on the viewing figures not position in the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 11:25:46 GMT
It'll beat Mrs Brown easily when the +28 days is taken into account and we get the "real" figure. A good solid if unpsectacular result. Also interesting is the audience share is up around 3% on 2015 so it's an all round better figure at a time where shows across the board are seeing ratings go down - we moan about losing a million, Eastender's ratings have halved in the past few years and no-one ever says that'll be cancelled. So, yeah, if the word of mouth is good - and it is - this should get about 6.5mill on the final figure maybe even 7m which would be smashing. Remember that for all the worry from some quarters about the Series 9 rating the show was renewed for two series on the basis of that performance, not one but two full series. Clearly the Beeb weren't as worried as some fans - those who permanently think Michael Grade is coming back or others who like causing a bit of trouble because of a dislike for the new series.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 11:28:33 GMT
Third most watched is perfectly respectable. Though I will never understand the appeal of Mrs Brown's. I don't understand the appeal of so called "reality" and "talent" shows, yet they seem to get strong ratings no matter how awful the premise. There's one where you live in an apartment with your ex. I'm not sure there'll be much deposit to expect once the tenancy is up. You are not alone. They seem to have become the 'new soap operas' in that they are greatly discussed, and the contestants - or whatever you call them - use them as a furtherance to their careers. They aren't called 'car-crash' TV for no reason! And yet, while it's pretty nauseating to see such rubbish as 'BGT' claim four million viewers more than Doctor Who (the gap will probably widen next week), the fact is that it is hugely popular, and yes, Doctor Who is the third most watched show of th day, and is likely to time-shift at least a couple of million viewers. Also - Doctor Who seems to be achieving what it hasn't done for quite a while. Critical acclaim (apart from the Daily Mail's outrage of course), and overall fan approval. Which doesn't often happen.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 16, 2017 11:33:21 GMT
It was the 3rd most watch program in the UK, but you appear to disappointed by the viewing numbers? The show gets money based on the viewing figures not position in the charts. Its the same thing surely, 3rd in charts means 3rd most popular, so it justifies its money.
Just have to solve the riddle of why 4 million more people would rather see general public talent acts "live" rather then scripted drama or is it just the "Ant and Dec Effect"?
(Its currently NO2 on I-Player)
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Post by omega on Apr 16, 2017 11:36:07 GMT
I don't understand the appeal of so called "reality" and "talent" shows, yet they seem to get strong ratings no matter how awful the premise. There's one where you live in an apartment with your ex. I'm not sure there'll be much deposit to expect once the tenancy is up. You are not alone. They seem to have become the 'new soap operas' in that they are greatly discussed, and the contestants - or whatever you call them - use them as a furtherance to their careers. They aren't called 'car-crash' TV for no reason! And yet, while it's pretty nauseating to see such rubbish as 'BGT' claim four million viewers more than Doctor Who (the gap will probably widen next week), the fact is that it is hugely popular, and yes, Doctor Who is the third most watched show of th day, and is likely to time-shift at least a couple of million viewers. Also - Doctor Who seems to be achieving what it hasn't done for quite a while. Critical acclaim (apart from the Daily Mail's outrage of course), and overall fan approval. Which doesn't often happen. It's all manufactured personalities designed to get viewers talking. Do I really care that the bachelor promotes the Paleo diet? Apart from One Direction, name one X-Factor or singing show group or person that's still got an active career. Might as well sink that money into proper dramas with actual creative merit. Or at least make the people who greenlight this crap go through it themselves. If they can't take it, then they have no reason to subject others to it, or they are just horrible people. Plus people will be watching the episodes of Doctor Who for years to come. No sane person goes back and rewatches an episode of Britain's Got Talent from four or five years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 11:49:13 GMT
You are not alone. They seem to have become the 'new soap operas' in that they are greatly discussed, and the contestants - or whatever you call them - use them as a furtherance to their careers. They aren't called 'car-crash' TV for no reason! And yet, while it's pretty nauseating to see such rubbish as 'BGT' claim four million viewers more than Doctor Who (the gap will probably widen next week), the fact is that it is hugely popular, and yes, Doctor Who is the third most watched show of th day, and is likely to time-shift at least a couple of million viewers. Also - Doctor Who seems to be achieving what it hasn't done for quite a while. Critical acclaim (apart from the Daily Mail's outrage of course), and overall fan approval. Which doesn't often happen. It's all manufactured personalities designed to get viewers talking. Do I really care that the bachelor promotes the Paleo diet? Apart from One Direction, name one X-Factor or singing show group or person that's still got an active career. Might as well sink that money into proper dramas with actual creative merit. Or at least make the people who greenlight this crap go through it themselves. If they can't take it, then they have no reason to subject others to it, or they are just horrible people. Plus people will be watching the episodes of Doctor Who for years to come. No sane person goes back and rewatches an episode of Britain's Got Talent from four or five years ago. It's cheap telly that pays for itself through public votes. "Sinking that money into drama" isn't really an option - Line Of Duty is terrific but it doesn't have an instant income stream and has massive overheads in pre-production that reality shows skip entirely. It's not an either/or situation. And, in the case of the Beeb, reality (under Entertainment) and the drama are from entirely different budgets so again, it wouldn't be an either/or. It's two different departments using their funds. Piers Wenger, head of Drama (and former Who producer of course) is not paying for these reality shows, it's not coming from his budget. No harm to drama. Besides, the ratings show people enjoy these reality shows on a Saturday. Why not just let them? When the Beeb did show The Musketeers and Atlantis on a Satudray, what happened? Ratings were poor. Robin Hood got one good season before a massive ratings fall on a Saturday. As long as there's something for all, I'm fine with these shows being on despite having zero interest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 11:57:50 GMT
The show gets money based on the viewing figures not position in the charts. Its the same thing surely, 3rd in charts means 3rd most popular, so it justifies its money.
