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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 8, 2017 15:37:03 GMT
Except no it really doesn't. Well, sufficient interest not to refuse to do it, certainly. There are actors who have refused roles in the show because they don't like it. Exactly. If he didn't like the show, he wouldn't do three Who-related roles.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jul 8, 2017 16:02:13 GMT
I don't know many jobbing actors who turn down work. Especially high profile work with an international reach such as Doctor Who. Practically all of them if they find something in the offer objectionable (nudity, foul language, working with somebody they don't get on with, working on a show they don't like, too much attention from the press or public). I'm sure that David Bradley feels at least neutral towards the prospect of reappearing on this particular show, and probably more enthusiastic than not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 16:30:04 GMT
Well, sufficient interest not to refuse to do it, certainly. There are actors who have refused roles in the show because they don't like it. Exactly. If he didn't like the show, he wouldn't do three Who-related roles. More that he wouldn't do it if he didn't like the show. There is a huge middle ground where it's just a job. And he's only done two roles really, William Hartnell four years ago and the first Doctor now.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 8, 2017 17:11:58 GMT
Exactly. If he didn't like the show, he wouldn't do three Who-related roles. More that he wouldn't do it if he didn't like the show. There is a huge middle ground where it's just a job. And he's only done two roles really, William Hartnell four years ago and the first Doctor now. I'd like to meet the actors you know because the ones I do see a job as a job. I have not met many actors out there who can afford to turn down a job. I'm sure those actors exist but for jobbing actors, not big to medium sized stars, a job is a job is a job. There may be jobs they like more than others and jobs where they love the show, cast and crew but there are also jobs where everything is a chore. Most actors say yes to both kinds. I'm not saying David Bradley hates Doctor Who, I'm just saying he doesn't have to love it to know a good gig when he sees one.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 8, 2017 18:01:14 GMT
Exactly. If he didn't like the show, he wouldn't do three Who-related roles. More that he wouldn't do it if he didn't like the show. There is a huge middle ground where it's just a job. And he's only done two roles really, William Hartnell four years ago and the first Doctor now. Solomon...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 18:58:08 GMT
More that he wouldn't do it if he didn't like the show. There is a huge middle ground where it's just a job. And he's only done two roles really, William Hartnell four years ago and the first Doctor now. I'd like to meet the actors you know because the ones I do see a job as a job. I have not met many actors out there who can afford to turn down a job. I'm sure those actors exist but for jobbing actors, not big to medium sized stars, a job is a job is a job. There may be jobs they like more than others and jobs where they love the show, cast and crew but there are also jobs where everything is a chore. Most actors say yes to both kinds. I'm not saying David Bradley hates Doctor Who, I'm just saying he doesn't have to love it to know a good gig when he sees one. I'm not in disagreement. As I said, there's a massive gulf between liking a thing and disliking it where a job is just a job. However there will always be cases like, for example, Chris Eccleston refusing to return. In fact I bet he'd turn down any role if it involved working for certain people. I think we're both saying it takes extreme dislike to turn down a role, not that accepting a role implies you like something.
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Post by elkawho on Jul 9, 2017 2:27:56 GMT
More that he wouldn't do it if he didn't like the show. There is a huge middle ground where it's just a job. And he's only done two roles really, William Hartnell four years ago and the first Doctor now. Solomon... He was so great in that role. One of the most evil characters I've ever seen in Who.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 9, 2017 8:47:04 GMT
He was so great in that role. One of the most evil characters I've ever seen in Who. I agree. One of the new series' best one-off villains.
