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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 28, 2017 7:18:20 GMT
The casting of a woman is a big mistake, irrelevent what actress they picked! Fans are arguing amongst themselves, whilst Steven Moffat lives in cloud cuckoo land denying there is a backlash! I know fans how will not watch series 11. Doctor Who may have just died! Welcome back Paul you've been missed, we had a nation wide search looking for you i thought you'd been kidnapped by Gallifrey Base. Anyway glad your back mate.
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Post by bobod on Jul 28, 2017 9:18:44 GMT
I'm suddenly remembering the Monk searching for the Doctor in Egypt...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 9:53:03 GMT
You're probably right, but I think the divisiveness of this era has been more obvious due to certain things people REALLY disagree with. Such as Clara, River Song (mainly during Matt Smith), Missy and the Time-Lords not dying. Keep in mind, I'm a man writing this. I think Clara suffered a bit from fandom being overanalytical. In season seven, she's clearly meant to be a strong role model smart, determined and completly unabashed about it, while being empathetic and loyal and a foil to Amy - not being afraid to challenge or keep up with The Doctor. And while I understand people wanted more development in her character, it was an anniversary year with a reduced number of episodes. I'm not saying compliants weren't valid - although, I do kind of argue with that we didn't. What is Clara meant to be -eighteen? Nineteen? She's about to see the world, she's clearly going to set that stuff out later. The Day of The Doctor, given the settled dynamic, is clearly set quite sometime after The Name of The Doctor, so I'm fine with it. Clara saw the world and time and space and decided on what she wants out of life. Moffat for season eight did kind of overhaul the character in response to fan criticism (and I kind of wish he held back, to be honest) - making her more flawed (lying to Danny and The Doctor, insulting Blue), he went too far and for me the character was unreconcisable. I don't hate the Clara of series eight and nine (I actually love how the show handles the transition into adult life and relationships) and she doesn't exactly bug me the way other fans do, but it wasn't a seamless transition by any means. The edges were coming and I just wish fandom had been more patient and understanding about it. When I said, divisive what I meant was that it divided opinion and that some people really hated certain some things. Clara was an example.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 10:43:15 GMT
Moffat for season eight did kind of overhaul the character in response to fan criticism (and I kind of wish he held back, to be honest) - making her more flawed (lying to Danny and The Doctor, insulting Blue), he went too far and for me the character was unreconcisable. I don't hate the Clara of series eight and nine (I actually love how the show handles the transition into adult life and relationships) and she doesn't exactly bug me the way other fans do, but it wasn't a seamless transition by any means. The edges were coming and I just wish fandom had been more patient and understanding about it. I think the problems with Clara can be easily solved in a single flick of the narrative wrist. Why is Adric the way he is? Because he feels displaced and is depressed by how he doesn't feel like he fits in anymore. Why is Clara the way she is? I think she has some very deeply set trust issues. It'd be a very interesting way to take the character for reappearances. Not untrustworthy, but untrusting. That way, the great tragedy of her arc is that she finally puts her faith in someone and pays for it with her life.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 28, 2017 11:23:14 GMT
Moffat for season eight did kind of overhaul the character in response to fan criticism (and I kind of wish he held back, to be honest) - making her more flawed (lying to Danny and The Doctor, insulting Blue), he went too far and for me the character was unreconcisable. I don't hate the Clara of series eight and nine (I actually love how the show handles the transition into adult life and relationships) and she doesn't exactly bug me the way other fans do, but it wasn't a seamless transition by any means. The edges were coming and I just wish fandom had been more patient and understanding about it. I think the problems with Clara can be easily solved in a single flick of the narrative wrist. Why is Adric the way he is? Because he feels displaced and is depressed by how he doesn't feel like he fits in anymore. Why is Clara the way she is? I think she has some very deeply set trust issues. It'd be a very interesting way to take the character for reappearances. Not untrustworthy, but untrusting. That way, the great tragedy of her arc is that she finally puts her faith in someone and pays for it with her life. But it didn't. She was made virtually immortal and given her own TARDIS.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 28, 2017 14:25:46 GMT
I think the problems with Clara can be easily solved in a single flick of the narrative wrist. Why is Adric the way he is? Because he feels displaced and is depressed by how he doesn't feel like he fits in anymore. Why is Clara the way she is? I think she has some very deeply set trust issues. It'd be a very interesting way to take the character for reappearances. Not untrustworthy, but untrusting. That way, the great tragedy of her arc is that she finally puts her faith in someone and pays for it with her life. But it didn't. She was made virtually immortal and given her own TARDIS. I'm also of the opinion that Edam isn't nearly as well known or famous as it should be. Do we think some sort of petition should be set up whereby Edam is recognised for the globally fabulous cheese that it is? Nothing crazy now, maybe something to impress upon the governments of the world.
