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Post by fingersmash on Jul 17, 2017 13:40:31 GMT
Actually, have we ever had two male companions before? This could be a good opportunity to try the dynamic out. Sorta off topic, but I wonder why BF hasn't created many male companions of their own? (C'Rizz and Oliver from the CC's are it I think) Do they just prefer the male/female dynamic, or is it the wishes of the Doctors themselves? It's not like the audio stories suffer from a paucity of interesting guest female characters. Really curious to see how the 6th Doctor would work with a male companion... Hex, Brewster, Alex, Will. I think that's it, still a lot more females. I agree that we should see a male companion for Ol Sixie.
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Post by escalus5 on Jul 17, 2017 13:41:38 GMT
According to many a showrunner, the companion is really the star, "Many a showrunner"? I seem to remember only Moffat saying that, and he was wrong.
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Post by jasonward on Jul 17, 2017 13:41:48 GMT
I think the point about a companion being the real start as some grounds of truth, for sure we are all familiar with "our" doctor concept, but, I also when I recall say Tom, think of Leela, or even Sarah Jane, in fact when I think of Jon I think of Jo etc. I think if you get the match right you could have an interesting dynamic to play with. Personally what about another Timelord as per Tom and Romana. That could prove something not fully explored in the nu who. Again, this is open for debate from the off. The problem with the Timelord as companion thing, is that it makes issues with story telling, the companion is the viewer surrogate who asks "What?", "Why?", "How?", "Where?" but a Timelord would know a lot more of the answers already and it would seem odd a Timelord being as ill-informed as 21st century Earth teen.
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Post by kfbate on Jul 17, 2017 13:45:51 GMT
I think the point about a companion being the real start as some grounds of truth, for sure we are all familiar with "our" doctor concept, but, I also when I recall say Tom, think of Leela, or even Sarah Jane, in fact when I think of Jon I think of Jo etc. I think if you get the match right you could have an interesting dynamic to play with. Personally what about another Timelord as per Tom and Romana. That could prove something not fully explored in the nu who. Again, this is open for debate from the off. The problem with the Timelord as companion thing, is that it makes issues with story telling, the companion is the viewer surrogate who asks "What?", "Why?", "How?", "Where?" but a Timelord would know a lot more of the answers already and it would seem odd a Timelord being as ill-informed as 21st century Earth teen. Point taken, maybe Jason some weird licence deal could be done with Big Finish and one of their companions could jump across from audio to visual, that would be interesting.
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Post by jasonward on Jul 17, 2017 13:53:31 GMT
The problem with the Timelord as companion thing, is that it makes issues with story telling, the companion is the viewer surrogate who asks "What?", "Why?", "How?", "Where?" but a Timelord would know a lot more of the answers already and it would seem odd a Timelord being as ill-informed as 21st century Earth teen. Point taken, maybe Jason some weird licence deal could be done with Big Finish and one of their companions could jump across from audio to visual, that would be interesting. DI Menzies is the one of the best companions that never was in my eyes, and I would just LOVE her to come to TV Who. However, the BBC charter requirements around commercial stuff leaking into licence fee stuff would I expect preclude such a thing.
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Post by kfbate on Jul 17, 2017 13:54:47 GMT
Good call, I had forgotten her.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jul 17, 2017 14:04:55 GMT
Definitely no romance and no "impossible, special, most important thing in the universe" person either (I take @davygallagher's point about Bill in a different thread, but she ended up being saved by something special). I would however like to see Bill back, just ordinary, friendly, chatty, Bill. I do like Bill ...
Cheers
Tony
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Post by theotherjosh on Jul 17, 2017 14:06:49 GMT
My personal preference would be a primary female companion with a secondary male companion. Ideally something like Ace/Hex or a sister/brother pairing.
Honestly, I'd be pretty happy with anything other than an ingénue from modern London. The revived series is more than a decade old at this point, and I think they can start taking risks with the companions.
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Post by aztec on Jul 17, 2017 14:10:07 GMT
Honestly, I'd be pretty happy with anything other than an ingénue from modern London. The revived series is more than a decade old at this point, and I think they can start taking risks with the companions. Agreed, although he was essentially a humanoid K9 Nardole is possibly my favourite New Who companion (well, after Donna) for precisely that reason, he's unusual weird and shady but no less an interesting and likeable character because of it.
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Post by relativetime on Jul 17, 2017 14:47:43 GMT
I'd love to have a companion in the same vein as Jamie! But, I think a sort of Marty McFly character as someone suggested earlier would be amazing as well! I think while there's an argument to be made for Chibnall to keep some familiarity for the fans who are still unsure, I think doing something just as daring with the companion would keep Doctor Who in the news and would add more reason for people to tune in next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 14:55:42 GMT
A guy companion would be cool not because it's a female Doctor but just because it's been donkeys years since we got one. Rory and Mickey were only there because of their better halves, so I guess Jack is the only New-Who male to just be asked along on his own merits.
And far be it from me to go against the grain, but I'm all for romance, or just relationships, in the show. Don't need them to involve The Doctor but not having relationships open to explore is a massive part of dramatic potential to close off.
