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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 10, 2017 23:52:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 2:46:53 GMT
That was gorgeous. A wonderful little graphic novel tale that skipped over the problems of its immediate predecessors within the first two minutes and delivered something really fun. I was bang on the money, Edgar Rice Burroughs and the Barsoom books. Gatiss even managed to get a film reference in with Robinson Crusoe on Mars. We're back to the high of Smile through Knock Knock. That was a way more effective reveal of Missy than The Lie of the Land actually. It's a genuine "Oh, hell..." moment even though we already know who's in there. I love that little bit with Bill talking about The Vikings. A lovely almost Malcolm Hulke moment where the fiction is nudged just a little closer to reality. Great supporting cast and some fantastic set design as well; the pacing managed to be absolutely perfect with the arc taking up as much time as it needed to without distraction. The only thing I missed were the sonic weapons on their arms. After a bumpy last couple of episodes, we're back and it's a good feeling. I'm really looking forward to Rona Munro's entry. I'm none the wiser about why the Queen had a change of mind. Or why blokie was deemed a good recruit at the end. Think about it from her perspective. What's better: a corpse or an enemy-turned-ally who can vouch for your courage, honour and wisdom in a greater cosmos? There were a lot of really nice, subtle edges to the Queen's character. She had a sense of humour ("noisy males") and thought that her men should be treated with the same respect she was given ("Friday" being reduced to a servant). A far cry from the utterly ruthless thugs of The Ice Warriors. There were a lot of lovely little touches like that throughout the episode with the British soldiers as well. The writing and acting really melded together well here. The Martians did some marvellous acting through all that makeup and costuming.
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Post by relativetime on Jun 11, 2017 5:28:06 GMT
I think this may be my favorite Mark Gatiss story - if this is his last Doctor Who story, he definitely went out on a high note! And that cameo at the end had me grinning from ear to ear - I am SO glad I'm caught up on my Classic Who so I could appreciate it! Rona Munro's episode has been my most anticipated episode this season and from the trailer, it looks really good too!
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 11, 2017 8:13:53 GMT
It was good but i thought the ending lacked drama as i don't believe how quickly the Queen made a truce after the momentous build up to war & i thought the Doctor felt sidelined from the action yet again, the shows called Doctor Who.
It's a 7/10 from me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 10:06:50 GMT
3.58 million watched Doctor Who last night. On overnights, it was the fifth most watched show of the day, behind the news, hospital drama Casualty, Scotland vs England (which was the highest rated last night with 4.73 million) and The Voice Kids (I mean, what?).
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Post by mark687 on Jun 11, 2017 10:24:31 GMT
3.58 million watched Doctor Who last night. On overnights, it was the fifth most watched show of the day, behind the news, hospital drama Casualty, Scotland vs England and The Voice Kids (I mean, what?). Drama is always going to loose to Sport especially home nations clashes and people like talent shows and judgement, Casualty resurgence is interesting they've gone back to grittier plots but kept Charlie, Josh and Duffy as that strong moral positive centre.
I think fictional TV Broadcasting changed now if you've more then 2 million watching live and then another 3 million + Catch-up hits then it can be considered still ok in the show pool.
Regards
mark687
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 11, 2017 12:33:05 GMT
Hello again.
Loved it. Mr Gatiss you delivered a good story with an interesting take on alien invaders where humans are the invaders. Linking this up with the Victorian British Empire 'turning Mars pink' was inspired.
I enjoyed the supporting cast with their eccentric Victorian names. The contrast between the two senior officers was well-drawn It was quite an old-fashioned Who in that the companions weren't given much to do. The Doctor was the expert in charge, but even he couldn't do much when events overtook him.
The Ice Warriors were magnificent. A Martian reptilian race impressive, noble and martial. Their queen showing the intelligence of their species and an appreciation of bravery and courage.
The design, music and direction again good. My only gripe, the very silly beachball sonic gun effect. I always liked the original wobbly screen sixties effect.
The icing on the cake was the lovely cameo of Alpha Centauri, played by nonagenarian Ysanne Churchman.
This was a entertaining story. Which returning monster would you like to see. I wondered about the psychological menance of the Mara or the plant that strikes back the Krynoid?
Final thought, that ending, what can Missy see? What does she know? Having escaped the Vault, why didn't she hijack the TARDIS?
Roll on The Eaters of Light, loved Survival, so looking forward to Rona Munro's return to Who...
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Post by ollychops on Jun 11, 2017 12:40:18 GMT
Pleasantly surprised by this one. I don't usually enjoy Gatiss' stories but I was impressed with this one. Felt like a very Classic DW episode to me. And the appearance of Alpha Centauri was pretty awesome too!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 11, 2017 15:05:08 GMT
That was rather good. Everyone on top form. My top three Gatiss stories are 1) The Unquiet Dead, 2) Empress of Mars and 3)The Crimson Horror.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Jun 11, 2017 17:59:56 GMT
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 11, 2017 18:44:26 GMT
Series 10 back to being great again. After the trilogy misfire (my opinion) this was a welcome return to highs of Capaldi's last series. I thought it also felt very much like a classic Doctor Who story and that cameo... Brilliant!
Cheers
Tony
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Post by Hieronymus on Jun 11, 2017 19:43:18 GMT
and that cameo... Brilliant! The cameo was the winning goal for me. And they got the original actor too!
