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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 30, 2017 1:47:47 GMT
Great episode. Best of the series so far, although, like Smile, it had a rushed conclusion and I felt like the villain was given a few shorthand cues to make us hate him from the get go. Great speech from 12 about "progress" and good to see the show acknowledging that history isn't always kind to 'the other' - the "Black Jesus" comment is already raising a storm on social media and some people are asking when Doctor Who became politically correct. Loved it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 1:55:17 GMT
Brooker's a fan so it's not unimaginable. He was always kind about Who when hosting Screenwipe. Quite a few of his Black Mirror ideas could easily be Who stories with a bit of tinkering. Not sure what Chris' thoughts on the show would be but I'd love him as a guest star even. Matt Berry too!
Nathan Barley was waaaaay ahead of its time in it's criticism of internet culture and 21st century media. Really cool to see Nicholas - who was Nathan of course - in Who tonight albeit as a right bad guy. Imagine a show with Morris and Brooker as showrunners - with the likes of Richard Ayoade, Ben Whishaw and Benedict Cumberbatch in it - flopping. I loved Nathan Barley when it was on and I can't believe it's 12 years old.
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Post by kimalysong on Apr 30, 2017 2:16:41 GMT
You know it's a great. Doctor Who episode when a racist fan bitches about the episode attacking white people on twitter. The episode was so insufferable to him that he's leaving the fandom Anyways I really enjoyed the episode but more coherent thoughts tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 3:37:30 GMT
Another play-by-play as I watch:
I like Bill's leap in logic that it's a parallel world, it's such a normal and logical thing to assume. History has the potential to be far stranger than people often give it credit for. The Year Without Summer, for instance. The nice implication that people overlook race because of class (i.e. the best defence being a good dress) was very cute too. God, this is so much fun. Their discussion about the consequences of time travel, exploring the fair, swindling the swindler... I always enjoy stories that take a little bit of time out to just bask in their world and get us attached to it. "Save him." "I can't." Oh. That is a great deal darker than anything of those previous three years. It's so simple, brutal and real. "I have never had time for the luxury of outrage." Wonderfully straightforward and honest. It's Pyramids of Mars, but without the venom. Just a sagely understanding that some things cannot be done. Yes, the Doctor is a killer. And here we are at class again. The human industrialist bloated on privilege. An ordinary evil far more terrifying than anything from space. It is a beautiful speech, I think it's one that Twelve will be remembered for. You know, I'm getting rather fond of these two -- the Doctor and Bill. They might be my new favourite duo for NuWho. I don't think the Twelfth Doctor has ever been this well-characterised. It's nice to see him be so understanding towards Bill and at peace with himself. Ooh, there's this nice Sapphire & Steel vibe to the next episode. You can't miss David Suchet, whatever he plays it will be a joy. Alright, I'll admit it. That was a load of fun and I'm really looking forward to the rest of the year.
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Post by elkawho on Apr 30, 2017 3:54:09 GMT
I loved this episode. I can't remember The Doctor ever this happy with Clara, can you? I thought the beginning was wonderful as they explored the fair. This episode had ideas from a number of other episodes;, The Empty Child, The Beast Below, even a little from Torchwood's Meat, but I think it put it all together so well. This season is so good so far, and I know that it will be over way before I'm ready to see this team disappear. As for the vault, could it's occupants be {Spoiler} the Mondassian Cybermen?
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 30, 2017 7:20:21 GMT
Wilberforce's Act abolished the slave trade in 1807, but not actual slavery itself, that came in 1833. Interestingly enough, that's a popular misconception. It took about seventy years for slavery in British territories to be ended; Wilberforce's act being only the mid-point. Somerset v Stewart 1772 - declares slavery has no existence in the common law of England and Wales Colliers and Salters (Scotland) Act 1775 - made provisions for Scots restricted by the outstanding form of serfdom in relating to the mining industry to seek their freedom Knight v Wedderburn 1788 - declares slavery has no existence in Scottish common law Colliers (Scotland) Act 1799 - liberated the remaining Scottish miners from serfdom Abolition of the Slave Trade Act 1807 - abolished the Slave Trade in the British Empire and encouraged British lobbying of other states to follow suit Slavery Abolition Act 1833 - abolishes slavery throughout the British Empire (except for the East India Company, Ceylon, and Saint Helena) Indian Slavery Act, 1843 - (theoretically) abolishes slavery in British India (and I believe this was also the cut-off point of St Helena) (While today we'd probably still draw a difference between serfdom in slavery, I remember reading an article from - I think it was the Scotsman - from the late 19th century which described the condition of the mine serfs - some of whom were still alive at the time of publication - as slavery full stop).
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 30, 2017 7:59:04 GMT
Excellent episode, finally great to see a episode take risks.
The death of a child was shocking seeing his arm dissolve into the ice is one of the scariest images the shows produced & while it was upsetting to see it shows the grim reality that anyone can die young or old in Doctor Who.
