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Post by mrperson on Aug 3, 2017 22:12:46 GMT
I'd like you to be right...ok, I'd prefer if they animated "The Highlanders" or "Evil of the Daleks", but I can dream too! Well, my fingers are crossed that the sales were sufficient to make it worthwhile for them to keep doing it. I suppose that animated episodes of early episodes within the classic series is a niche within a niche within a niche. Hope I'm wrong about that.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Aug 3, 2017 23:09:15 GMT
I'd like you to be right...ok, I'd prefer if they animated "The Highlanders" or "Evil of the Daleks", but I can dream too! Well, my fingers are crossed that the sales were sufficient to make it worthwhile for them to keep doing it. I suppose that animated episodes of early episodes within the classic series is a niche within a niche within a niche. Hope I'm wrong about that. More crossed fingers here!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 4, 2017 9:36:10 GMT
I have to agree with DalekBusters overall thrust here, fans who are invested in the mythology of Who will find the animation/live action mix no problem, others I expect will, not because they can't understand it, but because they have no vested interest in the show and it's mythos and the switch will just seem strange and pointless, I'm sure there are many modern day watchers of Who, who don't know who Tom Baker is and certainly no idea who Douglas Adams is, and frankly don't care either. I'd say they're very likely to know who Douglas Adams is, at least as the guy who wrote Hitchhiker's. But aside from that, the big issue with this is that why are all these hypothetical casual viewers buying a Shada DVD? And if it ends up being shown on TV, putting a little message at the beginning explaining that this is an unfinished story from 1980, partially reconstructed through animation would seem simple enough. Because it's Tom Baker. It's Douglas Adams. It's a new Doctor Who Tom Baker story (to the casual audience). Plus many casual viewers must have bought Power of the Daleks given its success.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 9:42:34 GMT
I hate these animated episodes
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 4, 2017 11:25:45 GMT
Well I suppose when they do this Animated version, they could say. This is what originally happened. Then The Five Doctors altered the timeline somewhat, so 8 had to do it all again, but it was the first time lol
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Post by doomlord on Aug 4, 2017 14:12:36 GMT
I'd say they're very likely to know who Douglas Adams is, at least as the guy who wrote Hitchhiker's. But aside from that, the big issue with this is that why are all these hypothetical casual viewers buying a Shada DVD? And if it ends up being shown on TV, putting a little message at the beginning explaining that this is an unfinished story from 1980, partially reconstructed through animation would seem simple enough. Because it's Tom Baker. It's Douglas Adams. It's a new Doctor Who Tom Baker story (to the casual audience). Plus many casual viewers must have bought Power of the Daleks given its success. Your 'casual viewer' seems a little too vague. Does casual viewer mean someone that appreciates the series, displaying a willingness to part with their money and therefore a fan to some degree of the programme or not? Also, isn't any DW story 'new' to them if they haven't seen it before, fan or not and not exclusively 'to the casual audience'?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 4, 2017 15:00:32 GMT
Because it's Tom Baker. It's Douglas Adams. It's a new Doctor Who Tom Baker story (to the casual audience). Plus many casual viewers must have bought Power of the Daleks given its success. Your 'casual viewer' seems a little too vague. Does casual viewer mean someone that appreciates the series, displaying a willingness to part with their money and therefore a fan to some degree of the programme or not? Also, isn't any DW story 'new' to them if they haven't seen it before, fan or not and not exclusively 'to the casual audience'? Casual viewer - somebody who is not a fan of Doctor Who, often refers to 'the one with the long scarf' or 'the guy with the long coat' when referring to the Doctor. I suspect many casual viewers bought Power of the Daleks as 'new Doctor Who' out of curiosity, and many more would with Shada because it features 'the one with the long scarf' ("Ooh, I remember him").
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Post by chrism1999 on Aug 4, 2017 15:09:16 GMT
Your 'casual viewer' seems a little too vague. Does casual viewer mean someone that appreciates the series, displaying a willingness to part with their money and therefore a fan to some degree of the programme or not? Also, isn't any DW story 'new' to them if they haven't seen it before, fan or not and not exclusively 'to the casual audience'? Casual viewer - somebody who is not a fan of Doctor Who, often refers to 'the one with the long scarf' or 'the guy with the long coat' when referring to the Doctor. I suspect many casual viewers bought Power of the Daleks as 'new Doctor Who' out of curiosity, and many more would with Shada because it features 'the one with the long scarf' ("Ooh, I remember him"). I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone who bought Power was already a fan of Doctor Who generally, most likely classic already. Perhaps the odd collector or someone who's specifically interested in classic television, but Joe Bloggs and the family were certainly not the intended target market.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 4, 2017 15:11:45 GMT
Casual viewer - somebody who is not a fan of Doctor Who, often refers to 'the one with the long scarf' or 'the guy with the long coat' when referring to the Doctor. I suspect many casual viewers bought Power of the Daleks as 'new Doctor Who' out of curiosity, and many more would with Shada because it features 'the one with the long scarf' ("Ooh, I remember him"). I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone who bought Power was already a fan of Doctor Who generally, most likely classic already. Perhaps the odd collector or someone who's specifically interested in classic television, but Joe Bloggs and the family were certainly not the intended target market. It would have been a costly flop if that were the case given that there wasn't just a DVD but a DVD, a Blu-ray Steelbook and digital editions. Plus they colourised the animation rather than keeping it black and white for the BS. We've heard about how small the audience was for the original classic series DVD range - and that was just us fans.
