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Post by doomlord on Apr 23, 2017 20:27:06 GMT
See, this is what makes me think that you don't even click on informative links posted by helpful people but instead likes to wallow in your own stubbornness. Are you saying that David Bradley sounds a lot more like the First Doctor than John Guilor, Peter Purves or William Russell? Is this going from the same gauge levels as your Ian Puleston-Davies/Roger Delgado soundalike? I don't need to because I've already heard them voice the role. John Guilor is pretty much on par with David Bradley for me - spot on - but between the two I prefer David Bradley. William Russell and Peter Purves do a good job at conveying the incarnation's essence but sound more like themselves filling in for Hartnell than the Hartnell Doctor himself. So I was right then, just as I suspected, you didn't click then in the other thread and you didn't click here either, especially when they're directed towards you to generate or re-evaluate your own narrowed opinion, at least you could have the courtesy to see what others are informing you of to make an informed comparison. By not listening or acknowledging them, your own opinion diminishes, considerably.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 23, 2017 20:28:14 GMT
I don't need to because I've already heard them voice the role. John Guilor is pretty much on par with David Bradley for me - spot on - but between the two I prefer David Bradley. William Russell and Peter Purves do a good job at conveying the incarnation's essence but sound more like themselves filling in for Hartnell than the Hartnell Doctor himself. So I was right then, just as I suspected, you didn't click then in the other thread and you didn't click here either, especially when they're directed towards you to generate or re-evaluate your own narrowed opinion, at least you could have the courtesy to see what others are informing you of to make an informed comparison. By not listening or acknowledging them, you own stubborn opinion diminishes, considerably. I didn't need to listen to them. I've already heard their versions of the 1st Doctor.
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Post by doomlord on Apr 23, 2017 20:36:32 GMT
So I was right then, just as I suspected, you didn't click then in the other thread and you didn't click here either, especially when they're directed towards you to generate or re-evaluate your own narrowed opinion, at least you could have the courtesy to see what others are informing you of to make an informed comparison. By not listening or acknowledging them, you own stubborn opinion diminishes, considerably. I didn't need to listen to them. I've already heard their versions of the 1st Doctor. Then why would anyone listen to whatever you have to say here or anywhere else for that matter? For the love of Zeus, man, for the sake of the conversation because this is a forum and common courtesy and re-evaluation! Honestly dude, you're your own worst enemy at times.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 23, 2017 20:48:42 GMT
I didn't need to listen to them. I've already heard their versions of the 1st Doctor. Then why would anyone listen to whatever you have to say here or anywhere else for that matter? For the love of Zeus, man, for the sake of the conversation because this is a forum and common courtesy and re-evaluation! Honestly dude, you're your own worst enemy at times. My opinion's still valid because I'd previously heard those versions of The Doctor. I didn't need to listen to them again. David Bradley is in a completely different league IMO to Peter Purves and William Russell.
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Post by relativetime on Apr 23, 2017 20:57:19 GMT
I wouldn't mind if David Bradley shows up in the role on television, but I'd much prefer Peter Purves' approximation of the First Doctor over Bradley on audio. Bradley just does not sound like the First Doctor and I just can't help but feel like it would draw me out of the story on audio. If that's the route Big Finish decides to go, I'll give it a shot - definitely - but I'd prefer someone who sounds more like Hartnell if there's any recasting.
And, anyways, I'm very skeptical about the First Doctor even appearing in the Christmas special in the first place. It's always possible, I suppose, but I remember when we were all convinced of half a dozen things in the past that didn't turn out to be true at all. Remember when everyone thought Maisie Wliliams was definitely, 100% Susan? Until the BBC says it, I have a hard time believing it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 20:59:59 GMT
I didn't need to listen to them. I've already heard their versions of the 1st Doctor. Then why would anyone listen to whatever you have to say here or anywhere else for that matter? For the love of Zeus, man, for the sake of the conversation because this is a forum and common courtesy and re-evaluation! Honestly dude, you're your own worst enemy at times. I think DB's stance here is perfectly reasonable. He is expressing a view based on experience he already has of people havinf voiced the role. I wouldn't go off and follow other people's youtube links to revalidate somethin I've already heard either. Apart from anything else I'm sitting in the living room while my wife is watching TV. As you say, this is a forum that tries to stay polite and reasonable. So I don't get why you're the one being so agressive, or indeed why so many people seem incapable of letting DB express an opinion withoit attacking him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 21:27:11 GMT
I'm a bit wary about Bradley because he's very good at playing Bill Hartnell, but not so much the character of the First Doctor, not as far as I've seen. I am however intrigued by the possibility of him playing an entirely different, new incarnation of the Doctor. I think that could be rather exciting on its own. For An Exciting Adventure, John Guilor is a startling enough soundalike that he managed to impress William Russell and Carole Anne Ford while recording Planet of Giants. That sounds like a rather glowing recommendation to the role for me, particularly considering he got coaching from the duo while recording.