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Post by number13 on Jun 11, 2017 23:23:25 GMT
Well that was fun!I do have points to pick but first - why I enjoyed it: - The Doctor and Bill - again, brilliant dynamic and the way Bill described the world through pop culture reminded me of BF's very own Flip. A pity that Nardole was removed by the TARDIS going AWOL though, I do like the humour he brings to stories. But my goodness, look who he brought to this one... - The Ice Warriors - cool by definition, but the Empress was very cool indeed, and the Hive lighting up was a great moment. Right back to their very first story, Ice Warriors were individuals with their own personalities, not mere 'monsters', members of an advanced warrior culture with space technology and an ancient code of martial Martian honour, and that came through so well here. - The soldiers - again, individuals with their own hopes, fears and moralities, real people, from the Colonel to the troopers (with just one exception, unfortunately.) - The solution: two armed groups at each others' throats (literally, at one point) and not solved by the Doctor preaching peace - which would have been futile in such company, but {Spoiler}because a soldier lives up to the bravery and military code of honour expected of him and understood by the Ice Warriors. - The twist at the end. Not just THAT CAMEO!! but the timey-wimey way it integrated the Ice Warriors into the classic era and bridged the gap between their early 'warrior' stories and the later diplomats. - THE CAMEO!! {Spoiler}Aquamarine and emerald hues of delight rippled across my skin, a tear came to my large, liquid-blue eye and I raised all six tentacles in quivering salute to Ysanne Churchman - Alpha Centauri!!! A moment of pure magic from the Peladon tales I've loved for so long! It seems churlish after such a moment of delight and an exciting story, but just a few criticisms: - The soldiers seemed such believable Victorians, except unfortunately for the Captain who seemed to me like a character from Victorian melodrama. He needed a moustache long enough to twirl. - The Colonel's guilty secret. If a Colonel had been court-martialled for desertion, the scandal would have been such that every soldier in the British army would have known his name and probably every newspaper reader in the Empire too. No way could it have been a secret. - The Ice Warriors' weapons. The classic Ice Warriors had sonic guns and with CGI such weapons could have produced spectacular rippling and blast effects. Much better than the 'curl up and roll away' guns they had here. Otherwise - an excellent episode in an excellent season!
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 12, 2017 16:04:28 GMT
Review recorded. Will go live tomorrow
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 16:25:43 GMT
Absolutely adored that! Could have done without the intro but otherwise spot on. That's how to do good Doctor Who.
And the TARDIS flying off, and that strange business with Missy. Things are not what they seem. Roll on next week.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 12, 2017 22:06:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 22:35:28 GMT
Aquamarine and emerald hues of delight rippled across my skin, a tear came to my large, liquid-blue eye and I raised all six tentacles in quivering salute to Ysanne Churchman - Alpha Centauri!!! A moment of pure magic from the Peladon tales I've loved for so long! I had a thought about that: Given that The Curse of Peladon is supposed to occur sometime in the thirty-ninth century, you have to wonder just how long-lived their species are. What do we think, is it a delegate from Alpha Centauri or the delegate from Alpha Centauri?
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Post by number13 on Jun 12, 2017 22:48:21 GMT
{Spoiler}Aquamarine and emerald hues of delight rippled across my skin, a tear came to my large, liquid-blue eye and I raised all six tentacles in quivering salute to Ysanne Churchman - Alpha Centauri!!! A moment of pure magic from the Peladon tales I've loved for so long! I had a thought about that: {Spoiler}Given that The Curse of Peladon is supposed to occur sometime in the thirty-ninth century, you have to wonder just how long-lived their species are. What do we think, is it a delegate from Alpha Centauri or the delegate from Alpha Centauri? {Spoiler} I think it's THE delegate. In 'The Monster of Peladon', fifty years have passed since 'Curse' and yet Centauri is essentially unchanged and the Doctor seems to expect it to be unchanged. Many marine organisms live very long lives and Centauri's people are particularly advanced scientists, so perhaps they (or at least their elite) are practically immortal? This particular Centaurian may be their lead specialist in bringing new species into the Federation; first the Ice Warriors, then the Pels. How the delicate hexapod coped with the Ice Warriors in their natural state without having hysterics every other minute is another matter...! Maybe it was that experience which made it hysterical?!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 22:57:40 GMT
I had a thought about that: {Spoiler}Given that The Curse of Peladon is supposed to occur sometime in the thirty-ninth century, you have to wonder just how long-lived their species are. What do we think, is it a delegate from Alpha Centauri or the delegate from Alpha Centauri? {Spoiler} I think it's THE delegate. In 'The Monster of Peladon', fifty years have passed and Centauri is unchanged. Many marine organisms live very long lives and Centauri's people are particularly advanced scientists, so perhaps they are practically immortal? And busy, busy, busy. So many solar systems, so little time.
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Post by elkawho on Jun 13, 2017 4:07:13 GMT
Yes, I agree with all you folks who loved it. It had such a great Classic Who feel to it. I had a sense that if we had a four-part story we would have really gotten to know the Captain quite well. The Ice Warrior were portrayed wonderfully and I really liked The Empress. But I, too wondered why the Tardis left? There was absolutely no reason for it.
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