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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 10:22:11 GMT
Well they were fine with it in 2005 and 2014. This is very true!
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Post by number13 on Jul 12, 2017 11:17:28 GMT
Well they were fine with it in 2005 and 2014. And 1963! Having said that, in 'The Beginning' he doesn't seem at all the sort of Time Lord who would kidnap a nice human couple just for discovering his Ship, or brain a caveman with a rock. {Spoiler} In fact, my favourite scene is when he and Susan step out onto their very first alien world (Earth of course) full of joy and wonder. And then start taking 'holiday snaps' of each other like a couple of time tourists. Maybe there is an untold arc after that and Quinnis, a short series of adventures which left the Doctor suspicious and embittered about the decision he'd made to leave home? Then later, (as seen on TV) he regains the kindlier personality he originally was?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 19:11:49 GMT
Well they were fine with it in 2005 and 2014. And 1963! Having said that, in 'The Beginning' he doesn't seem at all the sort of Time Lord who would kidnap a nice human couple just for discovering his Ship, or brain a caveman with a rock. {Spoiler} In fact, my favourite scene is when he and Susan step out onto their very first alien world (Earth of course) full of joy and wonder. And then start taking 'holiday snaps' of each other like a couple of time tourists. Maybe there is an untold arc after that and Quinnis, a short series of adventures which left the Doctor suspicious and embittered about the decision he'd made to leave home? Then later, (as seen on TV) he regains the kindlier personality he originally was? This is Susan's interpretation of her grandfather though. She's going to be a bit biased in how she views him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 20:01:52 GMT
And 1963! Having said that, in 'The Beginning' he doesn't seem at all the sort of Time Lord who would kidnap a nice human couple just for discovering his Ship, or brain a caveman with a rock. {Spoiler} In fact, my favourite scene is when he and Susan step out onto their very first alien world (Earth of course) full of joy and wonder. And then start taking 'holiday snaps' of each other like a couple of time tourists. Maybe there is an untold arc after that and Quinnis, a short series of adventures which left the Doctor suspicious and embittered about the decision he'd made to leave home? Then later, (as seen on TV) he regains the kindlier personality he originally was? This is Susan's interpretation of her grandfather though. She's going to be a bit biased in how she views him. That's always been my interpretation of those earlier stories too. Remember, he was kind to Susan almost from the very beginning, but that may not have been true of others. I reckon that recollection was the Doctor she saw buried beneath the self-interest and cruelty. It took a while for him to grow into himself and she recognises that cruelty festering and reemerging in Eight at the end of ...To the Death. I'm willing to chalk it up to Susan being an unreliable narrator in this respect. Much like Vastra's assertion that the Doctor isn't bloodsoaked: nice idea, but patently untrue.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 13, 2017 19:30:17 GMT
There's a famous quote from Michael Caine about his work on Jaws: The Revenge. "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific.” That's a fantastic quote and explains plenty! Not that I'm having a dig about Michael Caine, he's great - but you often see actors in big roles, like Christopher Eccleston in that second Thor film, and you have to assume it was a job to pay the mortgage! Then there's Karen Gillan, who is given one of the most complex characters in the MCU. Christopher Eccleston must feel cheated!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 13, 2017 19:32:36 GMT
It's funny how most people take jobs only to pay the bills, but when actors do one job out of ten for the money, everyone mocks them for it... Back on subject, I'd love Bradley as the first Doctor, especially if William Russel is retired (I really hope he isn't). A pre-Unearthly Child series with Susan could be fun. A colder, nastier Time Lord renegade, yet to be mellowed out by those two humans he kidnapped. The man who was willing to murder a caveman with a rock because he was slowing them down. A man who's lost a great deal – perhaps the family he tells Victoria he can still see when he wants to, perhaps just his homeworld – a bitter exile in time and space, wanderer in the Fourth Dimension, only his granddaughter to hold him back... Although given how Big Finish wrote the War Doctor, I'm not sure we'd get anything that dark. David Bradley is great at playing seemingly cold characters who still have a little warmth. I can easily imagine him voicing a pre-Unearthly Child 1st Doctor.
