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Post by omega on Jul 27, 2017 11:49:30 GMT
The fact you have submitted has been accepted and understood. Unless you have anything of value to the discussion to add there is no reason to continue this line of discussion. Are you acknowledging there is a backlash? I am acknowledging that there has been extreme negative reaction to the casting of the Thirteenth Doctor. How much of it is people who are opposed to a female Doctor on general principle, those who don't like the casting but not because of the gender factor, people who just want something to be indignant about or how much is the media stirring things up to get page clicks is difficult to determine. It's entirely plausible all of these factors are in play in this reaction. Remember how fangirls declared the show ruined because an older man was cast?
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 27, 2017 11:51:10 GMT
Are you acknowledging there is a backlash? Remember how fangirls declared the show ruined because an older man was cast? Ratings have dropped!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 13:20:31 GMT
Ratings have dropped, there is resistence to the new Doctor (as there always is with any new Doctor). paulmorris7777 wins. Next!
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 27, 2017 16:02:37 GMT
Ratings have dropped, there is resistence to the new Doctor (as there always is with any new Doctor). paulmorris7777 wins. Next! Nothing to do with the new Doctor! Series 10 had some of the lowest, ever ratings!
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 27, 2017 16:17:32 GMT
Sorry Paz, did you just say something?
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Post by relativetime on Jul 27, 2017 19:34:48 GMT
Ratings have dropped, there is resistence to the new Doctor (as there always is with any new Doctor). paulmorris7777 wins. Next! Nothing to do with the new Doctor! Series 10 had some of the lowest, ever ratings! I find it amusing how people are still screaming about the ratings amongst just a fraction of the show's overall audience. Doctor Who's reaching millions of more people across the world than it ever has before. Doctor Who is one of the BBC's most profitable global property and I doubt Series 10 has done much to change that.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 27, 2017 20:19:28 GMT
Nothing to do with the new Doctor! Series 10 had some of the lowest, ever ratings! I find it amusing how people are still screaming about the ratings amongst just a fraction of the show's overall audience. Doctor Who's reaching millions of more people across the world than it ever has before. Doctor Who is one of the BBC's most profitable global property and I doubt Series 10 has done much to change that. Classic Who in the 80's was the BBCs most profitable global property and it still got cancelled. There was a BBC series called The Crimson Field, it was part of the BBCs remembrance of The First World War. (We were supposed to get dramas set between July 1914 and Nov 1918, and screened between 2014 and 2018, that didn't happen). Its ratings weren't bad - first episode 7.83m, last episode (6) 6.33m. It was critically acclaimed. It was cancelled! So good ratings aren't a guarantee! The last UK episode of series 10 was watched by a million fewer than the last episode of series 9! If series 11 is lower, should it be renewed?
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Post by mark687 on Jul 27, 2017 20:31:31 GMT
I find it amusing how people are still screaming about the ratings amongst just a fraction of the show's overall audience. Doctor Who's reaching millions of more people across the world than it ever has before. Doctor Who is one of the BBC's most profitable global property and I doubt Series 10 has done much to change that. Classic Who in the 80's was the BBCs most profitable global property and it still got cancelled. There was a BBC series called The Crimson Field, it was part of the BBCs remembrance of The First World War. (We were supposed to get dramas set between July 1914 and Nov 1918, and screened between 2014 and 2018, that didn't happen). Its ratings weren't bad - first episode 7.83m, last episode (6) 6.33m. It was critically acclaimed. It was cancelled! So good ratings aren't a guarantee! The last UK episode of series 10 was watched by a million fewer than the last episode of series 9! If series 11 is lower, should it be renewed? It makes a shed load of money for them though and nobody in the BBC's current top brass personally hates it or its Production Team this time, as long those things are in play I'd say it was safe for another couple of years at least.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 27, 2017 20:37:08 GMT
Classic Who in the 80's was the BBCs most profitable global property and it still got cancelled. There was a BBC series called The Crimson Field, it was part of the BBCs remembrance of The First World War. (We were supposed to get dramas set between July 1914 and Nov 1918, and screened between 2014 and 2018, that didn't happen). Its ratings weren't bad - first episode 7.83m, last episode (6) 6.33m. It was critically acclaimed. It was cancelled! So good ratings aren't a guarantee! The last UK episode of series 10 was watched by a million fewer than the last episode of series 9! If series 11 is lower, should it be renewed? It makes a shed load of money for them though and nobody in the BBC's current top brass personally hates it or its Production Team .
