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Post by chopper on Apr 16, 2017 15:13:24 GMT
Apart from One Direction, name one X-Factor or singing show group or person that's still got an active career. JLS Olly Murs Little Mix Leona Lewis Shane Ward Alexandra Burke That's just off the top of my head and I don't watch it or listen to much music these days. People like different things. More people like stagey talent shows than Doctor Who. Oh I almost forgot Susan Boyle too
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 15:37:22 GMT
Is a Mind Wipe really the Doctor's go-to solution these days? Donna's scene back in the RTD was troubling, to say nothing of Hell Bent. I like Doctor Who the most when the Doctor is empowering people, and taking away their memories is anathema to that. He's taking away their agency and that's something the character should not do. Yeah, he didn't go through with it, but he would have, and I think it's wrong that the Doctor would be inclined to the quick and easy solution. Bottom line, the episode had some issues, but nothing deal breaking. Pearl as Bill was outstanding. Capaldi seems to have finally found his groove. Nardole was present! I have some concerns, but I'm more interested in the television show than I have been in years. I took the mind-wipe as more indicative of the importance of whatever's in the Vault. It's clear the Doctor doesn't want to do it, and in the end he backs out, but feels he has to in order to protect whatever's in the Vault (Guessing that's our mystery for the series) Nardole's lack of prominence was probably due a late decision to include him. Moffat's said in press junkets that Nardole takes a back seat early on as the audience need to get to know Bill better at the start of the series. That's how I took the mind-wipe thing too - I don't think it's his default thing at all as Josh read it, but the only option The Doctor thought about to maintain the quiet life he needs to look after the vault and keep this mysterious promise. I wouldn't judge The Doctors actions before we know what that is all about.
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Post by theotherjosh on Apr 16, 2017 16:14:16 GMT
That's how I took the mind-wipe thing too - I don't think it's his default thing at all as Josh read it, but the only option The Doctor thought about to maintain the quiet life he needs to look after the vault and keep this mysterious promise. I wouldn't judge The Doctors actions before we know what that is all about. I'll be watching it again tonight and I'll keep this in mind, but I came away with a very different impression. It's possible that there is a disconnect between what Moffat intended and how I interpreted it. The Vault is obviously this season's mystery, but I felt no sense of urgency regarding it. The Doctor and Nardole crack a bunch of jokes and then go on a trip to Australia. If the Vault is so important that the Doctor is willing to jump right to doing something abhorrent to protect its secrets, without considering any intermediate steps then I think they failed to convey the magnitude of those secrets. As you say, time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 17:08:52 GMT
This reminded me a lot of the Eleventh Hour and if it had been Peter's first episode I'd have taken to his Doctor much earlier - now I don't want him to go. Bill - how wrong can you be after watching a short trailer introducing a new companion? This was only my second view of Bill (I didn't watch any of the build-up trailers) and she has nailed it straight away. I know it's early days but she's everything Clara or Rose weren't. A great start to a new companion, brilliantly played by Pearl Mackie (hard to believe she hasn't done much acting in front of a camera). I may even have to eat my words regarding Nardole too. As others have said, understated by Matt Lucas with just the right level of humour. Overall a good start to series 10, I just hope they can keep it up. If they do I'll be very sad to see the end of this Tardis Team (something I never thought I'd say). Cheers Tony I think they learned a lot of lessons from last years minisode. The insert yesterday was different in every important way. Bill was much much better, the Daleks weren't mocked. So glad they reshot it.
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 16, 2017 17:22:31 GMT
I don't know if the story will withstand too much dissection (as usual, probably) but I thought it was a really good effort, and it's probably understandable if the focus was much more on a strong introduction for Bill than an entirely sensible menace. Maybe some of it will make more sense later in the season (and maybe there's even a little Seven showing that there might be a little more to some of The Doctor's actions than meets the eye). I suppose "Time will tell" does befit a Time Lord. :-)
An awful lot of care was obviously put into little touches with this episode and that is greatly appreciated. Capaldi seems capable of making even the worst story worth watching in the end, and just keeps getting better at it in my opinion.
I've turned out to be very glad for having Nardole around if he's not going to be there just there to bump his head on the TARDIS door. The hint-dropping about other adventures they've had is intriguing and I even think it helps put some distance between now and Clara. As likable as Bill has turned out to be already, I think I'll be even happier if I get to say "TARDIS team" in the present tense again.
I did very much enjoy the episode and it has me hopeful about the season ahead, and those are probably the most important things.
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Post by aztec on Apr 16, 2017 17:32:22 GMT
I thought it was a nice touch that Capaldi's Doctor nipped back in time and took those photographs of Bill's mum he's clearly a very different and (slightly) more considerate man than how he started in 'Deep Breath', say what you want about the quality of the stories but I think they've mellowed/developed the 12th Doctor very well over the last few years (even if it seems like much of the development has happened in off-screen gaps, it almost feels like each Series has been its own little era) perhaps fulfilling the desire Colin Baker had to mellow out his Doctor in a similar way.
