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Post by number13 on Mar 1, 2021 14:01:10 GMT
Nah, Jon Pertwee IS the Third Doctor, I've believed that since 1971 and I'm not changing my mind now!
But Tim Treloar plays him splendidly and I'm so pleased BF took the plunge and recast my Doctor. By Vol 7 we'll have had more than two extra complete Third Doctor seasons (going by the 1970s 26 episode average) and how fabulous is that!
I don’t want to break your illusion, but pertwee only played him.......he’s not real.....hehehe I incline to the theory that like "John Smith" it was another alias he adopted while exiled to Earth by the Time Lords. As well as his vital work at UNIT, he also took part in a five-year series of morale-boosting BBC documentaries.
The Brig. wasn't happy about "security" to begin with, but after it was pointed out that they already had a massive sign by the front gate saying exactly who they were and every alien invader was landing practically on top of them, he agreed the secret was clearly out and the filming went ahead.
Do you really think the Doctor would have behaved and dressed so flamboyantly if not for the cameras? And why the Master chose that precise moment to turn up and try all those wildly over-ambitious schemes that seemed practically designed to fail - so he could have another go the next week? Loving every minute of the attention, both of them.
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Post by timegirl on Mar 1, 2021 14:32:54 GMT
I don’t want to break your illusion, but pertwee only played him.......he’s not real.....hehehe I incline to the theory that like "John Smith" it was another alias he adopted while exiled to Earth by the Time Lords. As well as his vital work at UNIT, he also took part in a five-year series of morale-boosting BBC documentaries.
The Brig. wasn't happy about "security" to begin with, but after it was pointed out that they already had a massive sign by the front gate saying exactly who they were and every alien invader was landing practically on top of them, he agreed the secret was clearly out and the filming went ahead.
Do you really think the Doctor would have behaved and dressed so flamboyantly if not for the cameras? And why the Master chose that precise moment to turn up and try all those wildly over-ambitious schemes that seemed practically designed to fail - so he could have another go the next week? Loving every minute of the attention, both of them.
Can we please have a BF story where this is the case?!🤣
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 21:07:05 GMT
I have to admit it, there was a time when I thought 'when BF start doing recasts, then I won't be buying them.' I'm not sure why, but as others have said, it's probably down to nostalgia and some strange loyalty to the original actor.
Then Tim Treloar came along with an interpretation of the Third Doctor that was so good, he was instantly an exception to my recast 'rule'. Then Daisy Ashford and Sadie Miller appeared - if the original actors' own children are happy to play their parents' roles, then how could I talk about not buying those stories because of 'loyalty?'
BF always do things with a lot of love - they're always respectful about their decisions, and I'm delighted with their recasts so far. Besides, it's either that or we get no full cast First and Third Doctor stories, and that would be a real shame. Is Frazer Hines a recast of The Second Doctor? A strange one, because of course, he also plays another prominent part. Either way, provided it's done with a continued love and care, I'm very happy with the way BF have gone about things.
I think I can elaborate on that point. At least, from my personal perspective. When looking at a release, it's not solely to see whether or not the characters themselves have been accurately portrayed, it's also their dynamic. How they interact between one another. That's a huge selling point. What draws me to the full-cast stories with original actors is definitely some mix of nostalgia and habit, but also, these are people who've known one another for potentially decades. More than that, they've known each others' characters for potentially just as long. They have a rapport. A recast is difficult because you can recreate every individual character perfectly. All their mannerisms. All their points of recognition. But, it doesn't guarantee that you'll have that same spark between actors. I was openminded but a bit sceptical on that point for a very long time. Being able to dip my toes in the recasts helped enormously. The Fifth Traveller with Jemma Powell as Barbara among William Russell and Maureen O'Brien helped acclimatise the difference. Tim Treolar and Katy Manning in The Tyrants of Logic made me forget about the divide between the two and I was onboard by The Invention of Death (the scene by the campfire; "London's burning, London's burning, fetch the engine, fetch the engine~").