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Post by doomlord on Apr 23, 2017 21:29:42 GMT
Then why would anyone listen to whatever you have to say here or anywhere else for that matter? For the love of Zeus, man, for the sake of the conversation because this is a forum and common courtesy and re-evaluation! Honestly dude, you're your own worst enemy at times. I think DB's stance here is perfectly reasonable. He is expressing a view based on experience he already has of people havinf voiced the role. I wouldn't go off and follow other people's youtube links to revalidate somethin I've already heard either. Apart from anything else I'm sitting in the living room while my wife is watching TV. As you say, this is a forum that tries to stay polite and reasonable. So I don't get why you're the one being so agressive, or indeed why so many people seem incapable of letting DB express an opinion withoit attacking him. I admit that frustration comes through my post but I can adamantly say that I am not being emotionally aggressive towards him. Of course he's entitled to his opinion but for the sake of the flowing conversation (happening in the now) where others have also posted similar informative links on the same topic in both threads in order to take the conversation forward in a progressive manner.
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Post by doomlord on Apr 23, 2017 21:32:39 GMT
Then why would anyone listen to whatever you have to say here or anywhere else for that matter? For the love of Zeus, man, for the sake of the conversation because this is a forum and common courtesy and re-evaluation! Honestly dude, you're your own worst enemy at times. David Bradley is in a completely different league IMO to Peter Purves and William Russell. Indeed he is in his own league, as in he doesn't sound like him for a BF production, whereas the others do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 21:35:47 GMT
You know, despite thinking he'd be poor casting for the audio side...there's one thing I do like about Bradley potentially playing The Doctor proper - it would kinda be a flip side of Matt Smith's appearance in An Adventure In Space And Time. I still think you could cast someone much more like the First Doctor, if indeed this is the plan, but I'd not really argue the point - he's a great actor and most audiences wouldn't care if he's not quite right. They would just be happy to see a past Doctor and played by the man from Harry Potter/Game Of Thrones/The Strain/Broadchurch no less. Moffat did produce "An Adventure.." too so I'm sure he was supportive at least of the casting of Bradley for Hartnell then. Of course the whole thing could be nonsense and we're debating hypotheticals needlessly. It was ever thus.
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 23, 2017 22:18:07 GMT
I'm bringing this up in lights of recent rumours, Nicholas Briggs has often said he would like to do a dramatisation of David Whitaker's 'Dr Who and an Exciting Adventure with the Daleks' with Bradley, Claudia Grant as Susan, Jemma Powell as Barbara and of course Jamie Glover as Ian who narrates the story. The book was very different to the TV story and film, there is an audiobook reading by William Russell so there may be rights issues? Additionally that cast could maybe eventually take over The Early Adventures dependent on reception? What do people think? Let me get my head around this... A dramatisation of the novelisation of a television show starring actors who played the actors who played the original parts? For me, it's either the most meta thing ever suggested or complete self-indulgence on the part of Mr Briggs. That's a no from me.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 23, 2017 23:59:43 GMT
The thing that occurs to me, and assuming these rumors are correct, is that while we call the Capaldi Doctor the 12th Doctor, he is actually the first Doctor of this new regeneration cycle. So from a story perspective it would be the first Doctor meeting the new first, or 13th, Doctor. Depending on how you look at it. Which, if you think back to 11 generating into 12 and how different it was was....no huge light show just poof "Do you know how to fly this thing?....it might be something Moffat has been planning for some time. Or I could be totally wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 0:20:06 GMT
The thing that occurs to me, and assuming these rumors are correct, is that while we call the Capaldi Doctor the 12th Doctor, he is actually the first Doctor of this new regeneration cycle. So from a story perspective it would be the first Doctor meeting the new first, or 13th, Doctor. Depending on how you look at it. Which, if you think back to 11 generating into 12 and how different it was was....no huge light show just poof "Do you know how to fly this thing?....it might be something Moffat has been planning for some time. Or I could be totally wrong. I think the lack of a big facemorphing regeneration was simply for two reasons rather than anything to call back. 1. We'd already seen that done every time we've seen a regeneration in Nu-Who, Doctors, Masters and River included - and to subvert that totally was a nice swerve. Moffat does like to confound expectation and no-one, even the haters, would have seen that quick gut punch of a regen coming with a quick snap of the head. 2. More obviously - we DID get the big lights show - only 5 minutes earlier. Where he was bursting with regen energy all over the tower taking down a whole Dalek fleet.Would have been a bit much to get that then the typical slow regeneration afterwards. And I dunno, even if there is a connection.. we already used the Smith-Capaldi regeneration for a callback once before in Deep Breath with the phone call from Trenzalore to Glasgow. Might be a bit contrived to find another reason to revisit it.
