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Post by bobod on Apr 27, 2017 9:55:38 GMT
The key word in ther is "if". I don't think recasting previous Doctors is a foregone conclusion because it's not obvious to me that they'd want to use those Doctors again. For that matter why limit to the first three. The only classic Doctor who would not need a recast to be featured properly in a story is Paul McGann. None of the others look enough like their character any more. I disagree. Every surviving Doctor is recognizably their Doctor. You think Colin Baker could appear on the TV show dressed in a Sixth Doctor costume and that would look recognisably like his Doctor?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 10:02:59 GMT
I disagree. Every surviving Doctor is recognizably their Doctor. You think Colin Baker could appear on the TV show dressed in a Sixth Doctor costume and that would look recognisably like his Doctor? Well, we do have photographic evidence of what this might have looked like: I reckon it was a missed opportunity not to have them do a blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo for the fiftieth like Adventures in Space and Time though. If there'd been a deep need on the writer's part to briefly incorporate their respective incarnations, they could even have voiced their Doctors from afar. Body doubles seen on surveillance screens, for example.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 27, 2017 10:09:42 GMT
I disagree. Every surviving Doctor is recognizably their Doctor. You think Colin Baker could appear on the TV show dressed in a Sixth Doctor costume and that would look recognisably like his Doctor? Yes. Naturally he looks a little older but there's an in-universe explanation for that already.
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Post by bobod on Apr 27, 2017 10:13:00 GMT
You think Colin Baker could appear on the TV show dressed in a Sixth Doctor costume and that would look recognisably like his Doctor? Yes. Naturally he looks a little older but there's an in-universe explanation for that already. You have greater powers of recognition than I do, clearly.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 27, 2017 10:57:59 GMT
As the 2 scenarios are in 1 thread, 1, Appearing in BF No Peter Purves has a better voice approximation and I'm sure Eliot Chapman will do fine. We don't know Elliot is doing the Doctor in anything yet, do we?
Totally agree though that William and Peter *sound* much more First Doctory than David Bradley - not that that means I'd object to this happening in the TV show.
I asked on FB a couple of weeks ago he may be doing some of this June's 1st Doctor CC Boxset in character as the Doctor.
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Post by bobod on Apr 27, 2017 11:04:15 GMT
We don't know Elliot is doing the Doctor in anything yet, do we?
Totally agree though that William and Peter *sound* much more First Doctory than David Bradley - not that that means I'd object to this happening in the TV show.
I asked on FB a couple of weeks ago he may be doing some of this June's 1st Doctor CC Boxset in character as the Doctor.
I think they'll both be Polly Companion Chronicles with Elliot as Ben as (one of) the guest voice(s). Maybe if we get some Hartnell, Ben and Polly Early Adventures or a Ben Companion Chronicle next time.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 27, 2017 11:19:08 GMT
I asked on FB a couple of weeks ago he may be doing some of this June's 1st Doctor CC Boxset in character as the Doctor.
I think they'll both be Polly Companion Chronicles with Elliot as Ben as (one of) the guest voice(s). Maybe if we get some Hartnell, Ben and Polly Early Adventures or a Ben Companion Chronicle next time. Actually I was thinking May's ST Falling will the first 1st Doc, Polly and Ben audio from BF ever, so its unknown and exciting territory whoever takes the lead.
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Post by bobod on Apr 27, 2017 11:31:38 GMT
I think they'll both be Polly Companion Chronicles with Elliot as Ben as (one of) the guest voice(s). Maybe if we get some Hartnell, Ben and Polly Early Adventures or a Ben Companion Chronicle next time. Actually I was thinking May's ST Falling will the first 1st Doc, Polly and Ben audio from BF ever, so its unknown and exciting territory whoever takes the lead.
I was forgetting that one!
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Post by aztec on Apr 27, 2017 12:34:45 GMT
You think Colin Baker could appear on the TV show dressed in a Sixth Doctor costume and that would look recognisably like his Doctor? Well, we do have photographic evidence of what this might have looked like: I reckon it was a missed opportunity not to have them do a blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo for the fiftieth like Adventures in Space and Time though. If there'd been a deep need on the writer's part to briefly incorporate their respective incarnations, they could even have voiced their Doctors from afar. Body doubles seen on surveillance screens, for example. I remember reading a rumour reported on Gallifreybase that Moffat did intend to bring the 5th-7th Doctors back in cameo roles and/or get them to record new dialogue for the 'All 13' sequence but Colin Baker nixed the idea after finding out Tom Baker had a larger role in the story, supposedly he felt that all the classic Doctors should be in the story, or none of them and took offense to the idea that Tom Baker was the favourite (let's face it, for most people he probably is), no idea if this is true or not... No offense to Colin Baker intended, but let's face it he's not one of the most popular Doctors (well, judging by his TV stories at least, he's great on BF) and looks very different to how he did in the 80's, it would have probably confused casual viewers or taken fans out of the moment to have all the Classic Doctors wondering around looking older and there was barely room in the 75 minutes runtime for three Doctors as it is. I'd have got them to record new lines for the all 13 sequence, bring Colin back as an aged Commander Maxil in the gallifrey war council room, extend TNOTD by ten minutes and have it as a pre-credits thing, and get Davison and Mcoy to play the moment's interface...