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Post by mark687 on Mar 6, 2021 13:53:11 GMT
This Weeks Live Link www.bigfinish.com/podcasts/v/2021-03-07-8th-doctor-stranded-28DA Stranded 2 heavy previewed Listener support for the Recasting statement last week RTDs Mind of the Hodiac Russell's One Show Announcement happen before anything had been confirmed at all. (Nick's not keen on the One Show it seems!) Red Rocket Rising Reviews Lives! Nick apologized he confused Red Rocket Rising with Planet Mondas Reviews (interestingly though he took it with good humor Nick can't repeat the initial re contact E-mail from Tony Jones) From the E-mails BF will probably never get Red Dwarf every time they've asked they've been given a definite No DL Only Releases will stay DL Only to keep costs down but overall productivity up (though Nick can see the argument for a limited CD run for end of series or Arc stuff where CDs of previous series are available eg B7 Lucifer Genesis or J & L Series 14, but that's no grantee it will happen even if these cases) Opening Spoiler for Space 1999 Vol 1 randomly mentioned as being moving and effective When Live this Weeks RAN Offer will be DW CC Home Truths (25% Off DL Only) Regards mark687
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 6, 2021 13:58:04 GMT
Russell's One Show Announcement happen before anything had been confirmed at all. (Nick's not keen on the One Show it seems!) I don't think he likes any outlet that steals his thunder. I think Briggs is a bit of a control freak.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 6, 2021 14:11:03 GMT
Russell's One Show Announcement happen before anything had been confirmed at all. (Nick's not keen on the One Show it seems!) I don't think he likes any outlet that steals his thunder. I think Briggs is a bit of a control freak. TBH BF are still between a Rock and a Hard Place general audience wise, BF,niche market, but you want more public exposure, however the more public exposure you get, the more professional you've got to be which runs the risk of alienating the niche market. Regards mark687
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Post by theillusiveman on Mar 6, 2021 14:30:21 GMT
From what Nick said about Red Dwarf they only asked Doug Naylor once about doing the rights surely they should try agian perhaps with Rob Grant? however i guess with the legal issues at the moment between Doug and Grant Naylor Productions probably wouldn't happen
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Post by The Brigadier on Mar 6, 2021 14:32:40 GMT
From what Nick said about Red Dwarf they only asked Doug Naylor once about doing the rights surely they should try agian perhaps with Rob Grant? however i guess with the legal issues at the moment between Doug and Grant Naylor Productions probably wouldn't happen For some reason the image of Nick and Jason tiptoeing through a minefield sprung into my head....🤔
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 14:42:41 GMT
From what Nick said about Red Dwarf they only asked Doug Naylor once about doing the rights surely they should try agian perhaps with Rob Grant? however i guess with the legal issues at the moment between Doug and Grant Naylor Productions probably wouldn't happen Doug is massively protective of Red Dwarf. There have been numerous publishers he's refused to licence books to after the initial 4 in the 90s. The Smegazine comics would be nice to see collected though, if we have a RD wishlist. People think DW was screwed over - Red Dwarf was getting 8milion viewers on BBC2 in Series VIII and the Beeb refused to renew it. Nothing sums up the 80s and 90s BBC attitude to sci-fi, especially British, more than that. Getting numbers that even Tennant-era Who would be thrilled with, on the secondary BBC channel, and gets cancelled...baffling.
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Post by theillusiveman on Mar 6, 2021 15:00:47 GMT
From what Nick said about Red Dwarf they only asked Doug Naylor once about doing the rights surely they should try agian perhaps with Rob Grant? however i guess with the legal issues at the moment between Doug and Grant Naylor Productions probably wouldn't happen Doug is massively protective of Red Dwarf. There have been numerous publishers he's refused to licence books to after the initial 4 in the 90s. The Smegazine comics would be nice to see collected though, if we have a RD wishlist. People think DW was screwed over - Red Dwarf was getting 8milion viewers on BBC2 in Series VIII and the Beeb refused to renew it. Nothing sums up the 80s and 90s BBC attitude to sci-fi, especially British, more than that. Getting numbers that even Tennant-era Who would be thrilled with, on the secondary BBC channel, and gets cancelled...baffling. Oh yeah the wait between 1999 and 2009 was horrible especially in the pre-internet days with that cliffhanger ending
Its sad that Doug isnt trusting to license other companies to do Audios or Books even if he had creative control
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Post by cwm on Mar 6, 2021 15:05:23 GMT
Russell's One Show Announcement happen before anything had been confirmed at all. (Nick's not keen on the One Show it seems!) I don't think he likes any outlet that steals his thunder. I think Briggs is a bit of a control freak. If the project was announced on live television before anything had been officially confirmed, then I think Nick is well within his rights to be a bit annoyed. From what Nick said about Red Dwarf they only asked Doug Naylor once about doing the rights surely they should try agian perhaps with Rob Grant? however i guess with the legal issues at the moment between Doug and Grant Naylor Productions probably wouldn't happen Doug is massively protective of Red Dwarf. There have been numerous publishers he's refused to licence books to after the initial 4 in the 90s. The Smegazine comics would be nice to see collected though, if we have a RD wishlist. People think DW was screwed over - Red Dwarf was getting 8milion viewers on BBC2 in Series VIII and the Beeb refused to renew it. Nothing sums up the 80s and 90s BBC attitude to sci-fi, especially British, more than that. Getting numbers that even Tennant-era Who would be thrilled with, on the secondary BBC channel, and gets cancelled...baffling. Red Dwarf didn't so much get cancelled, as Series VIII was meant to be the last series. After VIII Doug spent years trying to get the Red Dwarf movie off the ground. By the time he accepted it wasn't going to happen he went back to the BBC to ask about the prospect of another TV series, but by that point seven or eight years had passed and there was a different controller who wasn't interested in place. I think Dwarf is a very different kettle of fish to a lot of BF's other licenses -- it's a long-running property that has always had one very clear voice behind it, the "gestalt entity" that was Grant Naylor and later the two halves of said gestalt entity after it separated. I think Dwarf with no involvement from its original creators would be a tough sell, but then why not put it on TV as long as it's still a going concern?