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Post by aztec on Apr 16, 2017 17:36:00 GMT
That's how I took the mind-wipe thing too - I don't think it's his default thing at all as Josh read it, but the only option The Doctor thought about to maintain the quiet life he needs to look after the vault and keep this mysterious promise. I wouldn't judge The Doctors actions before we know what that is all about. I'll be watching it again tonight and I'll keep this in mind, but I came away with a very different impression. It's possible that there is a disconnect between what Moffat intended and how I interpreted it. The Vault is obviously this season's mystery, but I felt no sense of urgency regarding it. The Doctor and Nardole crack a bunch of jokes and then go on a trip to Australia. If the Vault is so important that the Doctor is willing to jump right to doing something abhorrent to protect its secrets, without considering any intermediate steps then I think they failed to convey the magnitude of those secrets. As you say, time will tell. Then again the Doctor and Nardole (not exactly the people you'd assign to blend in undercover) have been there for decades guarding the Vault without being discovered, so perhaps the vault is a more of a mystery to be hidden rather than a danger to be defended, perhaps they've become complacent in their routine and just fancied stretching their legs...
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Post by aztec on Apr 16, 2017 17:39:59 GMT
Maybe the vault is a red herring, perhaps it is where he keeps his spare sonic shades and guitar, he got tired of all the jibes over his dress sense and retired to a quiet academic life where he had a cover story to act out his guilty pleasures without being caught.
Very weird thing to bring up, but someone on Gallifreybase pointed out this might be the very first time it's been confirmed the Tardis has a toliet which raises the point...it would be kinda anticlimatic if some of the Doctor's adventures were motivated soley by a desire to find a clean loo...
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Post by jasonward on Apr 16, 2017 17:48:15 GMT
Very weird thing to bring up, but someone on Gallifreybase pointed out this might be the very first time it's been confirmed the Tardis has a toliet which raises the point...it would be kinda anticlimatic if some of the Doctor's adventures were motivated soley by a desire to find a clean loo... Also very bizarre, the Tardis has living quarters, kitchen, swimming pool, library etc etc how/why would you build/install all that and no toilet?
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 16, 2017 19:08:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 20:15:10 GMT
Apart from One Direction, name one X-Factor or singing show group or person that's still got an active career. JLS Olly Murs Little Mix Leona Lewis Shane Ward Alexandra Burke That's just off the top of my head and I don't watch it or listen to much music these days. People like different things. More people like stagey talent shows than Doctor Who. Oh I almost forgot Susan Boyle too JLS are disactive now.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 16, 2017 20:41:06 GMT
Maybe the vault is a red herring, perhaps it is where he keeps his spare sonic shades and guitar, he got tired of all the jibes over his dress sense and retired to a quiet academic life where he had a cover story to act out his guilty pleasures without being caught. Very weird thing to bring up, but someone on Gallifreybase pointed out this might be the very first time it's been confirmed the Tardis has a toliet which raises the point...it would be kinda anticlimatic if some of the Doctor's adventures were motivated soley by a desire to find a clean loo... Not only did we get the loo, we finally got a retcon for Susan coming up with the TARDIS acronym. That's all the obscure TARDIS questions sorted now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 22:34:08 GMT
JLS Olly Murs Little Mix Leona Lewis Shane Ward Alexandra Burke That's just off the top of my head and I don't watch it or listen to much music these days. People like different things. More people like stagey talent shows than Doctor Who. Oh I almost forgot Susan Boyle too JLS are disactive now. All the lovely music makers listed above demonstrate to me exactly why popular music has long since run into a cul-de-sac of no return. All the bands featured above, and singers too, are manufactured, production-line identi-kit machines guaranteed to churn out the same meaningless, occasionally superficially pleasant-sounding background music and make their managers as much money as is possible. As soon as that difficult second album, or latest single, fails to perform, out go the performers on their perfects little backsides, never to be head of again, bar a possible guest stint in Hollyoaks. And as the post above says, people love it. It causes conversations in pubs, toilets and bus queues. It fulfils its purpose by being there. It isn't real music. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't move you. Luckily, we now have the internet to locate music that actually causes you to cry, to laugh, to dream etc. There is nothing difficult about watching a talent show. You can have a conversation and make a cuppa while it's on and miss nothing. That's why millions lap it up. By the next morning they'll have mostly forgotten all about the experience. But who cares? Doctor Who is niche drama that has, because of its unique quality, passed over into mainstream. For a while, with Mr Tennant, it was phenomenally popular - very rare for a sci-fi show. Now it is merely 'quite' popular. And there's nothing wrong with that. But unless Mr Chibnell hires Ant and Dec to crack a few scripted jokes, or Simon Cowell to grin on cue, and members of the public to vote on an episode's outcome, Doctor Who will never match a show (in terms of ratings) like BGT/X Factor etc. And neither should it! 'The Pilot' has kicked off the tenth series, an episode that will be watched and re-watched, by generations to come. It will be dissected - sometimes to an irritating degree - to within an inch of its life, long after BGT has been forgotten all about, and the next talent show 'phenomena' is upon us. Doctor Who is still doing well. I like Doctor Who. I don't like BGT. Can you tell? (Sorry if I've annoyed anyone that does)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 3:57:39 GMT
