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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 18:15:09 GMT
I really appreciate the way Peter is handling it. He's sad about it and doesn't think it was the right move, but admits he's old fashioned and that it may just be that times have changed. Ironically, Tom Baker was perhaps one of the first to suggest the possibility of a female Doctor before Peter was even cast. But should Peter have to put his own views down in such a way? Nobody forced him to, he was just being gentlemanly. Refreshing in the modern world.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 21, 2017 18:29:47 GMT
This is probably being blown out of proportion just a bit, probably not helped by Colin Baker being a bit blunt in his response. What is encouraging is that despite being a sceptic on the idea Davison seems willing to see how it pans out, with his comment about the need to open it up and him being old-fashioned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 18:47:53 GMT
Yeah. Sad thing is that Colin Baker is making the argument objective. At least, Peter Davison is being subjective about him, which is unusual considering his past behaviour. I really appreciate the way Peter is handling it. He's sad about it and doesn't think it was the right move, but admits he's old fashioned and that it may just be that times have changed. Ironically, Tom Baker was perhaps one of the first to suggest the possibility of a female Doctor before Peter was even cast. And Tom's been reasonable about this. He's fine with a woman, but says if she's not good enough she should get the chop. What I find curious is that people moan about people who are leaving because it's a female Doctor - which, to be honest, is a fair enough decision as for many people it would change their perception of the show because it is different for everyone, really - have some people making a big deal about how she's the best Doctor ever. I mean, we can't judge yet, really. Another thing I want to know is - and this is a general question - how should the Doctors following Whittaker be cast?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 18:48:55 GMT
I really appreciate the way Peter is handling it. He's sad about it and doesn't think it was the right move, but admits he's old fashioned and that it may just be that times have changed. Ironically, Tom Baker was perhaps one of the first to suggest the possibility of a female Doctor before Peter was even cast. Jokingly though Mmm. The first serious consideration of a woman in the role was with the casting of the 9th Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 18:50:18 GMT
I was just happy to log on to the Beeb at lunchtime and Colin Baker was on the main page I've made my feelings clear, but I'm glad the show is causing such debate and maintaining relevance. Yeah. It does seem as if the show seems to be more important now. Three stories on the Entertainment And Arts page are Doctor Who related... I hope this suggests that Doctor Who will have a resurgence with Whittaker in the role.
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Post by muckypup on Jul 21, 2017 18:54:29 GMT
I was just happy to log on to the Beeb at lunchtime and Colin Baker was on the main page I've made my feelings clear, but I'm glad the show is causing such debate and maintaining relevance. But perhaps at the expense of long term ratings & viewers. its good to see how passionate people are but I still maintain that most of the pro's don't have doctor who on sky+, series link, etc or watch regular. upset the old guard, nothing for the new blood (cause what 8-14 is going to want to watch their mum) and you are left with a weaker audience and a show that might just have jumped the shark for headlines & politics. for me, and this is just me. i feel that this has diminished the show, not the casting (I think I can live with that) but all the stuff and nonsense that has gone with it. I cannot bring myself to listen to BF, I have not checked the website for days, my lastest issue of DWM remains unread & it all feels tainted. its all become about gender politics, I am labelled sexist to shut down discussion even on here the bastion of rational thinking the same thing has been used, in fact I feel a bit embarrassed to be a doctor who fan now, actually I don't feel like I am one anymore. i don't think....I have given up the show entirely but we will see, but almost a week on and I feel less interest each day with each new way to make me feel bad, redundant doctors having their say for a few more minutes of notoriety & the worst side of fandom being paraded for the media to sneer at once again I just despair. I did send my 31 doctor who t-shirts to the charity shop yesterday as I just could not wear them anymore and my tardis has dematerialised from the windowsill to the wardrobe. its been a funny week who would have thought it! But by far the worst thing to happen was losing Trevor Baxter!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 1:02:16 GMT
This is probably being blown out of proportion just a bit, probably not helped by Colin Baker being a bit blunt in his response. What is encouraging is that despite being a sceptic on the idea Davison seems willing to see how it pans out, with his comment about the need to open it up and him being old-fashioned. I'm always very wary of soundbites in media because they often need to meet a particular word count. Let's take your post for example and cut it down for publication: Now, aside from the addition of two little letters, everything there is in your own words. However, it comes across as a great deal more inflammatory than if we had the full text. In fact, we've completely lost the ethos of it entirely, it now sounds like they're attacking each other, which is certainly not the case. I could add the headline "STARS GO HEAD-TO-HEAD OVER FEMALE DOCTOR" and there we go, we have sensationalist news. Ugh... I need a shower now to wash off the poor journalism. Yuck.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 22, 2017 2:26:59 GMT
Another thing I want to know is - and this is a general question - how should the Doctors following Whittaker be cast? I think the 14th Doctor should be a kitten. A cute, fuzzy wuzzy cuddly kitten. Who could possibly have anything against The Doctor being portrayed by an adorable kitten? Only a raging speciesist, that's who. ;-) Sorry, that probably sounds like I'm making fun of people who wanted a female Doctor - I'm actually attempting to make fun of the idea that the only reasons that someone would be against a female Doctor are sexism or fear of females. Maybe some people just prefer the Doctor to not be a kitten, and it's ok to be that way. :-) I'd still prefer The Doctor to be a guy, but it's not all about what I prefer. This seems to mean a lot to some people (more than I'd realized) and that being the case, I'm very happy for them to get a turn at having their preference.
