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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 27, 2017 7:26:50 GMT
Mayybe its my bipolar, maybe it's because I'm a grumpy ole sod but i have told these fans who preach nonsense to me when they tell me I'm not a true fan or I'd except change i tell them to f..k off, not because there opinion differs from mine but because i ain't sexist & i "AM" a true fan (30 mile journeys in the 90's to get latest NA,MA novels) but this casting of a female Doctor has certainly diminished my love for the show as i feel it's the wrong direction to take the show & nearly 2 weeks on i feel numb towards Doctor Who & I've even broke down in tears with despair (my mental health is affecting my moods) as i know on Christmas Day 2017 I'll never feel the love i once felt for the show & when i hear the name Doctor Who' now i cringe embarrassed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 8:31:10 GMT
Mayybe its my bipolar, maybe it's because I'm a grumpy ole sod but i have told these fans who preach nonsense to me when they tell me I'm not a true fan or I'd except change i tell them to f..k off, not because there opinion differs from mine but because i ain't sexist & i "AM" a true fan (30 mile journeys in the 90's to get latest NA,MA novels) but this casting of a female Doctor has certainly diminished my love for the show as i feel it's the wrong direction to take the show & nearly 2 weeks on i feel numb towards Doctor Who & I've even broke down in tears with despair (my mental health is affecting my moods) as i know on Christmas Day 2017 I'll never feel the love i once felt for the show & when i hear the name Doctor Who' now i cringe embarrassed. I say give it the benefit of the doubt. Opt for the wait-and-see approach. If the first series isn't up to scratch, you can rest easy in the knowledge that you were right and be content in that. If it's actually any good, then you get to enjoy the show and rest easy with that. It's a win-win situation either way, right? Think of all those NAs and MAs you'd have missed out on if Sylvester -- who was unfortunately dealt a very poor first impression with Time and the Rani -- had been ignored. Give it a shot, you can't lose.
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Post by muckypup on Jul 27, 2017 9:35:04 GMT
Mayybe its my bipolar, maybe it's because I'm a grumpy ole sod but i have told these fans who preach nonsense to me when they tell me I'm not a true fan or I'd except change i tell them to f..k off, not because there opinion differs from mine but because i ain't sexist & i "AM" a true fan (30 mile journeys in the 90's to get latest NA,MA novels) but this casting of a female Doctor has certainly diminished my love for the show as i feel it's the wrong direction to take the show & nearly 2 weeks on i feel numb towards Doctor Who & I've even broke down in tears with despair (my mental health is affecting my moods) as i know on Christmas Day 2017 I'll never feel the love i once felt for the show & when i hear the name Doctor Who' now i cringe embarrassed. Its neither of those things buddy, it's the finger pointing and sneering at your point of view that diminishes your feelings. and I know it's well meant but the constant give it a chance doesn't help how you feel. pulling back is exactly the right way to go, but don't let it spoil its past glories, give it a rest for sure but you will come back to it once it's all settled down even if you don't carry on with the new stuff. my only advice is distract yourself with some thing else, re-watch old movies, re-read old books & comics and play games that don't require too much online interaction. Why not not join me in the Star Wars universe, there is a shed load of content both old and new.....clone wars is defiantly worth a re watch! & the new comics are excellent. Stay lurking on here, cause everyone's mostly good people, but don't get involved in arguments and discussions beyond making your point, you don't need to justify your points. stay safe buddy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 10:08:12 GMT
Mayybe its my bipolar, maybe it's because I'm a grumpy ole sod but i have told these fans who preach nonsense to me when they tell me I'm not a true fan or I'd except change i tell them to f..k off, not because there opinion differs from mine but because i ain't sexist & i "AM" a true fan (30 mile journeys in the 90's to get latest NA,MA novels) but this casting of a female Doctor has certainly diminished my love for the show as i feel it's the wrong direction to take the show & nearly 2 weeks on i feel numb towards Doctor Who & I've even broke down in tears with despair (my mental health is affecting my moods) as i know on Christmas Day 2017 I'll never feel the love i once felt for the show & when i hear the name Doctor Who' now i cringe embarrassed. Its neither of those things buddy, it's the finger pointing and sneering at your point of view that diminishes your feelings. and I know it's well meant but the constant give it a chance doesn't help how you feel. pulling back is exactly the right way to go, but don't let it spoil its past glories, give it a rest for sure but you will come back to it once it's all settled down even if you don't carry on with the new stuff. my only advice is distract yourself with some thing else, re-watch old movies, re-read old books & comics and play games that don't require too much online interaction. Why not not join me in the Star Wars universe, there is a shed load of content both old and new.....clone wars is defiantly worth a re watch! & the new comics are excellent. Ooh, yeah. Irrespective of whether this new series meets or defies expectations, I can definitely recommend The Clone Wars. Everything from Season 2 onwards, it even manages to have the old twenty-five-minute serials that classic Who did and make it work.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 27, 2017 10:18:20 GMT
The casting of a woman is a big mistake, irrelevent what actress they picked! Fans are arguing amongst themselves, whilst Steven Moffat lives in cloud cuckoo land denying there is a backlash! I know fans how will not watch series 11. Doctor Who may have just died!
