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Post by IndieMacUser on Apr 29, 2017 20:25:58 GMT
The villain of this piece was a human, rather than the monster that happens to involved with the story too. I for one like those type of stories...
Also the 'knocking' at the end seems like an obvious tease for next weeks episode.
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 29, 2017 20:48:36 GMT
Another enjoyable story. Liking this Tardis Team more every week and can't believe we're losing it so soon. If only this was Series 9...
Excellent.
Cheers
Tony
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 29, 2017 20:50:25 GMT
Consistency is up considerably over the last two years, and Dollard has shown how much of a great find she was. Compelling mystery with some good world building in the opening, and some nice maturing for Bill as she faces history. Best historical-themed adventure since Mummy, and even shared a lot of the same strengths.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 21:21:09 GMT
I told you his name was 100% Doctor Disco and that would come back! Another stong ep in a series that has started very,very well. Have to single out my favourite part of the whole thing, the discussion of racism. The chat about race at the start was a good omen and I hope the "Black Jesus" bit annoys the right people. when Capaldi's temper broke as the villain was racist to Bill, I cheered when The Doctor punched him square in the jaw. Glorious, wonderful stuff. This was Doctor Who taking a side, saying all opinions aren't equally as valid when it comes to human decency and intolerance - racism wasn't acceptable 200 years ago and certainly isn't now. Thank you Sarah Dollard. What a gorgeous opening 10 minutes with The Doctor really enjoying himself showing Bill the Frost Fair. It's lovely to see this Doc so carefree but I appreciated that Sarah wrote the scene where he's still a bit cold, a bit callous about the young boy dying. This Doctor has evolved from Series 8 but that's a bit of his Into The Dalek pragmatism still showing and then to subvert that later when we, and Bill, see that The Doctor remembers the boy and weeps for the progress of humanity...oh, it's good. There's a terrific dynamic between Peter and Pearl. Capaldi was just rocking that 19th century outfit too. The "No shit" line cutting off before the last syllable was funny, don't think we've seen the show flirt that close to swearing before on telly anyway. Wonderful, optimistic, idealistic storytelling both classical and absolutely modern at the same time. And hey - am I missing something or was this the pure historical people tell me we can't have in televised Doctor Who?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 29, 2017 21:36:41 GMT
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 29, 2017 22:18:10 GMT
I can't really put a finger on what I don't like about her, something about her character isn't clicking with me. She doesn't know her history, for one thing.... slavery in Great Britain had been abolished for some years - longer, in fact, than serfdom in Scotland. Seriously, though, I think that while it's necessary to have the companions have to deal with the deaths all around them (in order to avoid a Tegan-thinks-its-no-longer-fun scenario) it is a bit of a drag to watch and holds up the story: it was irritating to see Bill sulk like that, but entirely understandable. Wilberforce's Act abolished the slave trade in 1807, but not actual slavery itself, that came in 1833.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 29, 2017 22:25:21 GMT
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 29, 2017 22:26:28 GMT
As for Thin Ice, an 8/10/4/5 episode for me. A very brave episode by Sarah Dollard with some controversial decisions. Very enjoyable, probably my favourite so far.
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Post by omega on Apr 29, 2017 22:31:18 GMT
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 29, 2017 23:01:35 GMT
Another solid, well written, beautifully acted and well mounted episode. This is what a confident show looks like folks. Yes the series is on a low simmer the episodes in but I feel like with this episode things are started to heat up a bit. Capaldi is a joy to behold and Pearl Mackie is making her career right now. I will probably say this every week moving forward but I am going to miss this TARDIS team when they depart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 23:06:05 GMT
Loved that from Nardole's POV, this is 5 minutes after the start of Smile. Not sure if the knocks are related to next week's episode - despite it's title - at all, but surely the larger season arc. Either way - David Suchet in Doctor Who is gonna be cool.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 29, 2017 23:10:06 GMT
Loved that from Nardole's POV, this is 5 minutes after the start of Smile. Not sure if the knocks are related to next week's episode - despite it's title - at all, but surely the larger season arc. Either way - David Suchet in Doctor Who is gonna be cool. Yeah there two mysteries at play here. Nardole & the Vault. Tease the Vault out but give me more Nardole now please.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 23:14:26 GMT
Loved that from Nardole's POV, this is 5 minutes after the start of Smile. Not sure if the knocks are related to next week's episode - despite it's title - at all, but surely the larger season arc. Either way - David Suchet in Doctor Who is gonna be cool. Yeah there two mysteries at play here. Nardole & the Vault. Tease the Vault out but give me more Nardole now please. I think the first half of the series is Nardole light - Moff compared it in the press junkets to Series 5 where we get to know Amy before we also have Rory on board full time. Giving Bill all the focus makes sense storytelling wise as Nardole is great but she's the identification figure here. The back half of the season should have plenty of Matt, and some interesting developments for him given a few trailer shots yet to be seen. So it's coming, don't worry!