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Post by bobod on Apr 24, 2017 8:03:56 GMT
I'm bringing this up in lights of recent rumours, Nicholas Briggs has often said he would like to do a dramatisation of David Whitaker's 'Dr Who and an Exciting Adventure with the Daleks' with Bradley, Claudia Grant as Susan, Jemma Powell as Barbara and of course Jamie Glover as Ian who narrates the story. The book was very different to the TV story and film, there is an audiobook reading by William Russell so there may be rights issues? Additionally that cast could maybe eventually take over The Early Adventures dependent on reception? What do people think? Let me get my head around this... A dramatisation of the novelisation of a television show starring actors who played the actors who played the original parts? For me, it's either the most meta thing ever suggested or complete self-indulgence on the part of Mr Briggs. That's a no from me. I think it's a fun idea. It's a book that tells a different but the same version of the TV story, so it seems fairly apt to get a different but the same cast in for an adaptation.
Having said that, William Russell's reading of the novel is fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:23:48 GMT
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Post by dasmaniac on Apr 26, 2017 20:41:57 GMT
At some point Doctor Who will have to fully recast the first three Doctors. If future writers want to be able to use the first three Doctors then recasting them will be the only option. Star Wars recasted Tarkin and is even doing a young Han Solo movie.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 27, 2017 0:21:05 GMT
At some point Doctor Who will have to fully recast the first three Doctors. If future writers want to be able to use the first three Doctors then recasting them will be the only option. Star Wars recasted Tarkin and is even doing a young Han Solo movie. Possibly. But they'll not do it for a long time yet. And Lusasfilm has the money and Tech to do a Tarkin recast, and still didn't get it exactly right because faces are difficult. As for doing a young Han Solo? There's no comparison. We have had Young Indiana Jones already and so on. The only "young" that Doctor Who could realistically attempt is War Doctor, and that would be a difficult casting decision. Personally I'd love to see Doctor Who's version of "The Clone Wars" or "Rebels" with existing Classic Doctors, and BF providing the stories and voice and sound! With again a budget far in excess of anything the BBC has, never mind BF themselves. *sigh* Imagine "Spare Parts" done like the cover of the vinyl?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 4:26:44 GMT
At some point Doctor Who will have to fully recast the first three Doctors. If future writers want to be able to use the first three Doctors then recasting them will be the only option. Star Wars recasted Tarkin and is even doing a young Han Solo movie. The key word in ther is "if". I don't think recasting previous Doctors is a foregone conclusion because it's not obvious to me that they'd want to use those Doctors again. For that matter why limit to the first three. The only classic Doctor who would not need a recast to be featured properly in a story is Paul McGann. None of the others look enough like their character any more.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 27, 2017 9:00:55 GMT
At some point Doctor Who will have to fully recast the first three Doctors. If future writers want to be able to use the first three Doctors then recasting them will be the only option. Star Wars recasted Tarkin and is even doing a young Han Solo movie. The key word in ther is "if". I don't think recasting previous Doctors is a foregone conclusion because it's not obvious to me that they'd want to use those Doctors again. For that matter why limit to the first three. The only classic Doctor who would not need a recast to be featured properly in a story is Paul McGann. None of the others look enough like their character any more. I disagree. Every surviving Doctor is recognizably their Doctor.
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Post by bobod on Apr 27, 2017 9:51:58 GMT
As the 2 scenarios are in 1 thread, 1, Appearing in BF No Peter Purves has a better voice approximation and I'm sure Eliot Chapman will do fine. We don't know Elliot is doing the Doctor in anything yet, do we?
Totally agree though that William and Peter *sound* much more First Doctory than David Bradley - not that that means I'd object to this happening in the TV show.
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