Just have to solve the riddle of why 4 million more people would rather see general public talent acts "live" rather then scripted drama or is it just the "Ant and Dec Effect"?
(Its currently NO2 on I-Player)
Regards
mark687
The "Ant and Dec effect" is non-existent - light entertainment has always been the biggest performer on a Saturday night from before they were born.In 1979, Who got it's highest ever ratings thanks to the ITV strike making it the only game in town - but at the end of the year it was still beaten by Larry Grayson's Generation Game, Benny Hill, Mike Yarwood and Blankety Blank. Sale Of The Century was the most watched in '78. Reality/talent/gameshows being Saturay night winners is really nothing new, just with a different face. Opium for the masses? Maybe, but I think a lot of people just like something breezy to stick on with the family after a long week at work.
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Post by jasonward on Apr 16, 2017 11:59:17 GMT
It was the 3rd most watch program in the UK, but you appear to disappointed by the viewing numbers? The show gets money based on the viewing figures not position in the charts. What? Since when did the BBC work like that? Never as far as I know. In a commercial setting, sure you need viewing numbers to attract advertisers, but even then its not quite as simple as more is better if you can hit important (important to advertisers) demographics. Sure Who is know partly funded by BBC Worldwide and they will be very concerned with viewer figure, but those outside of the UK.
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Post by theotherjosh on Apr 16, 2017 14:14:48 GMT
Hmmm...Some very preliminary initial thoughts. I recorded it last night and we planned to watch it later this evening. I turned it on with the intention of just watching it briefly to verify that it had recorded correctly, and before you knew it we had watched the entire thing.
It's annoying that the episode is titled Pilot because it adds another layer of complication when I want to find information about it online.
I love Bill. She's a great POV character. Seeing Bill made me realize how bad Clara was at fulfilling the audience surrogate role of a companion. I think she may already be my favorite companion of the revived series.
Several callbacks to Rose, the episode, what with the alarm clock and the fast cuts. That's fine. I grew to dislike Rose (the character) over the course of her tenure, but that episode was a great introduction to the Doctor Who Mythos.
What was the time frame of the episode? We seem to be early in the school year. then we have Christmas, then Bill is wearing short sleeves? It could be that old Doctor Who standby, freak localized weather conditions, but it just seemed odd to me.
They messed up the shadows during the night scene. Bill's shadow was facing in front of her when the camera was behind her and behind her when it was from Heather's perspective. I assume that had to be because of lighting issues for a night shoot, but it was enough of a gaffe to be immersion breaking.
I liked that the Doctor asked Bill, "What's wrong?" when he observes that she's upset. That's not a question he would have thought to ask in his first series.
I love seeing the Movellans, but that whole Dalek scene. Ugh. It didn't add anything (except Daleks, which was probably the point). I think the Daleks are overused (Don't exterminate me, Mister Briggs!) and this did nothing to alleviate that impression.
Bill is gay, which is fine. However, I'm extremely leery of Moffat writing a gay character because he seems to view women through the lens of their sexual attraction and I don't think his characterization of the female characters during his run has been very nuanced.
Is a Mind Wipe really the Doctor's go-to solution these days? Donna's scene back in the RTD was troubling, to say nothing of Hell Bent. I like Doctor Who the most when the Doctor is empowering people, and taking away their memories is anathema to that. He's taking away their agency and that's something the character should not do. Yeah, he didn't go through with it, but he would have, and I think it's wrong that the Doctor would be inclined to the quick and easy solution.
Bottom line, the episode had some issues, but nothing deal breaking. Pearl as Bill was outstanding. Capaldi seems to have finally found his groove. Nardole was present! I have some concerns, but I'm more interested in the television show than I have been in years.