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Post by sherlock on Jul 27, 2017 10:29:31 GMT
The casting of a woman is a big mistake, irrelevent what actress they picked! Fans are arguing amongst themselves, whilst Steven Moffat lives in cloud cuckoo land denying there is a backlash! I know fans how will not watch series 11. Doctor Who may have just died! Fans will always argue, it's nothing new. Showrunners shouldn't be afraid to take risks on the grounds of causing fans to argue. From my end I've seen different. Two friends of mine who I've never seen even mention Doctor Who before actually discussed the casting, and were positive. Looking down the Doctor Who hashtags on twitter on the day of and after the announcement seemed positive too. Doctor Who was hitting the front pages to an extent unseen since the 50th. Doctor Who may live!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 10:42:44 GMT
The casting of a woman is a big mistake, irrelevent what actress they picked! Fans are arguing amongst themselves, whilst Steven Moffat lives in cloud cuckoo land denying there is a backlash! I know fans how will not watch series 11. Doctor Who may have just died! I wouldn't say it is neccessarily irrelevent what actress they picked. I think a Frances de la Tour/Miriam Margoyles-style actress could be very successful - a true eccentric able to bring genuine quirkiness to the role. I'm not sure Jodie is that kind of actress, and I'm not sure that quirkiness is what they're looking for anyway. Also, I think it is unfair to say Steven Moffat lives in cloud cuckoo land - the casting decision has not been his, and of course he's going to be positive about a show which, up until Christmas at least, is still 'on his watch.' Notice he pointed out perceived fan positivity to avoid answering what he himself thought of the casting. And let's face it, fans are always arguing with themselves, and have done ever since the heady days when 'The Deadly Assassin' was voted the dud of the year back in 1976. What further turns me away from the new show - although I'm adopting a 'wait and see' attitude - is the continual political point-scoring that has come of it. The deliberately inaccurate reporting of events (Peter Davison's comments being taken out of context just to create a story and enrage those who love being enraged, for example) that push a strange and silly sci-fi show into the forefront of a 'gender empowerment' argument that should not be the focus of Doctor Who. I mean, men and women have existed for as long as time - who cares? Doctor Who is about travelling the universe in a battered old box running away from monsters - the current dalliances of the media should have nothing to do with it!