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Post by kimalysong on Jul 22, 2017 10:39:08 GMT
But Peter's companion will have some things to say to him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 11:08:58 GMT
But Peter's companion will have some things to say to him That's got to be a really nice friendship.
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Post by pazzer on Jul 22, 2017 17:09:06 GMT
I don't get it. As to me is just the Doctor regenerating which has happened many times before, appearance changes but in the end is still the Doctor.
Am saddened by some of the comments have read online. At the moment the show i've enjoyed since age 4 feels tainted and the Doctor no longer makes me feel safe. Hopefully that will change come Christmas.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 22, 2017 17:25:46 GMT
Hmmm.
My love of Who has not diminished. Nor has my love of BF. I'm embracing this casting change with open arms. I formerly had an intellectually thought out opinion on why the Doctor should be male, but that argument had a giant hole in it, mainly the first 13 Doctors are still there, and with BF's help, and some reconstruction animations released every now and then, not going away any time soon.
So bring it on Jodie! Be the best Doctor you can be and I'll follow you.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jul 22, 2017 19:20:05 GMT
I really appreciate the way Peter is handling it. He's sad about it and doesn't think it was the right move, but admits he's old fashioned and that it may just be that times have changed. Ironically, Tom Baker was perhaps one of the first to suggest the possibility of a female Doctor before Peter was even cast. And Tom's been reasonable about this. He's fine with a woman, but says if she's not good enough she should get the chop. What's with this weird Strawman I keep seeing that people who want a female Doctor don't care if she can act? I'm not attacking you, BTW. It's just that I keep seeing this and it always confuses me.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 22, 2017 20:27:29 GMT
A week in and I still don't get the kneejerk reactions to the casting. I really don't and apologies to some but the idea of walking away from Doctor Who and/or Big Finish because of the casting of a woman as The Doctor just strikes as supremely silly. Anyway, as to the topic at hand, I think it is less a clash than a disagreement that has been inflated by the media to generate clicks.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 22, 2017 20:28:43 GMT
Hmmm. My love of Who has not diminished. Nor has my love of BF. I'm embracing this casting change with open arms. I formerly had an intellectually thought out opinion on why the Doctor should be male, but that argument had a giant hole in it, mainly the first 13 Doctors are still there, and with BF's help, and some reconstruction animations released every now and then, not going away any time soon. So bring it on Jodie! Be the best Doctor you can be and I'll follow you. This. Top marks.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 22, 2017 23:49:29 GMT
i don't think....I have given up the show entirely but we will see, but almost a week on and I feel less interest each day with each new way to make me feel bad, redundant doctors having their say for a few more minutes of notoriety & the worst side of fandom being paraded for the media to sneer at once again I just despair. I did send my 31 doctor who t-shirts to the charity shop yesterday as I just could not wear them anymore and my tardis has dematerialised from the windowsill to the wardrobe. its been a funny week who would have thought it! But by far the worst thing to happen was losing Trevor Baxter! This is not aimed at you, your comment just happens to springboard into this: RANT INCOMING:Am I the only one who is sick and tired, not just in Who fandom but in geekdom period, of fans treating shows and their creators like social workers or surrogate parents? Having a passion is one thing, but if you are actually building a piece of media into an integral part of your life, and when you constantly seek approval or vindication from a show for something you say, do or believe in... clearly you've got priorities badly out of whack. Using a piece of media as an excuse not to deal with your own problems or even just 'think', a type of discount counselling if you will, is not healthy. If it takes a female Doctor to force individuals out there to start getting themselves in order and not rely on senpai Moffat or Chibnall's notices, then at least it's already done something we can all, hopefully, agree is beneficial.
