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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 24, 2017 16:47:01 GMT
Well I just hope you will give her chance. Don't get me wrong I understand having some preconceived notions based on who is cast (whether its a man or woman) but sometimes past roles don't actually tell us about how an actor or actress will portray a character in a new series. And I just realized she is 6 days older than me. Now that does feels a bit weird (but not in a bad way). of course she will get a chance.......I was so wrong about bill.....I am happy to be proved wrong. but I am not sure it will feel like MY doctor who anymore, the whole "Who har" around it has change the way I feel. When a "friend" puts a tampon in my tardis cookie jar and others think its funny to post pictures of dr frankenfurter, you do question you devotion to the program and how this change has opened me up again to "harmless" joking, that feels anything but harmless when its direct at you. So when the sexist and bigot comments are labelled at you for having an opinion, I am not sure I will ever feel the same. something has changed as ridiculous & dramatic as it sounds. nothing will stop me watching it, but it might just stop me loving it so openly. Mate, I'd be calling your "friends" out on their sexism and transphobia, but let me guess, it's just a laugh, innit? You having doubts about it is one thing, the things you've described above are just insulting, and frankly you shouldn't be questioning your love of the show because they did that.
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Post by number13 on Jul 25, 2017 19:50:23 GMT
So then - "mad auntie"?! "mumsy"?! (Crumbs-y!! ) This is Sarah Jane Smith we're talking about, and from 'The Time Warrior' to 'The Hand of Fear' and later in 'The Five Doctors' and 'School Reunion' (and the couple of SJAs I've seen) she never changed at all where it matters - in that spirit of adventure that saw her through so many great stories with five Doctors. I think it was the part where she became a mum that I thought was most mumsy. Having adventures with the neighbor kids seemed kind of mumsy too. Wild guess that after they were done saving the world, she baked everyone a batch of cookies or took them all out for an ice cream. This doesn't mean (in my mind, at least) that she isn't a force to be reckoned with. :-) Fair enough,and I could certainly imagine Sarah enjoying home baking to relax, it would seem right in character. To me, the word seemed to conjure a picture of more conventional domesticity than Sarah's home life with the alien supercomputer in the wall and taking her son and the local Scooby gang off for adventures with (mostly hostile) aliens and meglomaniac types! But, if that's what your mum does, I guess it would seem normal to him and his friends!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 0:31:57 GMT
I think it was the part where she became a mum that I thought was most mumsy. Having adventures with the neighbor kids seemed kind of mumsy too. Wild guess that after they were done saving the world, she baked everyone a batch of cookies or took them all out for an ice cream. This doesn't mean (in my mind, at least) that she isn't a force to be reckoned with. :-) Fair enough,and I could certainly imagine Sarah enjoying home baking to relax, it would seem right in character. To me, the word seemed to conjure a picture of more conventional domesticity than Sarah's home life with the alien supercomputer in the wall and taking her son and the local Scooby gang off for adventures with (mostly hostile) aliens and meglomaniac types! But, if that's what your mum does, I guess it would seem normal to him and his friends! Somehow I can see all of that being downplayed into something that seems almost mundane:
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 26, 2017 10:42:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 10:57:36 GMT
*eyebrow raise* Deluded. Synonyms include cozened, deceived, lead on, framed, gulled and hoaxed. Notable is that the root word for "deluded" is victimised, a definition that can be summed up as "taken advantage of". Yes... Taken advantage of certainly seems appropriate right now.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 26, 2017 11:01:25 GMT
*eyebrow raise* Deluded. Synonyms include cozened, deceived, lead on, framed, gulled and hoaxed. Notable is that the root word for "deluded" is victimised, a definition that can be summed up as "taken advantage of". Yes... Taken advantage of certainly seems appropriate right now. Don't know what dictionary you are looking up but deluded means - make (someone) believe something that is not true. "too many theorists have deluded the public" synonyms: mislead, deceive, fool, take in, trick, dupe, hoodwink, double-cross, gull, beguile, lead on;
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 11:03:41 GMT
*eyebrow raise* Deluded. Synonyms include cozened, deceived, lead on, framed, gulled and hoaxed. Notable is that the root word for "deluded" is victimised, a definition that can be summed up as "taken advantage of". Yes... Taken advantage of certainly seems appropriate right now. Don't know what dictionary you are looking up but deluded means - make (someone) believe something that is not true. "too many theorists have deluded the public" synonyms: mislead, deceive, fool, take in, trick, dupe, hoodwink, double-cross, gull, beguile, lead on; I'm not in the mood to quibble lexicographical semantics. This will be your first and only warning.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 26, 2017 11:05:22 GMT
Don't know what dictionary you are looking up but deluded means - make (someone) believe something that is not true. "too many theorists have deluded the public" synonyms: mislead, deceive, fool, take in, trick, dupe, hoodwink, double-cross, gull, beguile, lead on; I'm not in the mood to quibble lexicographical semantics. This will be your first and only warning. You're the one quibbling!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 11:12:03 GMT
I'm not in the mood to quibble lexicographical semantics. This will be your first and only warning. You're the one quibbling! *shrug* Can't say I didn't warn you.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 26, 2017 11:13:00 GMT
Seriously you're back 5 minutes and already starting. Jesus Christ
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 26, 2017 11:13:28 GMT
Seriously you're back 5 minutes and already starting. Jesus Christ Go away!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 11:13:36 GMT
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 26, 2017 11:15:07 GMT
Seriously you're back 5 minutes and already starting. Jesus Christ Go away! Lol No
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 26, 2017 11:15:24 GMT
Wow! Another personal attack on me!