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 27, 2017 10:49:17 GMT
The casting of a woman is a big mistake, irrelevent what actress they picked! Fans are arguing amongst themselves, whilst Steven Moffat lives in cloud cuckoo land denying there is a backlash! I know fans how will not watch series 11. Doctor Who may have just died! Also, I think it is unfair to say Steven Moffat lives in cloud cuckoo land - the casting decision has not been his, and of course he's going to be positive about a show which, up until Christmas at least, is still 'on his watch.' Notice he pointed out perceived fan positivity to avoid answering what he himself thought of the casting. I never said anything about Moffat being involved with the casting. It's clear that Moffat hasn't been on forums and website to read about the backlash. There's one on this website!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 10:56:27 GMT
Well, I'm certainly optimistic. Cancelling the show in 1989 didn't destroy it, nor did having an attempted American revival in the mid-nineties. If anything, fandom took off in a way that it really hadn't up until then. NuWho wouldn't be quite the same if Paul Cornell hadn't published Human Nature and RTD hadn't read it and thought: "Now, this has possibilities... I wonder if we could do this on television nowadays..."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 10:56:49 GMT
Also, I think it is unfair to say Steven Moffat lives in cloud cuckoo land - the casting decision has not been his, and of course he's going to be positive about a show which, up until Christmas at least, is still 'on his watch.' Notice he pointed out perceived fan positivity to avoid answering what he himself thought of the casting. I never said anything about Moffat being involved with the casting. It's clear that Moffat hasn't been on forums and website to read about the backlash. There's one on this website! I didn't say you made any comment about Moffat being involved with the casting. We both know he isn't. And yet you still had a swipe at him - because that is what you always do - which I discussed in my post.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 27, 2017 10:59:32 GMT
I never said anything about Moffat being involved with the casting. It's clear that Moffat hasn't been on forums and website to read about the backlash. There's one on this website! I didn't say you made any comment about Moffat being involved with the casting. We both know he isn't. And yet you still had a swipe at him - because that is what you always do - which I discussed in my post. Moffat make a statement saying there was no backlash because of the casting, when there clearly is!
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 27, 2017 11:07:58 GMT
Hulk Like Raging Fire
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Post by number13 on Jul 27, 2017 11:09:51 GMT
The casting of a woman is a big mistake, irrelevent what actress they picked! Fans are arguing amongst themselves, whilst Steven Moffat lives in cloud cuckoo land denying there is a backlash! I know fans how will not watch series 11. Doctor Who may have just died! Fans will always argue, it's nothing new. Showrunners shouldn't be afraid to take risks on the grounds of causing fans to argue. From my end I've seen different. Two friends of mine who I've never seen even mention Doctor Who before actually discussed the casting, and were positive. Looking down the Doctor Who hashtags on twitter on the day of and after the announcement seemed positive too. Doctor Who was hitting the front pages to an extent unseen since the 50th. Doctor Who may live! I think that last line is important enough to deserve the Eldrad treatment: "Doctor Who MUST LIVE!"
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 27, 2017 11:10:19 GMT
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 27, 2017 11:14:15 GMT
It wasn't even directed at you
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Post by omega on Jul 27, 2017 11:14:27 GMT
Well, let's not forget that they have friendly banter about how one shot the other and nicked his job. Way back before that even started, Peter pranked Nicola Bryant by winding her up about Colin before he'd properly taken over the role. I think the whole experience is recounted on The Twin Dilemma DVD commentary between Baker, Bryant and Kevin McNally. It's a hilarious listen. That alone might make it worth it to get that DVD. If you're sure that's where it's from. I've heard an anecdote from Anneke somewhere that on the set of Power of the Daleks she and Michael Craze wore shirts that said "Please come back Bill". It was meant in jest, but poor Patrick Troughton didn't see the funny side.
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Post by omega on Jul 27, 2017 11:14:59 GMT
Thor like smouldering fire.
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Post by omega on Jul 27, 2017 11:18:12 GMT
I didn't say you made any comment about Moffat being involved with the casting. We both know he isn't. And yet you still had a swipe at him - because that is what you always do - which I discussed in my post. Moffat make a statement saying there was no backlash because of the casting, when there clearly is! The fact you have submitted has been accepted and understood. Unless you have anything of value to the discussion to add there is no reason to continue this line of discussion.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 27, 2017 11:35:32 GMT
Moffat make a statement saying there was no backlash because of the casting, when there clearly is! The fact you have submitted has been accepted and understood. Unless you have anything of value to the discussion to add there is no reason to continue this line of discussion. Are you acknowledging there is a backlash?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 11:45:01 GMT
Fans will always argue, it's nothing new. Showrunners shouldn't be afraid to take risks on the grounds of causing fans to argue. From my end I've seen different. Two friends of mine who I've never seen even mention Doctor Who before actually discussed the casting, and were positive. Looking down the Doctor Who hashtags on twitter on the day of and after the announcement seemed positive too. Doctor Who was hitting the front pages to an extent unseen since the 50th. Doctor Who may live! I think that last line is important enough to deserve the Eldrad treatment: "Doctor Who MUST LIVE!"
Glorious.
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