I really enjoyed this. A lot worked so well and combined to equal one of my favourite openers for a season of Doctor Who. - Bill was really well played by Pearl Mackie and was written really well by Moffat - The Doctor is back and has began to grow from the events of the christmas specials and the end of season 9 - Nardole has really grown on me, He has made me laugh and the role has actually been really well played by Matt Lucas - The plot, while a bit run of the mill, is injected with life because of how well the characters react to it. I think that if you take a regular plot and put characters that are believable and react well to the situations, it can enhance the plot - The soundtrack was really good, The ending music was especially good. Murray Gold is definitely still able to work his magic on Doctor Who
One thing to everyone as a favour, I think I almost got spoiled about something about Missy/Master(If it was don't say what it is). If it is, remember that people are trying to be spoiler free from every episode(Only things I know are the Tardis team, episode titles and writers) so please use spoiler tags, warn people or just don't mention them. Thanks to everyone that does so on the future.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 4:08:02 GMT
So, I'm watching it right now and I'm really liking the new girl. The dynamic between her and the Doctor is great.
The title sequence hasn't grown on me since it first debuted, but oh, well... It's only two minutes of the programme.
Scorch marks. Oh, I've seen Remembrance, I know where this is going...
Baseball ba-- Oh, umbrella. Umbrella works.
And the questions you would normally ask is -- "Are you responsible for what's outside? Did you kill my friend?" I think that's only been asked by a handful of people in the history of the show, Earthshock being the most prevalent with "Too many people have died today for you to play the fool!" Tells us a lot about Bill though, even Jo took some convincing.
Banter, culture shock, an understanding Doctor. I'm going to like this team. I really am. Ah, a typical day in Sydney Harbour.
The mind wipe... Yeah, I'd say the Doctor would know how much amnesia would suck even without Clara, he only did it to Donna so she wouldn't die and his eighth self was constantly frustrated by what he could and couldn't remember.
Well, as first impressions go... I do believe we have a winner. The plot was virtually nonexistent (emulating a TV Comic runaround), but the character work was excellent. I wish we'd seen more interactions between Bill and Heather. The Twelfth Doctor's characterisation finally feels right and I really like Nardole as the Turlough of their group.
There's a lot of setup involved, so we'll see how well it ages, but all in all... It follows in the footsteps of The Return of Dr Mysterio, it works.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 11:35:51 GMT
I liked it!
The Pilot won't go down as a classic Doctor Who episode, but it was a fun romp. What more could you want from Saturday night TV?
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Post by fingersmash on Apr 17, 2017 14:31:02 GMT
I loved it. Not a complete classic but that lecture scene? Oh my God, that has to be one of my favorite scenes in Who history. And Bill has to be one of the most human companions we've ever had. Kudos to Pearl Mackie.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 1:35:33 GMT
I loved it. Not a complete classic but that lecture scene? Oh my God, that has to be one of my favorite scenes in Who history. And Bill has to be one of the most human companions we've ever had. Kudos to Pearl Mackie. You know what I love most of all about that scene? I don't think it could belong to any other Doctor, I think it's a little moment that Twelve can have all to himself without the shadows of his predecessors looming over him. It feels right.
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Post by fingersmash on Apr 18, 2017 2:52:03 GMT
I loved it. Not a complete classic but that lecture scene? Oh my God, that has to be one of my favorite scenes in Who history. And Bill has to be one of the most human companions we've ever had. Kudos to Pearl Mackie. You know what I love most of all about that scene? I don't think it could belong to any other Doctor, I think it's a little moment that Twelve can have all to himself without the shadows of his predecessors looming over him. It feels right. All this. So much this.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 18, 2017 13:38:03 GMT
Meh....
Allright, I suppose. Perhaps.
I have to note that that use of Daleks is contradictory and silly. They have gone from powerful enough to destroy the Timelords, requiring use of Moment rewritten to hiding Gallifrey to avert destruction, to dopey enough that the Doctor can use them solely to find out what happens when they shoot at him, miss, and hit a puddle that's been chasing him?
I could also have done without a seasonal "mystery" (the vault, a promise to look after it instead of traveling).
I suppose it also kind of bugged me how this special alien ship oil followed them in space and time. What, did it convert itself into a fully functional TARDIS so it could follow the Doctor's TARDIS? If so, why was it looking for anyone - it can do what it pleases as it is. I hope this kind of thing changes w/ Chinball. The show needs to start at least pretending to try to make sense.
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