The Doctor punching a racist was brilliant & the episode summed up mankinds ignorance to those who are different whether it's race, gender, religion it doesn't matter, that punch to me was a punch to all those ignorant people I've encountered who have belittled my mental health.
I wish Mary Whitehouse could've seen this episode, she'd be onto Ofcom before the credits rolled.
My only criticism was the ending felt a tad rushed but overall another enjoyable episode.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 30, 2017 9:14:59 GMT
Moffat compares it to that, but the difference is we didn't meet Rory before we met Amy - and Rory was given enough to do in his debut episode The Eleventh Hour to form an impression, whereas Nardole was simply a stock character in The Husbands of River Song. I think if Moffat wanted it to be a Rory situation he should have kept back Nardole for The Pilot or a later episode. Yes, but if you'd been following the announcements as they happen, Matt was never "supposed" to be a regular so holding him back wasn't an option - there was no intention of having anything to hold him back for as Moffat didn't think they'd ever get him to sign on for a whole series. That makes him even more of a pointless character to bring back. Why bother? Pearl Mackie's good enough. Matt Lucas isn't needed.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 30, 2017 9:21:31 GMT
You know, I'm getting rather fond of these two -- the Doctor and Bill. They might be my new favourite duo for NuWho. They're a lot better than I thought they'd be but there are other pairings I prefer. My favourite is still 12 and Clara.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 30, 2017 9:39:48 GMT
You know it's a great. Doctor Who episode when a racist fan bitches about the episode attacking white people on twitter. The episode was so insufferable to him that he's leaving the fandom Don't think the fandom will miss him much. Seen some delightful comments out there ranging from the episode being 'leftist propaganda' to 'preaching', because apparently acknowledging racism was a thing is preaching?? Thankfully these seem quite rare, even the Facebook comment sections seemed largely positive (can't speak for Twitter, I haven't got it).
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 30, 2017 9:42:10 GMT
Wow
I liked this ep. But really didn't see half the stuff be chatted about here.
I was expecting to see a whole.
How did the serpent get past the bridge st the end
Or how shoddy the cracked ice effect looked.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 30, 2017 9:43:00 GMT
You know it's a great. Doctor Who episode when a racist fan bitches about the episode attacking white people on twitter. The episode was so insufferable to him that he's leaving the fandom Don't think the fandom will miss him much. Seen some delightful comments out there ranging from the episode being 'leftist propaganda' to 'preaching', because apparently acknowledging racism was a thing is preaching?? Thankfully these seem quite rare, even the Facebook comment sections seemed largely positive (can't speak for Twitter, I haven't got it). I missed all of this? Can I have some back story and context? Thanks
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Post by sherlock on Apr 30, 2017 9:48:28 GMT
Don't think the fandom will miss him much. Seen some delightful comments out there ranging from the episode being 'leftist propaganda' to 'preaching', because apparently acknowledging racism was a thing is preaching?? Thankfully these seem quite rare, even the Facebook comment sections seemed largely positive (can't speak for Twitter, I haven't got it). I missed all of this? Can I have some back story and context? Thanks The comments I'm referring to are just ones I've spotted on Facebook and YouTube and on reviews (I really should stop looking in those comment sections). I'm not on Twitter so don't know the specifics of that incident.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 10:04:26 GMT
Don't think the fandom will miss him much. Seen some delightful comments out there ranging from the episode being 'leftist propaganda' to 'preaching', because apparently acknowledging racism was a thing is preaching?? Thankfully these seem quite rare, even the Facebook comment sections seemed largely positive (can't speak for Twitter, I haven't got it). I missed all of this? Can I have some back story and context? Thanks Not really much to tell. State of the world is leaning more towards conservative, not necessarily a bad thing, but has seemingly emboldened bigots, etc, etc. It's people complaining that their views are being challenged. As a good critic once said, vanilla is a flavour too. It's a strange old world where an acknowledgement of racism in a show has them HOLLERING FROM THE ROOFTOPS THAT IT'S BEING SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS. MY GOD, MAN. THINK OF THE CHILDREN WHO WILL LEARN TO ACCEPT OTHERS IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR SKIN COLOUR. It's all terribly silly really, I wouldn't pay any attention to them. It's a bit like arguing with a Flat Earther, blind intolerance without rational motive destroys itself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 10:05:26 GMT
Doctor Who reached 3.76 million viewers in the UK last night, a drop of about half a million from last week. It was the fourth most watched show on BBC1, and fifth overall. I'm disappointed with that, especially as it was s such a terrific episode. Ah, the General Public.