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Post by elkawho on Apr 16, 2017 14:47:25 GMT
Hmmm...Some very preliminary initial thoughts. I recorded it last night and we planned to watch it later this evening. I turned it on with the intention of just watching it briefly to verify that it had recorded correctly, and before you knew it we had watched the entire thing. It's annoying that the episode is titled Pilot because it adds another layer of complication when I want to find information about it online. I love Bill. She's a great POV character. Seeing Bill made me realize how bad Clara was at fulfilling the audience surrogate role of a companion. I think she may already be my favorite companion of the revived series. Several callbacks to Rose, the episode, what with the alarm clock and the fast cuts. That's fine. I grew to dislike Rose (the character) over the course of her tenure, but that episode was a great introduction to the Doctor Who Mythos. What was the time frame of the episode? We seem to be early in the school year. then we have Christmas, then Bill is wearing short sleeves? It could be that old Doctor Who standby, freak localized weather conditions, but it just seemed odd to me. They messed up the shadows during the night scene. Bill's shadow was facing in front of her when the camera was behind her and behind her when it was from Heather's perspective. I assume that had to be because of lighting issues for a night shoot, but it was enough of a gaffe to be immersion breaking. I liked that the Doctor asked Bill, "What's wrong?" when he observes that she's upset. That's not a question he would have thought to ask in his first series. I love seeing the Movellans, but that whole Dalek scene. Ugh. It didn't add anything (except Daleks, which was probably the point). I think the Daleks are overused (Don't exterminate me, Mister Briggs!) and this did nothing to alleviate that impression. Bill is gay, which is fine. However, I'm extremely leery of Moffat writing a gay character because he seems to view women through the lens of their sexual attraction and I don't think his characterization of the female characters during his run has been very nuanced. Is a Mind Wipe really the Doctor's go-to solution these days? Donna's scene back in the RTD was troubling, to say nothing of Hell Bent. I like Doctor Who the most when the Doctor is empowering people, and taking away their memories is anathema to that. He's taking away their agency and that's something the character should not do. Yeah, he didn't go through with it, but he would have, and I think it's wrong that the Doctor would be inclined to the quick and easy solution. Bottom line, the episode had some issues, but nothing deal breaking. Pearl as Bill was outstanding. Capaldi seems to have finally found his groove. Nardole was present! I have some concerns, but I'm more interested in the television show than I have been in years. I agree with you about Bill, and The Doctor's character development. It really does bring to mind what Colin Baker wanted to do with the character but didn't get the chance to. And this relationship really shines a spotlight on how dysfunctional his relationship was with Clara. I wish we had gotten Bill earlier than we did. Agreed about the Dalek scene, but the Movellans were a nice touch and it wasn't that upsetting to me. I was glad that when Nardole states, "Not that war!", that it didn't turn into a big Time War thing. The mind wipe, yeah it seems to be the thing that a lot of people are complaining about. But his reasons...I guess it depends upon to whom he made the promise to not travel and why. All in all, I agree with you. A good start and my interest is certainly peaked.
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 16, 2017 15:00:42 GMT
This reminded me a lot of the Eleventh Hour and if it had been Peter's first episode I'd have taken to his Doctor much earlier - now I don't want him to go.
Bill - how wrong can you be after watching a short trailer introducing a new companion? This was only my second view of Bill (I didn't watch any of the build-up trailers) and she has nailed it straight away. I know it's early days but she's everything Clara or Rose weren't. A great start to a new companion, brilliantly played by Pearl Mackie (hard to believe she hasn't done much acting in front of a camera).
I may even have to eat my words regarding Nardole too. As others have said, understated by Matt Lucas with just the right level of humour.
Overall a good start to series 10, I just hope they can keep it up. If they do I'll be very sad to see the end of this Tardis Team (something I never thought I'd say).
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Post by sherlock on Apr 16, 2017 15:01:57 GMT
Is a Mind Wipe really the Doctor's go-to solution these days? Donna's scene back in the RTD was troubling, to say nothing of Hell Bent. I like Doctor Who the most when the Doctor is empowering people, and taking away their memories is anathema to that. He's taking away their agency and that's something the character should not do. Yeah, he didn't go through with it, but he would have, and I think it's wrong that the Doctor would be inclined to the quick and easy solution. Bottom line, the episode had some issues, but nothing deal breaking. Pearl as Bill was outstanding. Capaldi seems to have finally found his groove. Nardole was present! I have some concerns, but I'm more interested in the television show than I have been in years. I took the mind-wipe as more indicative of the importance of whatever's in the Vault. It's clear the Doctor doesn't want to do it, and in the end he backs out, but feels he has to in order to protect whatever's in the Vault (Guessing that's our mystery for the series) Nardole's lack of prominence was probably due a late decision to include him.
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