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Post by theotherjosh on Jul 28, 2017 14:43:08 GMT
But it didn't. She was made virtually immortal and given her own TARDIS. I'm also of the opinion that Edam isn't nearly as well known or famous as it should be. Do we think some sort of petition should be set up whereby Edam is recognised for the globally fabulous cheese that it is? Nothing crazy now, maybe something to impress upon the governments of the world. When she was younger, my daughter asked me to take a picture of her scowling and holding a wheel of Edam cheese with her thumb over the "E" in "Edam". She put it on Facebook with the caption "Keep your hands off my -dam cheese." I agree. I think it's definitely underrated.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 28, 2017 15:27:49 GMT
I'm also of the opinion that Edam isn't nearly as well known or famous as it should be. Do we think some sort of petition should be set up whereby Edam is recognised for the globally fabulous cheese that it is? Nothing crazy now, maybe something to impress upon the governments of the world. When she was younger, my daughter asked me to take a picture of her scowling and holding a wheel of Edam cheese with her thumb over the "E" in "Edam". She put it on Facebook with the caption "Keep your hands off my -dam cheese." I agree. I think it's definitely underrated. Exactly! That's what I'm talking about
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Post by mrperson on Jul 28, 2017 21:15:45 GMT
Snark aside, Paul's right on Clara. All she has to do is avoid getting vaporized and she'll live for as long as she pleases, but in a young body. She just has to make it back to her point of death.
Yes, she misses out on certain parts of humanity (ability to have children, "normal" life), but she also gains things most humans don't: a TARDIS. Right, and another immortal traveling companion.
Hard to see that as a tragic ending, anymore than Bill being rescued by Magical Space Girl and being able to choose when to have her body reconstituted is tragic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 0:00:28 GMT
Snark aside, Paul's right on Clara. All she has to do is avoid getting vaporized and she'll live for as long as she pleases, but in a young body. She just has to make it back to her point of death. Yes, she misses out on certain parts of humanity (ability to have children, "normal" life), but she also gains things most humans don't: a TARDIS. Right, and another immortal traveling companion. Hard to see that as a tragic ending, anymore than Bill being rescued by Magical Space Girl and being able to choose when to have her body reconstituted is tragic. Would you believe me if I said that I'd actually blotted Hell Bent from my brain until it was mentioned again? Because I think I blotted Hell Bent from my brain until it was mentioned again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 0:04:51 GMT
When she was younger, my daughter asked me to take a picture of her scowling and holding a wheel of Edam cheese with her thumb over the "E" in "Edam". She put it on Facebook with the caption "Keep your hands off my -dam cheese." I agree. I think it's definitely underrated. Exactly! That's what I'm talking about I need to go and buy some Edam cheese, I'll be right back-- *cape swoosh*
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 29, 2017 0:09:47 GMT
Would you believe me if I said that I'd actually blotted Hell Bent from my brain until it was mentioned again? Because I think I blotted Hell Bent from my brain until it was mentioned again. Must be going around - I can't seem to remember what happened to Clara either except that it was way too complicated and drawn out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 0:14:32 GMT
Would you believe me if I said that I'd actually blotted Hell Bent from my brain until it was mentioned again? Because I think I blotted Hell Bent from my brain until it was mentioned again. Must be going around - I can't seem to remember what happened to Clara either except that it was way too complicated and drawn out. Oh, good, I'm glad I'm not alone there.
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