However, it is still up on Series 9, as all ratings have been for this series so far, and that was broadcast later in the evening, and at a colder time of year when there were more potential viewers.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 30, 2017 10:08:33 GMT
Doctor Who reached 3.76 million viewrers in the UK last night, a drop of about half a million from last week. It was the fourth most watched show on BBC1, and fifth overall. I'm disappointed with that, especially as it was s such a terrific episode. Ah, the General Public. However, it is still up on Series 9, as all ratings have been for this series so far, and that was broadcast later in the evening, and at a colder time of year when there were more potential viewers. I find that rating very hard to believe. I wonder if somewhere along the line the data has been messed up? Human error? It also seems Take Me Out somehow only got 2.96 million and every other show apart from All Round To Mrs Brown's and BGT got somewhere in the 3 millions. That seems very unusual to me.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 30, 2017 10:10:28 GMT
Doctor Who reached 3.76 million viewrers in the UK last night, a drop of about half a million from last week. It was the fourth most watched show on BBC1, and fifth overall. I'm disappointed with that, especially as it was s such a terrific episode. Ah, the General Public. However, it is still up on Series 9, as all ratings have been for this series so far, and that was broadcast later in the evening, and at a colder time of year when there were more potential viewers. I find that rating very hard to believe. I wonder if somewhere along the line the data has been messed up? Human error? It also seems Take Me Out somehow only got 2.96 million and every other show apart from All Round To Mrs Brown's and BGT got somewhere in the 3 millions. That seems very unusual to me. Bank holiday weekend remember, with nice weather to boot.
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Post by omega on Apr 30, 2017 10:13:04 GMT
I missed all of this? Can I have some back story and context? Thanks Not really much to tell. State of the world is leaning more towards conservative, not necessarily a bad thing, but has seemingly emboldened bigots, etc, etc. It's people complaining that their views are being challenged. As a good critic once said, vanilla is a flavour too. It's a strange old world where an acknowledgement of racism in a show has them HOLLERING FROM THE ROOFTOPS THAT IT'S BEING SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS. MY GOD, MAN. THINK OF THE CHILDREN WHO WILL LEARN TO ACCEPT OTHERS IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR SKIN COLOUR. It's all terribly silly really, I wouldn't pay any attention to them. It's a bit like arguing with a Flat Earther, blind intolerance without rational motive destroys itself. When Supergirl did a character arc last year about a woman coming out of the closet and her pursuing a relationship with another woman, there were comments on Facebook from mothers about how they wouldn't let their daughter watch the show anymore, and how it was propaganda. The show did take subtle potshots about things like Alternative Facts and has been renewed for a third season, so it can't have hurt the show too badly. The arc and the characters were well written, and it'll be a great day when same sex relationships are thought of in the same way hetero relationships are. The Pilot was a great example of this, where it wasn't overstated or sensationalist, just two people who could have been.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 10:27:55 GMT
Not really much to tell. State of the world is leaning more towards conservative, not necessarily a bad thing, but has seemingly emboldened bigots, etc, etc. It's people complaining that their views are being challenged. As a good critic once said, vanilla is a flavour too. It's a strange old world where an acknowledgement of racism in a show has them HOLLERING FROM THE ROOFTOPS THAT IT'S BEING SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS. MY GOD, MAN. THINK OF THE CHILDREN WHO WILL LEARN TO ACCEPT OTHERS IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR SKIN COLOUR. It's all terribly silly really, I wouldn't pay any attention to them. It's a bit like arguing with a Flat Earther, blind intolerance without rational motive destroys itself. When Supergirl did a character arc last year about a woman coming out of the closet and her pursuing a relationship with another woman, there were comments on Facebook from mothers about how they wouldn't let their daughter watch the show anymore, and how it was propaganda. The show did take subtle potshots about things like Alternative Facts and has been renewed for a third season, so it can't have hurt the show too badly. The arc and the characters were well written, and it'll be a great day when same sex relationships are thought of in the same way hetero relationships are. The Pilot was a great example of this, where it wasn't overstated or sensationalist, just two people who could have been. It's just a matter of time. Like all things really. Pope Francis visited the Cairo president to try and foster peaceful relations amongst Christian and Muslim communities. Such a thing would once have been considered impossible, yet here we are His Holiness in Egypt. There will inevitably come a day where treating people like garbage because they are a man who loves another man or they were born from African heritage will seem as small and childish as belittling someone for the colour of their eyes. We'll eventually have much bigger facets of our collective identities to explore -- for good or ill. If we establish a permanent colony on Mars, after three or four generations who is going to care whether you're American or Chinese? The world will try to assert its Earthiness instead and the Martians likewise, there will be bigger things for people to focus their insecurities on than sexuality or race.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 30, 2017 10:43:01 GMT
I find that rating very hard to believe. I wonder if somewhere along the line the data has been messed up? Human error? It also seems Take Me Out somehow only got 2.96 million and every other show apart from All Round To Mrs Brown's and BGT got somewhere in the 3 millions. That seems very unusual to me. Bank holiday weekend remember, with nice weather to boot. Why would anyone go out for leisure when you could stay in and watch great TV like Doctor Who?
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