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We'll have to wait and see what Whittaker and Chibnall do with the show. It could all back fire, and heads would roll!
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Post by mark687 on Jul 27, 2017 20:47:35 GMT
It makes a shed load of money for them though and nobody in the BBC's current top brass personally hates it or its Production Team .
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We'll have to wait and see what Whittaker and Chibnall do with the show. It could all back fire, and heads would roll! I don't think it'll loose viewers in droves it may regain viewers that left during the Capaldi Era to replace them.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 27, 2017 21:00:47 GMT
We'll have to wait and see what Whittaker and Chibnall do with the show. It could all back fire, and heads would roll! I don't think it'll loose viewers in droves it may regain viewers that left during the Capaldi Era to replace them.
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The show will be fine. It's about to do what it always does, re-invent itself with a new Doctor and a new production team. I'm sure the press of a female Doctor will drive initial viewership numbers up. By the time episode 3 or 4 is transmitted we will have a much better idea of what this version of the show is going to be and people with open minds will decide if this Doctor is for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 21:41:24 GMT
To be honest, you're all speculating. We don't know what's going to happen. But they're planning on broadcasting Series 11 in autumn 2018, which might be bad because people may have forgotten about Whittaker. However, I somewhat expect there will be an Easter special due to production beginning in September, October or November.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 27, 2017 21:44:29 GMT
To be honest, you're all speculating. We don't know what's going to happen. But they're planning on broadcasting Series 11 in autumn 2018, which might be bad because people may have forgotten about Whittaker. However, I somewhat expect there will be an Easter special due to production beginning in September, October or November. And we're the ones speculating?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 21:55:48 GMT
Yeah, an Easter special when there's a full series just a few months down the line from that? That's about as speculative as it gets. I'd say there's little chance of that happening. Christmas, then new series in August/September is the safe bet.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 27, 2017 22:00:53 GMT
this casting of a female Doctor has certainly diminished my love for the show as i feel it's the wrong direction to take the show // when i hear the name Doctor Who' now i cringe embarrassed. You certainly don't need to feel embarrassed if it's someone else's mistake, and don't forget you're perfectly entitled to change or omit a line, a story, a season, or entire Doctors from your canon if you don't think they represent The Doctor (or anyone or anything else) properly. (FWIW, the jury is still working on a verdict, but I may just never believe that the First Doctor ever bashed anyone over the head with a rock, nor that any of the events depicted in Kill the Moon ever happened). I still could have about bagged the TV series over a few things that happened this last season even after as much as I enjoyed watching, but after rolling my eyes and groaning (as often with the NS), I try to just move on to the next thing they did right and there are quite a few of those too. Whatever silly thing happens with the show, though, the silly people responsible don't deserve to get away with tarnishing anyone's long-standing affection for past seasons of the show, or of raining on the enthusiasm of any Big Finish fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 22:04:20 GMT
I don't think it'll loose viewers in droves it may regain viewers that left during the Capaldi Era to replace them.