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Post by kimalysong on Jul 17, 2017 15:07:18 GMT
A guy companion would be cool not because it's a female Doctor but just because it's been donkeys years since we got one. Rory and Mickey were only there because of their better halves, so I guess Jack is the only New-Who male to just be asked along on his own merits. And far be it from me to go against the grain, but I'm all for romance, or just relationships, in the show. Don't need them to involve The Doctor but not having relationships open to explore is a massive part of dramatic potential to close off. I want Bill back but I also absolutely want a main male companion. Although I don't want romance with the Doctor. The Companion having a romance is fine but I prefer my Doctor to be asexual. And at the very least I wouldn't want the first female Doctor to get in a romance with her male companion. That doesn't mean she can't love the companion. In fact I feel the Doctor does love his companions very much just not romantically. As for companion/doctor relationship I like the "best bud" or "mentor" types the best.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 15:15:44 GMT
I guess while that's true about The Doctor being asexual a lot of the time but Rose and River would probably disagree and I'm sure Susan's parents would. It's all preferences though so there's no right or wrong, just willingness to go along with what we actually do get given when the stories are actually told. Always difficult to judge hypotheticals.
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Post by kimalysong on Jul 17, 2017 15:20:45 GMT
I guess while that's true a lot of the time but Rose and River would probably disagree. It's all preferences though so there's no right or wrong, just willingness to go along with what we actually do get given when the stories are actually told. Always difficult to judge hypotheticals. Well yeah I get romance has been brought into the Tardis and it may happen again in the future but I think it would be a bad idea to start off that way with the first female Doctor. But even with Rose and River I can argue that the Doctor's love for them wasn't a "normal romance"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 15:25:02 GMT
I guess while that's true a lot of the time but Rose and River would probably disagree. It's all preferences though so there's no right or wrong, just willingness to go along with what we actually do get given when the stories are actually told. Always difficult to judge hypotheticals. Well yeah I get romance has been brought into the Tardis and it may happen again in the future but I think it would be a bad idea to start off that way with the first female Doctor. But even with Rose and River I can argue that the Doctor's love for them wasn't a "normal romance" The theoretical one with 13 and whomever may not be "normal" either. No way of knowing and I'm sure we'll all debate that in a year or two if/when it happens.
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Post by kimalysong on Jul 17, 2017 15:31:35 GMT
Well yeah I get romance has been brought into the Tardis and it may happen again in the future but I think it would be a bad idea to start off that way with the first female Doctor. But even with Rose and River I can argue that the Doctor's love for them wasn't a "normal romance" The theoretical one with 13 and whomever may not be "normal" either. No way of knowing and I'm sure we'll all debate that in a year or two if/when it happens. Yeah but often main female characters are often reduced to romance. I am not saying that will be the case here even if she does have a romance but I 'd love a main female Doctor that is not in romance. I get that it's just my personal preference. But I want the first female Doctor to break down as many stereotypes as possible. And finding a main female character not in a romantic relationship is much rarer than a male character.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 17, 2017 15:37:22 GMT
I would've liked an older male companion silmer to Wilf but I don't think we'll get it.
Maybe a younger damaged but positive/ determined in outlook male.
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Post by Faith on Jul 17, 2017 15:39:36 GMT
Actually, have we ever had two male companions before? This could be a good opportunity to try the dynamic out. Yes, technically. Jamie, Ben, and Polly were a TARDIS crew together. That being said, it's obviously been quite a while.
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Post by constonks on Jul 17, 2017 15:40:24 GMT
Recent period companion, like we thought Bill was. Like a lightly historical companion, from the 80s or so. No need to get too crazy with everything that's already going on.
But I'd also be fine if it's just a present day dude in his twenties who's not The Boyfriend. We've had that, what, once on TV? And even then, Ben married Polly in the end! Even counting Mickey and Rory, that's only three.
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Post by muckypup on Jul 17, 2017 15:41:35 GMT
it's just the fact that the new show runner felt it was right to fundamentally change the show (which for good or bad that's what's happening) Isn't that a good thing (and his job?), that he has the confidence to stamp his mark on the show immediately, or would you have preferred Chibnall to do nothing new/unexpected? I for one would rather the show crashed and burned doing something very dramatic and new trying to bring in new audiences, rather than limp on dying a slow death rehashing old stuff and formats in an attempt to pander to existing fans. Creating the timelords, introducing regeneration, exiling the Doctor to earth, switching to colour footage, creating the Master, showing gallifrey, the time war, the War Doctor, making the Doctor a romantic leading man and giving him love interests have all massively changed the show one way or another and thw showrunners at the time had no qualms about changing the show so dramatically, regardless of fan/critic opinion at the time. You absolutely are right, and I have no proper argument against any of it. but my gut.....says it's wrong. With the audience falling to less than 50% of what it was getting when it returned, even when you factor in iPlayer etc. It seems a step too far. Headlines are all well and good as are breaking down boundaries but if you alienate about 1/3 of your core viewers, it puts the show in firing line for cancellation. personally I would much rather have seen a Racially different male in the lead, I think that would have been a bolder ( in casting terms) but less controversial route to take the show. She is still white middle class! but she is the doctor now, the writing is gonna have to be pretty dam outstanding to give her a chance at making it a success.
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