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Post by chrism1999 on Jul 9, 2017 12:01:44 GMT
More that he wouldn't do it if he didn't like the show. There is a huge middle ground where it's just a job. And he's only done two roles really, William Hartnell four years ago and the first Doctor now. I'd like to meet the actors you know because the ones I do see a job as a job. I have not met many actors out there who can afford to turn down a job. I'm sure those actors exist but for jobbing actors, not big to medium sized stars, a job is a job is a job. There may be jobs they like more than others and jobs where they love the show, cast and crew but there are also jobs where everything is a chore. Most actors say yes to both kinds. I'm not saying David Bradley hates Doctor Who, I'm just saying he doesn't have to love it to know a good gig when he sees one. There's a famous quote from Michael Caine about his work on Jaws: The Revenge. "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific.”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 12:38:51 GMT
More that he wouldn't do it if he didn't like the show. There is a huge middle ground where it's just a job. And he's only done two roles really, William Hartnell four years ago and the first Doctor now. I'd like to meet the actors you know because the ones I do see a job as a job. I have not met many actors out there who can afford to turn down a job. I'm sure those actors exist but for jobbing actors, not big to medium sized stars, a job is a job is a job. There may be jobs they like more than others and jobs where they love the show, cast and crew but there are also jobs where everything is a chore. Most actors say yes to both kinds. I'm not saying David Bradley hates Doctor Who, I'm just saying he doesn't have to love it to know a good gig when he sees one. And it doesn't hurt that each time he's done a role for the programme, he's been rather good at it. He was so great in that role. One of the most evil characters I've ever seen in Who. A truly petty character that one. Like Cruella de Vill almost.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Jul 9, 2017 19:17:48 GMT
I'd like to meet the actors you know because the ones I do see a job as a job. I have not met many actors out there who can afford to turn down a job. I'm sure those actors exist but for jobbing actors, not big to medium sized stars, a job is a job is a job. There may be jobs they like more than others and jobs where they love the show, cast and crew but there are also jobs where everything is a chore. Most actors say yes to both kinds. I'm not saying David Bradley hates Doctor Who, I'm just saying he doesn't have to love it to know a good gig when he sees one. There's a famous quote from Michael Caine about his work on Jaws: The Revenge. "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific.” That's a fantastic quote and explains plenty! Not that I'm having a dig about Michael Caine, he's great - but you often see actors in big roles, like Christopher Eccleston in that second Thor film, and you have to assume it was a job to pay the mortgage!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 10, 2017 0:02:02 GMT
There's a famous quote from Michael Caine about his work on Jaws: The Revenge. "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific.” That's a fantastic quote and explains plenty! Not that I'm having a dig about Michael Caine, he's great - but you often see actors in big roles, like Christopher Eccleston in that second Thor film, and you have to assume it was a job to pay the mortgage! And that there is nothing wrong with taking a job to pay the bills.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jul 10, 2017 5:16:56 GMT
It's funny how most people take jobs only to pay the bills, but when actors do one job out of ten for the money, everyone mocks them for it...
Back on subject, I'd love Bradley as the first Doctor, especially if William Russel is retired (I really hope he isn't). A pre-Unearthly Child series with Susan could be fun. A colder, nastier Time Lord renegade, yet to be mellowed out by those two humans he kidnapped. The man who was willing to murder a caveman with a rock because he was slowing them down. A man who's lost a great deal – perhaps the family he tells Victoria he can still see when he wants to, perhaps just his homeworld – a bitter exile in time and space, wanderer in the Fourth Dimension, only his granddaughter to hold him back... Although given how Big Finish wrote the War Doctor, I'm not sure we'd get anything that dark.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Jul 10, 2017 9:19:48 GMT
That's a fantastic quote and explains plenty! Not that I'm having a dig about Michael Caine, he's great - but you often see actors in big roles, like Christopher Eccleston in that second Thor film, and you have to assume it was a job to pay the mortgage! And that there is nothing wrong with taking a job to pay the bills. Absolutely, I certainly don't come in to work for the love of it! My brother, who's been both a navy and an airline pilot, claims he's never had a proper job - he's managed to have a career being paid to do his hobby. I think people are very lucky if they manage to achieve that.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Jul 10, 2017 9:23:36 GMT
It's funny how most people take jobs only to pay the bills, but when actors do one job out of ten for the money, everyone mocks them for it... Back on subject, I'd love Bradley as the first Doctor, especially if William Russel is retired (I really hope he isn't). A pre-Unearthly Child series with Susan could be fun. A colder, nastier Time Lord renegade, yet to be mellowed out by those two humans he kidnapped. The man who was willing to murder a caveman with a rock because he was slowing them down. A man who's lost a great deal – perhaps the family he tells Victoria he can still see when he wants to, perhaps just his homeworld – a bitter exile in time and space, wanderer in the Fourth Dimension, only his granddaughter to hold him back... Although given how Big Finish wrote the War Doctor, I'm not sure we'd get anything that dark. It's an interesting thought, but is there really a market for a bitter, cold and nasty Doctor? Even if there is - I'm not sure the Beeb would approve it. Even the War Doctor, despite all we were told, was pretty heroic at the core and only did what he did when presented with no other choice.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jul 12, 2017 7:19:21 GMT