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Post by doomlord on Jul 13, 2017 19:59:25 GMT
That's a fantastic quote and explains plenty! Not that I'm having a dig about Michael Caine, he's great - but you often see actors in big roles, like Christopher Eccleston in that second Thor film, and you have to assume it was a job to pay the mortgage! Then there's Karen Gillan, who is given one of the most complex characters in the MCU. Christopher Eccleston must feel cheated! Next you'll be saying he didn't get paid! And everyone else in the Marvel Films that also haven't returned, feel 'cheated'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:04:32 GMT
Then there's Karen Gillan, who is given one of the most complex characters in the MCU. Christopher Eccleston must feel cheated! Next you'll be saying he didn't get paid! And everyone else in the Marvel Films that also haven't returned, feel 'cheated'. HaHa! Yep, they get paid enough! & I doubt that any serious thesps choose a Marvel role for character complexity despite the nonsense they bang on about at press interviews!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:10:22 GMT
That's a fantastic quote and explains plenty! Not that I'm having a dig about Michael Caine, he's great - but you often see actors in big roles, like Christopher Eccleston in that second Thor film, and you have to assume it was a job to pay the mortgage! Then there's Karen Gillan, who is given one of the most complex characters in the MCU. Christopher Eccleston must feel cheated! Nah. Chris is a great actor but he'd have been rubbish as Nebula. Karen was a much better choice.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 13, 2017 20:16:27 GMT
Then there's Karen Gillan, who is given one of the most complex characters in the MCU. Christopher Eccleston must feel cheated! Next you'll be saying he didn't get paid! And everyone else in the Marvel Films that also haven't returned, feel 'cheated'. They probably do, because they don't get contracts for multiple films like some of the other actors.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:25:03 GMT
Next you'll be saying he didn't get paid! And everyone else in the Marvel Films that also haven't returned, feel 'cheated'. They probably do, because they don't get contracts for multiple films like some of the other actors. They might not want that. They probably just want a bit of fun & a big pay cheque. & then the freedom to do other things. Not every actor wants to be tied down to a franchise.
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Post by doomlord on Jul 13, 2017 22:01:08 GMT
Next you'll be saying he didn't get paid! And everyone else in the Marvel Films that also haven't returned, feel 'cheated'. They probably do, because they don't get contracts for multiple films like some of the other actors. They probably don't. The huge pay cheques fills that hole rather nicely. The well-known Michael Caine anecdote should be enough to explain this to you.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 13, 2017 22:17:11 GMT
Not working actors would almost always rather be working actors.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 25, 2017 3:23:00 GMT
Next you'll be saying he didn't get paid! And everyone else in the Marvel Films that also haven't returned, feel 'cheated'. They probably do, because they don't get contracts for multiple films like some of the other actors. I thought Eccleston didn't like returning to old roles. Isn't that why he wasn't in Day of the Doctor. I doubt he would have wanted to come back to the MCU. Also, didn't Malekith die?
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Post by dorney on Jul 25, 2017 9:10:01 GMT
Next you'll be saying he didn't get paid! And everyone else in the Marvel Films that also haven't returned, feel 'cheated'. They probably do, because they don't get contracts for multiple films like some of the other actors. Then they don't have to sign the contract.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 25, 2017 9:31:46 GMT
They probably do, because they don't get contracts for multiple films like some of the other actors. Then they don't have to sign the contract. Maybe they thought it might lead to multiple films? Who knows? They may be totally fine with single film appearances, they may not.
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Post by dorney on Jul 25, 2017 10:04:51 GMT
Then they don't have to sign the contract. Maybe they thought it might lead to multiple films? Who knows? They may be totally fine with single film appearances, they may not. I honestly don't think actors think like that. Even if you think there's the option, you don't feel cheated if it doesn't happen. I mean, I can imagine Dougray Scott gets grumpy about Wolverine, but that's quite specific circumstances!
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 25, 2017 12:23:32 GMT
They probably do, because they don't get contracts for multiple films like some of the other actors. I thought Eccleston didn't like returning to old roles. Isn't that why he wasn't in Day of the Doctor. I doubt he would have wanted to come back to the MCU. Also, didn't Malekith die? He does yeah. But what peeved Eccleston if I remember rightly was that they cut out all the scenes that explained his character more and gave him substance from the final film.
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