Doctor Who and LGBTQ Views Fanbase&Community

Because I think the  only way to stop social divisions is if we ignore them. People don't need to come out as gay because nobody should care, just the same as a straight person. The only way to stop inequality is to stop thinking of people as different, which means to just stop talking about it.

Ahhh... I can see where your line of thought is coming from, but it's actually the other way around. People talk and talk and talk about it until it becomes something mundane and therefore accepted. By not talking about it, you get situations where "We don't talk about the War," and people don't know how to handle it because they weren't exposed to it.

Ah.  I see where you're coming from.  You're actually entirely wrong about this but I want to believe a well intentioned wrong.  Fair enough.  

I could say the same about you on this, though.

Well, think about it... Does decriminalising something change a person's mind? Instantly, in a flash. All that prejudice has melted away with the passing of a bill. *shakes head* Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. The stigma towards these people is still there. It's slowly crumbling away because of changes in societal norms, but there is still a push back and I'm not talking about Third World countries either, I'm talking about First World nations. Places that should know better. It's not all that long ago that the AIDS crisis turned being gay into a literal hell because of misinformation or deliberate ignorance.

Now that they're allowed by society to more openly display their sexuality in a way that won't get them hung or skinned alive, they celebrate it. In the same way that a group of Grecians in Canada can all dance to "Zorba". It's a demonstration of personal freedom for a sect of society that are known to be sneered, jeered or just outright ignored like they aren't human beings. And honestly, with my own sister falling under the B in the LGBTQ, I can safely say that matters to us. If no one else will, the families care.

In other news I really enjoyed this week's episode. Maybe it would've been nicer to actually take a look at the contribution to the show that LGBTQ people have made over the years in further fetail, but sod it- it's the fan show and it can be about fans if it wants to 😁.

P.S. I think Christel has got a lot better at hosting the show since the start of series 10. She never really convinced me as a confident presenter at the start of her run but at this point she's basically a natural.

To kick this discussion a little further down the road, here is a excellent interview with Christel Dee from Blogtor Who.

Actually, the chap in the video raises an interesting question. Do we believe that each incarnation of the Doctor has the same sexuality or does it alter?

I'm inclined to believe that the classic series Doctors are differing asexual categories (the First and Third Doctors being aromantic, the Second Doctor possibly being biromantic, etc.), but Eight is very much when it starts to become a prominent part of his "love of life" personality. There are a lot of little examples scattered around all over the place. The audios tended to keep him closer to his predecessors, but his friendship with Grace and later/earlier with Fitz in the novels certainly has its moments.

Exactly. Don't get me wrong @budnp2013 , I'd really like it if everyone engaged with everyone else on equal footing, irrespective of class, colour, creed or belief, but the human race doesn't learn to accept something by ignoring it. I wish we did, but it's just not how we as a species work on a societal level.

It's why I brought up the War idea, I had a conversation with someone two days ago who'd lived through the Second World War -- my grandmother. She said that the only other people who understood her father when he came back were other soldiers. Why? People didn't want to know. Ignoring it didn't do him or any of the others like him any favours as it meant no one understood. No one even tried to understand. It was only when in the eighties that people started talking openly about combat shock and outreach programmes for soldiers.

Mental health as it's become is only something like thirty or forty years old because for it wasn't proper to discuss the mental troubles of people. It's the same thing here with LGBTQ+ representation. Every once in a while, there needs to be a nudge to make people genuinely think about these topics. To expose, engage and educate to the point that it develops and becomes accepted. An idea kept to oneself isn't an idea that catches on and a move towards any kind of equality whether it's racial, gendered, ethnic, cultural or even psychological requires discussion. Just like this. Here, now.