It's funny how most people take jobs only to pay the bills, but when actors do one job out of ten for the money, everyone mocks them for it... Back on subject, I'd love Bradley as the first Doctor, especially if William Russel is retired (I really hope he isn't). A pre-Unearthly Child series with Susan could be fun. A colder, nastier Time Lord renegade, yet to be mellowed out by those two humans he kidnapped. The man who was willing to murder a caveman with a rock because he was slowing them down. A man who's lost a great deal – perhaps the family he tells Victoria he can still see when he wants to, perhaps just his homeworld – a bitter exile in time and space, wanderer in the Fourth Dimension, only his granddaughter to hold him back... Although given how Big Finish wrote the War Doctor, I'm not sure we'd get anything that dark. It's an interesting thought, but is there really a market for a bitter, cold and nasty Doctor? Even if there is - I'm not sure the Beeb would approve it. Even the War Doctor, despite all we were told, was pretty heroic at the core and only did what he did when presented with no other choice. I suspect that you're right. Still, my big demand for a pre-Unearthly Child series would be that the Doctor is at least consistent with An Unearthly Child, where he's not openly heroic and is a good deal less heroic than his future selves. Hartnell acted out a beautiful character arc for the Doctor, showing how Ian and Barbara changed him for the better, and it would be a shame to see him acting like the later version of the Doctor before he meets them. (If it was up to me, he wouldn't even be called the Doctor, but I know that wouldn't fly).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 9:23:16 GMT
It's an interesting thought, but is there really a market for a bitter, cold and nasty Doctor? Even if there is - I'm not sure the Beeb would approve it. Even the War Doctor, despite all we were told, was pretty heroic at the core and only did what he did when presented with no other choice. I suspect that you're right. Still, my big demand for a pre-Unearthly Child series would be that the Doctor is at least consistent with An Unearthly Child, where he's not openly heroic and is a good deal less heroic than his future selves. Hartnell acted out a beautiful character arc for the Doctor, showing how Ian and Barbara changed him for the better, and it would be a shame to see him acting like the later version of the Doctor before he meets them. (If it was up to me, he wouldn't even be called the Doctor, but I know that wouldn't fly). Absolutely spot on. I view William Hartnell's era as setting up the series as a whole (although no-one working on the show could have realised it at the time). When Chris Eccleston brought the show back as a massive hit in 2005, his Doctor was initially pretty distant and rough around the edges until meeting his lovely Earth companion slowly softened his edges. Originally it was Ian and Barbara who did the same for the first brusque, cold version of The Doctor we first met in 1963. It is, in itself, a wonderful arc, and one that seemed to echo what happened to William Hartnell as a result of working on the show and coming into contact with its young audience. Any pre-Unearthly Child stories - which I would preorder in an instant, by the way - should, I think, respect that.
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Post by bobod on Jul 12, 2017 9:35:14 GMT
I suspect that you're right. Still, my big demand for a pre-Unearthly Child series would be that the Doctor is at least consistent with An Unearthly Child, where he's not openly heroic and is a good deal less heroic than his future selves. Hartnell acted out a beautiful character arc for the Doctor, showing how Ian and Barbara changed him for the better, and it would be a shame to see him acting like the later version of the Doctor before he meets them. (If it was up to me, he wouldn't even be called the Doctor, but I know that wouldn't fly). Absolutely spot on. I view William Hartnell's era as setting up the series as a whole (although no-one working on the show could have realised it at the time). When Chris Eccleston brought the show back as a massive hit in 2005, his Doctor was initially pretty distant and rough around the edges until meeting his lovely Earth companion slowly softened his edges. Originally it was Ian and Barbara who did the same for the first brusque, cold version of The Doctor we first met in 1963. It is, in itself, a wonderful arc, and one that seemed to echo what happened to William Hartnell as a result of working on the show and coming into contact with its young audience. Any pre-Unearthly Child stories - which I would preorder in an instant, by the way - should, I think, respect that. I'm trying to remember how he comes across in the few pre-AUC stories we do have from BF.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 10:05:23 GMT
Absolutely spot on. I view William Hartnell's era as setting up the series as a whole (although no-one working on the show could have realised it at the time). When Chris Eccleston brought the show back as a massive hit in 2005, his Doctor was initially pretty distant and rough around the edges until meeting his lovely Earth companion slowly softened his edges. Originally it was Ian and Barbara who did the same for the first brusque, cold version of The Doctor we first met in 1963. It is, in itself, a wonderful arc, and one that seemed to echo what happened to William Hartnell as a result of working on the show and coming into contact with its young audience. Any pre-Unearthly Child stories - which I would preorder in an instant, by the way - should, I think, respect that. I'm trying to remember how he comes across in the few pre-AUC stories we do have from BF. I remember 'The Beginning' from 2013, which was a Companion Chronicle. I can't remember many more without checking, but I suppose the difference here is - and of course, this is speculation and wishful-thinking - we may have someone playing the First Doctor rather than him being voiced by another (in this case Carole Ann Ford). I trust BF enough to make him a somewhat curmudgeonly old chap, which is what I would want. Thing is, as someone said above, would the BBC be happy with The Doctor being portrayed in this way?
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Post by bobod on Jul 12, 2017 10:13:24 GMT
Well they were fine with it in 2005 and 2014.
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