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Post by bobod on Jul 26, 2017 12:48:02 GMT
Wow! Another personal attack on me! Trump tweet bingo?
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Post by Ela on Jul 26, 2017 16:30:08 GMT
Anyhow, I was certainly not uninterested in Colin and Peter's views, and yes, I've heard enough of their friendly banter before to understand the context of those comments weren't perhaps "headline newsworthy". Still, I really do want to form my own opinion of Chibnall and Ms. Who, many months from now, and am striving not to commit too many brain cells to worrying about it... Well, let's not forget that they have friendly banter about how one shot the other and nicked his job. Way back before that even started, Peter pranked Nicola Bryant by winding her up about Colin before he'd properly taken over the role. I think the whole experience is recounted on The Twin Dilemma DVD commentary between Baker, Bryant and Kevin McNally. It's a hilarious listen. That alone might make it worth it to get that DVD. If you're sure that's where it's from.
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Post by Ela on Jul 26, 2017 16:36:22 GMT
of course she will get a chance.......I was so wrong about bill.....I am happy to be proved wrong. but I am not sure it will feel like MY doctor who anymore, the whole "Who har" around it has change the way I feel. When a "friend" puts a tampon in my tardis cookie jar and others think its funny to post pictures of dr frankenfurter, you do question you devotion to the program and how this change has opened me up again to "harmless" joking, that feels anything but harmless when its direct at you. So when the sexist and bigot comments are labelled at you for having an opinion, I am not sure I will ever feel the same. something has changed as ridiculous & dramatic as it sounds. nothing will stop me watching it, but it might just stop me loving it so openly. Mate, I'd be calling your "friends" out on their sexism and transphobia, but let me guess, it's just a laugh, innit? You having doubts about it is one thing, the things you've described above are just insulting, and frankly you shouldn't be questioning your love of the show because they did that. Very well stated, charlesuirdhein.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 0:23:36 GMT
Well, let's not forget that they have friendly banter about how one shot the other and nicked his job. Way back before that even started, Peter pranked Nicola Bryant by winding her up about Colin before he'd properly taken over the role. I think the whole experience is recounted on The Twin Dilemma DVD commentary between Baker, Bryant and Kevin McNally. It's a hilarious listen. That alone might make it worth it to get that DVD. If you're sure that's where it's from. I'm fairly sure. If nothing else, it's fun to hear both what was going on at the beginning and their take on the story in general. It's really, really interesting and they make it a lot of fun.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 4:37:03 GMT
I'm more then fine with it. It's a great move that empowers little girls and it's been established in TV canon.
That said, this is going to be hell for Jodie Whithaker. The press are going to be awful and the misgonistic manchildren of fandom aren't going to let this pass easily. I'm not simplifying the issue that everyone who is agasint the move is misgonistic, there are good solid reasons in our Western society raises our boys for why some fans feel The Doctor should remain a man and I respect that, if I don't agree with it.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 27, 2017 7:12:31 GMT
I was just happy to log on to the Beeb at lunchtime and Colin Baker was on the main page I've made my feelings clear, but I'm glad the show is causing such debate and maintaining relevance. But perhaps at the expense of long term ratings & viewers. its good to see how passionate people are but I still maintain that most of the pro's don't have doctor who on sky+, series link, etc or watch regular. upset the old guard, nothing for the new blood (cause what 8-14 is going to want to watch their mum) and you are left with a weaker audience and a show that might just have jumped the shark for headlines & politics. for me, and this is just me. i feel that this has diminished the show, not the casting (I think I can live with that) but all the stuff and nonsense that has gone with it. I cannot bring myself to listen to BF, I have not checked the website for days, my lastest issue of DWM remains unread & it all feels tainted. its all become about gender politics, I am labelled sexist to shut down discussion even on here the bastion of rational thinking the same thing has been used, in fact I feel a bit embarrassed to be a doctor who fan now, actually I don't feel like I am one anymore. i don't think....I have given up the show entirely but we will see, but almost a week on and I feel less interest each day with each new way to make me feel bad, redundant doctors having their say for a few more minutes of notoriety & the worst side of fandom being paraded for the media to sneer at once again I just despair. I did send my 31 doctor who t-shirts to the charity shop yesterday as I just could not wear them anymore and my tardis has dematerialised from the windowsill to the wardrobe. its been a funny week who would have thought it! But by far the worst thing to happen was losing Trevor Baxter! What my good friend muckypup says above & says it brilliantly you reached into my mind & explained my exact thoughts.
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