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Post by doomlord on Apr 27, 2017 13:13:08 GMT
You think Colin Baker could appear on the TV show dressed in a Sixth Doctor costume and that would look recognisably like his Doctor? Yes. Naturally he looks a little older but there's an in-universe explanation for that already. Another possible, and in my opinion, a more feasible explanation, which also carries some jeopardy, is to have someone like Colin's Doctor whom let's face it now looks a lot different to his tenure appearance, to have an alt universe in where the Sixth Doctor never regenerated and with it must change things back the way they're supposed to be in order for the survival of his future, thus the older alt Sixth Doctor sacrificing himself in the chain of events.... also giving Colin a chance of a much deserved on-screen send-out at last.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 27, 2017 13:14:35 GMT
Yes. Naturally he looks a little older but there's an in-universe explanation for that already. Another possible, and in my opinion, a more feasible explanation, which also carries some jeopardy, is to have someone like Colin's Doctor whom let's face it now looks a lot different to his tenure appearance to have an alt universe in where the Sixth Doctor never regenerated and must change things back the way they're supposed to be in order for the survival of his future, thus the older alt Sixth Doctor sacrificing himself in the chain of events.... also giving Colin a chance of a much deserved send-out at last. Would they accept The Brink of Death as within the show's continuity though?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 13:17:02 GMT
I remember reading a rumour reported on Gallifreybase that Moffat did intend to bring the 5th-7th Doctors back in cameo roles and/or get them to record new dialogue for the 'All 13' sequence but Colin Baker nixed the idea after finding out Tom Baker had a larger role in the story, supposedly he felt that all the classic Doctors should be in the story, or none of them and took offense to the idea that Tom Baker was the favourite (let's face it, for most people he probably is), no idea if this is true or not... No offense to Colin Baker intended, but let's face it he's not one of the most popular Doctors (well, judging by his TV stories at least, he's great on BF) and looks very different to how he did in the 80's, it would have probably confused casual viewers or taken fans out of the moment to have all the Classic Doctors wondering around looking older and there was barely room in the 75 minutes runtime for three Doctors as it is. I'd have got them to record new lines for the all 13 sequence, bring Colin back as an aged Commander Maxil in the gallifrey war council room, extend TNOTD by ten minutes and have it as a pre-credits thing, and get Davison and Mcoy to play the moment's interface... Sounds pretty gossipy. That might have something to do with his answer to a question at a convention, he was disappointed no one else was given a role in the proceedings except Tom Baker. He didn't really see the point of bringing him back and to be honest, neither do I really. It's a bit discourteous to have just him, unintentional though I'm sure it was. The rest of it sounds like distorted retellings of reservations towards The Dark Dimension. I doubt that they'd all turn it down even if Colin Baker had really said no anyway, I suspect Peter would likely have been back as would have Sylvester. Still, we got them for The Five-ish Doctors. Yes, poor devil. He gets a bad rap and it's undeserving given all the hard work he's put into revitalising his character on audio. That should be something on most "You Know You're a Hardcore Who Fan When..." lists. "You know you're a hardcore Who fan when the Sixth Doctor is in your top five." Oh, because of the hiatus, the Sixth Doctor looks radically different between seasons, never mind the years following (Colin's looking pretty good in the early nineties BBV stories). Now, that would have been a clever way to incorporate them. How about Castellan Maxil, frustrated that he's been tasked with a glorified desk-job? I'm still in love with the idea of the Moment being played by William Russell and Carole Ann Ford for when it's talking about the past and the future respectively. That still seems so right to me, so I'd probably have Davison and McCoy playing other roles similar to Maxil. I can see Davison as a devious (potentially even murderous) High Chancellor trying to use the situation to his own end and McCoy being an insular, bookish Scryer who is trying to safeguard his library from the hell that's about the pour inside.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 13:18:40 GMT
Another possible, and in my opinion, a more feasible explanation, which also carries some jeopardy, is to have someone like Colin's Doctor whom let's face it now looks a lot different to his tenure appearance to have an alt universe in where the Sixth Doctor never regenerated and must change things back the way they're supposed to be in order for the survival of his future, thus the older alt Sixth Doctor sacrificing himself in the chain of events.... also giving Colin a chance of a much deserved send-out at last. Would they accept The Brink of Death as within the show's continuity though? The Sixth Doctor's got three departures already -- Time's Champion, Spiral Scratch and The Brink of Death (or as I like to collectively call it The Death of a Time Lord) -- I don't think one more is really going to hurt.