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The show will be fine. It's about to do what it always does, re-invent itself with a new Doctor and a new production team. I'm sure the press of a female Doctor will drive initial viewership numbers up. By the time episode 3 or 4 is transmitted we will have a much better idea of what this version of the show is going to be and people with open minds will decide if this Doctor is for them. And that's not to say that the close-minded who utterly loathe the idea won't (I believe the expression is) hate-watch it as well, just to have something to complain about. *pats hand* So it's covered however the chips fall. The open-minded and close minded will likely both take a stab at it.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 27, 2017 22:19:29 GMT
The show will be fine. It's about to do what it always does, re-invent itself with a new Doctor and a new production team. I'm sure the press of a female Doctor will drive initial viewership numbers up. By the time episode 3 or 4 is transmitted we will have a much better idea of what this version of the show is going to be and people with open minds will decide if this Doctor is for them. And that's not to say that the close-minded who utterly loathe the idea won't (I believe the expression is) hate-watch it as well, just to have something to complain about. *pats hand* So it's covered however the chips fall. The open-minded and close minded will likely both take a stab at it. Hate-watchers. Thanks. A term I have never come across before. Certainly sums up at least one or two people I run into every now and then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 22:21:37 GMT
The show will be fine. It's about to do what it always does, re-invent itself with a new Doctor and a new production team. I'm sure the press of a female Doctor will drive initial viewership numbers up. By the time episode 3 or 4 is transmitted we will have a much better idea of what this version of the show is going to be and people with open minds will decide if this Doctor is for them. And that's not to say that the close-minded who utterly loathe the idea won't (I believe the expression is) hate-watch it as well, just to have something to complain about. *pats hand* So it's covered however the chips fall. The open-minded and close minded will likely both take a stab at it. While I absolutely agree, I think that has always been the case. Those who hated RTD wouldn't miss an episode and deny themselves a really meaty opportunity to lay the boot in anything they didn't recognise as 'their' Doctor Who. Steven Moffat has really taken some flak from those rushing to the forums the second an episode has ended to benefit everyone with their '1 out of 10' scores. Jodie and Chris - welcome to Doctor Who! (I believe this is what Mark Gatiss meant when he considered the role as showrunner for Who to be a 'poisoned chalice'.)
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 27, 2017 22:46:03 GMT
While I absolutely agree, I think that has always been the case. Those who hated RTD wouldn't miss an episode and deny themselves a really meaty opportunity to lay the boot in anything they didn't recognise as 'their' Doctor Who. Steven Moffat has really taken some flak from those rushing to the forums the second an episode has ended to benefit everyone with their '1 out of 10' scores. If they bother to even watch the episode in question before logging on to trash it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 23:10:42 GMT
And that's not to say that the close-minded who utterly loathe the idea won't (I believe the expression is) hate-watch it as well, just to have something to complain about. *pats hand* So it's covered however the chips fall. The open-minded and close minded will likely both take a stab at it. While I absolutely agree, I think that has always been the case. Those who hated RTD wouldn't miss an episode and deny themselves a really meaty opportunity to lay the boot in anything they didn't recognise as 'their' Doctor Who. Steven Moffat has really taken some flak from those rushing to the forums the second an episode has ended to benefit everyone with their '1 out of 10' scores. Jodie and Chris - welcome to Doctor Who! (I believe this is what Mark Gatiss meant when he considered the role as showrunner for Who to be a 'poisoned chalice'.) Oh, absolutely, even Holmes and Hinchcliffe got flak for their depiction of things like the Time Lords. Considering its classic status, it's weird for The Deadly Assassin to have once been considered -- in some circles, at least -- to be a very poor story as Gallifreyan society was now portrayed as being rather grubby and corrupt. While I absolutely agree, I think that has always been the case. Those who hated RTD wouldn't miss an episode and deny themselves a really meaty opportunity to lay the boot in anything they didn't recognise as 'their' Doctor Who. Steven Moffat has really taken some flak from those rushing to the forums the second an episode has ended to benefit everyone with their '1 out of 10' scores. If they bother to even watch the episode in question before logging on to trash it. Well, reviews -- even unflattering ones -- are very hard to do unless one has seen the episode. People tend to enjoy substance with their critiques and when the review is simply just "it's bad because I said so", it tends to go unnoticed. The majority of readers, listeners and viewers will always want to know why. Why is it good? Why is it bad? Why should we take notice of whether it's good or bad? That sort of thing.
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