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Post by SG. on Apr 29, 2017 23:21:35 GMT
Loved that from Nardole's POV, this is 5 minutes after the start of Smile. Not sure if the knocks are related to next week's episode - despite it's title - at all, but surely the larger season arc. Either way - David Suchet in Doctor Who is gonna be cool. Yeah there two mysteries at play here. Nardole & the Vault. Tease the Vault out but give me more Nardole now please. If the synopses are anything to go by, Nardole gets a bigger role from Oxygen onwards.
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Post by omega on Apr 29, 2017 23:32:52 GMT
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 29, 2017 23:33:40 GMT
Yeah there two mysteries at play here. Nardole & the Vault. Tease the Vault out but give me more Nardole now please. I think the first half of the series is Nardole light - Moff compared it in the press junkets to Series 5 where we get to know Amy before we also have Rory on board full time. Giving Bill all the focus makes sense storytelling wise as Nardole is great but she's the identification figure here. The back half of the season should have plenty of Matt, and some interesting developments for him given a few trailer shots yet to be seen. So it's coming, don't worry! Moffat compares it to that, but the difference is we didn't meet Rory before we met Amy - and Rory was given enough to do in his debut episode The Eleventh Hour to form an impression, whereas Nardole was simply a stock character in The Husbands of River Song. I think if Moffat wanted it to be a Rory situation he should have kept back Nardole for The Pilot or a later episode.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 23:37:24 GMT
I think the first half of the series is Nardole light - Moff compared it in the press junkets to Series 5 where we get to know Amy before we also have Rory on board full time. Giving Bill all the focus makes sense storytelling wise as Nardole is great but she's the identification figure here. The back half of the season should have plenty of Matt, and some interesting developments for him given a few trailer shots yet to be seen. So it's coming, don't worry! Moffat compares it to that, but the difference is we didn't meet Rory before we met Amy - and Rory was given enough to do in his debut episode The Eleventh Hour to form an impression, whereas Nardole was simply a stock character in The Husbands of River Song. I think if Moffat wanted it to be a Rory situation he should have kept back Nardole for The Pilot or a later episode. Yes, but if you'd been following the announcements as they happen, Matt was never "supposed" to be a regular so holding him back wasn't an option - there was no intention of having anything to hold him back for as Moffat didn't think they'd ever get him to sign on for a whole series.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 30, 2017 0:04:22 GMT
Moffat compares it to that, but the difference is we didn't meet Rory before we met Amy - and Rory was given enough to do in his debut episode The Eleventh Hour to form an impression, whereas Nardole was simply a stock character in The Husbands of River Song. I think if Moffat wanted it to be a Rory situation he should have kept back Nardole for The Pilot or a later episode. Yes, but if you'd been following the announcements as they happen, Matt was never "supposed" to be a regular so holding him back wasn't an option - there was no intention of having anything to hold him back for as Moffat didn't think they'd ever get him to sign on for a whole series. Stop letting reality creep into a discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 1:40:02 GMT
BTW, just as an odd bit of trivia of no use to anyone but me, probably: Lord Sutcliffe was played by Nicholas Burns who starred as Martin in Benidorm. Who played Martin's other half in that? Sheridan Smith. Last week we had Ralf Little as the colonist. Who played his wife in Two Pints Of Lager? Sheridan Smith. And last series we had Sleep No More with Reece Shearsmith. Who played his wife in The Widower? Sheridan Smith. Basically...play Sheridan Smith's partner to get a job in Doctor Who. Also, for any Charlie Brooker/Chris Morris fans - how cool to see Doctor Who punching Nathan Barley in the face!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 30, 2017 1:43:35 GMT
Oh man, the idea of either Charlie Booker or Chris Morris writing an episode of Who just blew the doors off of my fragile mind.
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