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Post by doomlord on Apr 27, 2017 13:21:11 GMT
Another possible, and in my opinion, a more feasible explanation, which also carries some jeopardy, is to have someone like Colin's Doctor whom let's face it now looks a lot different to his tenure appearance to have an alt universe in where the Sixth Doctor never regenerated and must change things back the way they're supposed to be in order for the survival of his future, thus the older alt Sixth Doctor sacrificing himself in the chain of events.... also giving Colin a chance of a much deserved on-screen send-out at last. Would they accept The Brink of Death as within the show's continuity though? One could insert where the chain of events began and ended when the Sixth Doctor entered the cubicle we saw in the 21st Anniversary story 'The Two Doctors'
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Post by doomlord on Apr 27, 2017 13:21:28 GMT
The only "young" that Doctor Who could realistically attempt is War Doctor, and that would be a difficult casting decision. Then I would look no further than Sam Reilly (recently seen in the SS-GB series and the newly released Ben Wheatley film, Free Fire). Not only does he resemble Sir John's thin features of the late-1960s/early-70s but he actually sounds like him with his equally gravelly voice, so could double-hit with TV and/or BF audio adventures.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 27, 2017 13:26:26 GMT
Would they accept The Brink of Death as within the show's continuity though? The Sixth Doctor's got three departures already -- Time's Champion, Spiral Scratch and The Brink of Death (or as I like to collectively call it The Death of a Time Lord) -- I don't think one more is really going to hurt. It's made more complicated by 8 listing his Big Finish companions in Night of the Doctor though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 13:36:17 GMT
The Sixth Doctor's got three departures already -- Time's Champion, Spiral Scratch and The Brink of Death (or as I like to collectively call it The Death of a Time Lord) -- I don't think one more is really going to hurt. It's made more complicated by 8 listing his Big Finish companions in Night of the Doctor though. Not really, Time's Champion ends with the Doctor exercising his powers to make Spiral Scratch happen to save Mel from being claimed as Death's Champion and The Brink of Death is told from the Doctor's perspective rather than Mel's in the final chapters of Spiral Scratch. It certainly puts The War Games to shame when we're talking scale of incidents. We've got the Breakdown, an invasion of Gallifrey by a senient virus created by the Cybermen, the machinations of the Six-Fold Realm, the Cybermen's own ground invasion on Caliban, the birth of Arlene's child, the children of Peinforte and Morbius, the collapse of the multiverse, the Doctor fighting for his life in the Matrix, his confrontations with the Valeyard... It's a dizzying, multicoloured explosion of crises.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 27, 2017 13:36:33 GMT
The Sixth Doctor's got three departures already -- Time's Champion, Spiral Scratch and The Brink of Death (or as I like to collectively call it The Death of a Time Lord) -- I don't think one more is really going to hurt. It's made more complicated by 8 listing his Big Finish companions in Night of the Doctor though. It isn't really though, because "Time's Champion" is completely unofficial in any capacity and isn't anywhere near canon of any kind, however good; "Spiral Scratch" was officially released and you can fit it where you personally like but "The Brink of Death" is probably the nearest to being THE story since Colin himself did it, it's produced officially by BF and approved by DW Cardiff and "NOTD" has that moment that brings in BF's continuity, including Charley Pollard, CF Sixie's "The Last Adventure". Disagree if you like
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 27, 2017 14:03:57 GMT
It's made more complicated by 8 listing his Big Finish companions in Night of the Doctor though. Not really, Time's Champion ends with the Doctor exercising his powers to make Spiral Scratch happen to save Mel from being claimed as Death's Champion and The Brink of Death is told from the Doctor's perspective rather than Mel's in the final chapters of Spiral Scratch. It certainly puts The War Games to shame when we're talking scale of incidents. We've got the Breakdown, an invasion of Gallifrey by a senient virus created by the Cybermen, the machinations of the Six-Fold Realm, the Cybermen's own ground invasion on Caliban, the birth of Arlene's child, the children of Peinforte and Morbius, the collapse of the multiverse, the Doctor fighting for his life in the Matrix, his confrontations with the Valeyard... It's a dizzying, multicoloured explosion of crises. I was referring to if there were a new end for 6 and it contradicted The Brink of Death. How would it work, I wonder, when 8's audio companions are officially canonical?
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Post by sherlock on Apr 27, 2017 14:22:00 GMT
Not really, Time's Champion ends with the Doctor exercising his powers to make Spiral Scratch happen to save Mel from being claimed as Death's Champion and The Brink of Death is told from the Doctor's perspective rather than Mel's in the final chapters of Spiral Scratch. It certainly puts The War Games to shame when we're talking scale of incidents. We've got the Breakdown, an invasion of Gallifrey by a senient virus created by the Cybermen, the machinations of the Six-Fold Realm, the Cybermen's own ground invasion on Caliban, the birth of Arlene's child, the children of Peinforte and Morbius, the collapse of the multiverse, the Doctor fighting for his life in the Matrix, his confrontations with the Valeyard... It's a dizzying, multicoloured explosion of crises. I was referring to if there were a new end for 6 and it contradicted The Brink of Death. How would it work, I wonder, when 8's audio companions are officially canonical? Officially there is no canon.
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