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Post by grinch on Mar 6, 2021 17:23:41 GMT
Phew. Glad to hear Red Rocket is alright.
Yeah, I don’t think obtaining the license for Red Dwarf was ever a possibility taking into consideration what a lot of you have already said here.
Would be interesting to see them try and do more comedy focused series though. Only time I think they’ve tried that was with the truly dreadful ‘Exile’ and the forgotten although I personally rather liked it ‘Fly Me to the Moon’.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 6, 2021 18:40:37 GMT
Phew. Glad to hear Red Rocket is alright. Yeah, I don’t think obtaining the license for Red Dwarf was ever a possibility taking into consideration what a lot of you have already said here. Would be interesting to see them try and do more comedy focused series though. Only time I think they’ve tried that was with the truly dreadful ‘Exile’ and the forgotten although I personally rather liked it ‘Fly Me to the Moon’. Yes would be good to have a sci-fi sitcom from Big Finish.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 6, 2021 19:25:02 GMT
I don't think he likes any outlet that steals his thunder. I think Briggs is a bit of a control freak. If the project was announced on live television before anything had been officially confirmed, then I think Nick is well within his rights to be a bit annoyed. Maybe, but if no NDAs were signed there isn't much Briggs can do.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 6, 2021 21:09:22 GMT
I think it’s a tough one that can work out either way.
I very much sympathised with Nick when the leak about David Tennant and Catherine Tate coming on board occurred (6 years ago now!). It was before everything had been finalised, let alone recorded. The sheer anticipation from fans for the release could’ve easily been enough to make an agent up the cost and it ultimately cancelling the whole thing. Something similar happened a while back with the Haisman estate when a Yeti figure by Character Options was leaked; they saw the demand and wanted more money. It was out of CO’s reach, especially for a bulky figure with little reuse value, and was shelved.
Mind of the Hodiac feels like a different situation. RTD himself mentioned it on The One Show. It’s promotion that Big Finish otherwise wouldn’t dream of, it’s something that had been previously teased and RTD was hardly going to scupper it from happening with his own script. If Nick is so concerned, then why has Big Finish announced it when it’s not been recorded? It’s a similar principle and I certainly wouldn’t be airing any concerns about the way it was announced if I was Nick.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 6, 2021 23:30:07 GMT
If the project was announced on live television before anything had been officially confirmed, then I think Nick is well within his rights to be a bit annoyed. Maybe, but if no NDAs were signed there isn't much Briggs can do. It’s kind of anyone in Nick’s job to be a control freak. Managing media roll-out is very much a part of any entertainment company’s brief these days. Even if there was no signed NDA, Nick or anyone in his position is still well within their rights to be peeved or pissed. Or even mildly annoyed.
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Post by axelotl38 on Mar 7, 2021 5:01:08 GMT
Russell's One Show Announcement happen before anything had been confirmed at all. (Nick's not keen on the One Show it seems!) I don't think he likes any outlet that steals his thunder. I think Briggs is a bit of a control freak. .....no? It's because there literally isn't contracts signed etc. Not about Nick's ego.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 13, 2021 15:01:22 GMT
This Weeks Live www.bigfinish.com/podcasts/v/2021-03-14-cybermen-beginningMR End of the Beginning and LS Return of the Cybermen Previewed Nick insists that going forward the separate Doctor Ranges will be easily accessible, fun and every Doctor will be well represented From the E-Mails Hints that BF and Nick himself are working on further Gerry Anderson Projects Music Suites and Interviews will continue to be included in productions going forward. Nick awkwardly explains the use of a troupe in the latest Space 1999 and also confirms that there will be another boxset When Live this week's RAN offer (25% off CD/DL) will be: DW MR No 193 Masters of Earth Regards mark687
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Post by theillusiveman on Mar 13, 2021 15:10:02 GMT
I found it amusing when Nick completely dodged the question about The 3DAs having an Anthology release (like Dalek Universe) as the person who wrote the email wondered if Big Finish would do something like that as she wasnt sure where to start with The 3DAs
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Post by grinch on Mar 13, 2021 15:39:27 GMT
Wonder what this’ll mean for any of the pre existing story arcs when it comes to the future Doctor Ranges. I’m thinking mainly for the Sixth Doctor, Flip and Mrs Clarke.
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