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Post by glutamodo on Jul 23, 2017 2:37:34 GMT
"Media Spin" headlines are pretty much a given with the current "climate" among fandom. Still, I have always tried to form my own views in my own time and on my own terms. Previously, on Doctor Who... I was predisposed to dislike Sylvester's Doctor because I had read about The Sacking Of Colin long before those episodes aired in the States, and was more than a little bit ticked off about it. But I still watched them... and was not really put off by McCoy, but rather the tone of the show, it really just didn't seem to be "My Doctor Who" any more and I gave up midway through Sylvester's run (ironically, that was about the time the show "got good" again, but I didn't watch those until decades later)
Anyhow, I was certainly not uninterested in Colin and Peter's views, and yes, I've heard enough of their friendly banter before to understand the context of those comments weren't perhaps "headline newsworthy". Still, I really do want to form my own opinion of Chibnall and Ms. Who, many months from now, and am striving not to commit too many brain cells to worrying about it...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 2:41:40 GMT
i don't think....I have given up the show entirely but we will see, but almost a week on and I feel less interest each day with each new way to make me feel bad, redundant doctors having their say for a few more minutes of notoriety & the worst side of fandom being paraded for the media to sneer at once again I just despair. I did send my 31 doctor who t-shirts to the charity shop yesterday as I just could not wear them anymore and my tardis has dematerialised from the windowsill to the wardrobe. its been a funny week who would have thought it! But by far the worst thing to happen was losing Trevor Baxter! This is not aimed at you, your comment just happens to springboard into this: RANT INCOMING:Am I the only one who is sick and tired, not just in Who fandom but in geekdom period, of fans treating shows and their creators like social workers or surrogate parents? Having a passion is one thing, but if you are actually building a piece of media into an integral part of your life, and when you constantly seek approval or vindication from a show for something you say, do or believe in... clearly you've got priorities badly out of whack. Using a piece of media as an excuse not to deal with your own problems or even just 'think', a type of discount counselling if you will, is not healthy. If it takes a female Doctor to force individuals out there to start getting themselves in order and not rely on senpai Moffat or Chibnall's notices, then at least it's already done something we can all, hopefully, agree is beneficial. Well, science fiction at it's best is intended to spark ideas, not quash them. That's largely what the genre is about, ever since Shelley made us question whether it was Frankenstein or his monster, Adam, we were supposed to empathise with. Oddly, it also flies in the face of the show's main ethos. The old man and his granddaughter are strangers from another time, another world. It could have ended there, but the series demonstrated we're all strangers to history. The strange Other isn't something to be feared, but questioned. When all is said and done, it's supposed to be fun, but who makes it fun? Think about it. It's us, isn't it? We are the ones who invest in the programme and personally, I am not going to let anyone bully me into not enjoying a series I have adored since childhood. Not the extremists who cannot tolerate another viewpoint, not the media who are taking what scraps they can and blowing them out of proportion. No one has that fundamental power over me unless I wish it. That is what I choose. To those who feel confused by this development, it's okay to be confused. But don't throw away something that can bring joy to your life just because you don't understand how you feel yet, one way or the other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 3:04:54 GMT
Anyhow, I was certainly not uninterested in Colin and Peter's views, and yes, I've heard enough of their friendly banter before to understand the context of those comments weren't perhaps "headline newsworthy". Still, I really do want to form my own opinion of Chibnall and Ms. Who, many months from now, and am striving not to commit too many brain cells to worrying about it... Well, let's not forget that they have friendly banter about how one shot the other and nicked his job. Way back before that even started, Peter pranked Nicola Bryant by winding her up about Colin before he'd properly taken over the role. I think the whole experience is recounted on The Twin Dilemma DVD commentary between Baker, Bryant and Kevin McNally. It's a hilarious listen.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 23, 2017 8:54:56 GMT
Think about it. It's us, isn't it? We are the ones who invest in the programme and personally, I am not going to let anyone bully me into not enjoying a series I have adored since childhood. Not the extremists who cannot tolerate another viewpoint, not the media who are taking what scraps they can and blowing them out of proportion. No one has that fundamental power over me unless I wish it. That is what I choose. To those who feel confused by this development, it's okay to be confused. But don't throw away something that can bring joy to your life just because you don't understand how you feel yet, one way or the other. And I'm not saying they can't. I get it, and Jodie wasn't my choice, but what I'm speaking against is an excessive dependance on the show, or any bit of media, for validation. The people out there who are treating a change in actor like the death of their entire family and equating it thusly are a cause for concern. 'Who' of all shows is about being proactive, affirmative, standing on your own two legs. It is not about unhealthy co-dependance to define who you are as a person. You are a person because of you, not who happens to be on the production team.
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