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Post by chrism1999 on Aug 4, 2017 15:21:10 GMT
I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone who bought Power was already a fan of Doctor Who generally, most likely classic already. Perhaps the odd collector or someone who's specifically interested in classic television, but Joe Bloggs and the family were certainly not the intended target market. It would have been a costly flop if that were the case given that there wasn't just a DVD but a DVD, a Blu-ray Steelbook and digital editions. Plus they colourised the animation rather than keeping it black and white for the BS. We've heard about how small the audience was for the original classic series DVD range - and that was just us fans. It's currently ranked #96 in its category on Amazon (for the DVD), inbetween Highlander and the blu-ray for Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and good couple of places below the boxset of the second worst Star Trek series, and 953rd overall for DVDs. Decent, but nothing spectacular. The Tenth Planet is ranked higher.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 4, 2017 17:08:56 GMT
It would have been a costly flop if that were the case given that there wasn't just a DVD but a DVD, a Blu-ray Steelbook and digital editions. Plus they colourised the animation rather than keeping it black and white for the BS. We've heard about how small the audience was for the original classic series DVD range - and that was just us fans. It's currently ranked #96 in its category on Amazon (for the DVD), inbetween Highlander and the blu-ray for Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and good couple of places below the boxset of the second worst Star Trek series, and 953rd overall for DVDs. Decent, but nothing spectacular. The Tenth Planet is ranked higher. At time of release the steelbook was number 1 in its category.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 20:26:55 GMT
Your 'casual viewer' seems a little too vague. Does casual viewer mean someone that appreciates the series, displaying a willingness to part with their money and therefore a fan to some degree of the programme or not? Also, isn't any DW story 'new' to them if they haven't seen it before, fan or not and not exclusively 'to the casual audience'? I suspect many casual viewers bought Power of the Daleks as 'new Doctor Who' out of curiosity We'll never know for sure but I doubt that very much...
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Post by Traveller on Aug 5, 2017 0:07:13 GMT
I hate these animated episodes Not fond of them myself, Shada seems a waste considering its been available in other forms since the early 80s.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 5, 2017 8:45:40 GMT
I hate these animated episodes Not fond of them myself, Shada seems a waste considering its been available in other forms since the early 80s. Not with Tom Baker, Lalla Ward and John Leeson.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 10:16:12 GMT
It's currently ranked #96 in its category on Amazon (for the DVD), inbetween Highlander and the blu-ray for Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and good couple of places below the boxset of the second worst Star Trek series, and 953rd overall for DVDs. Decent, but nothing spectacular. The Tenth Planet is ranked higher. At time of release the steelbook was number 1 in its category. Doesn't matter in the long run. Besides, first of all, there's already a fully-animated Shada. Second of all, there's already footage from Shada with these actors, so there'd really be no point in that and it would make it much more expensive. And, lastly, wasn't there heavy criticism of the animation in The Power Of The Daleks release?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 5, 2017 10:20:22 GMT
At time of release the steelbook was number 1 in its category. Doesn't matter in the long run. Besides, first of all, there's already a fully-animated Shada. Second of all, there's already footage from Shada with these actors, so there'd really be no point in that and it would make it much more expensive. And, lastly, wasn't there heavy criticism of the animation in The Power Of The Daleks release? I don't remember seeing any criticism. I thought the vast majority loved it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 10:23:38 GMT
Doesn't matter in the long run. Besides, first of all, there's already a fully-animated Shada. Second of all, there's already footage from Shada with these actors, so there'd really be no point in that and it would make it much more expensive. And, lastly, wasn't there heavy criticism of the animation in The Power Of The Daleks release? I don't remember seeing any criticism. I thought the vast majority loved it. I'm probably not the best person to know about it, but I remember there being quite a lot more cirticism about the animation than the BBC had bargained for. Anyway, I think that in some ways that the fully animated puts people off, it certainly puts me off as I'm not the biggest fan of animation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 11:34:26 GMT
Doesn't matter in the long run. Besides, first of all, there's already a fully-animated Shada. Second of all, there's already footage from Shada with these actors, so there'd really be no point in that and it would make it much more expensive. And, lastly, wasn't there heavy criticism of the animation in The Power Of The Daleks release? I don't remember seeing any criticism. I thought the vast majority loved it. Most of the animation was good, but some of it was awful. Carboard cut outs jiggling across the screen to represent characters walking was the main wealness for me.
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Post by doomlord on Aug 5, 2017 11:46:07 GMT
I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone who bought Power was already a fan of Doctor Who generally, most likely classic already. Perhaps the odd collector or someone who's specifically interested in classic television, but Joe Bloggs and the family were certainly not the intended target market. It would have been a costly flop if that were the case given that there wasn't just a DVD but a DVD, a Blu-ray Steelbook and digital editions. Plus they colourised the animation rather than keeping it black and white for the BS. We've heard about how small the audience was for the original classic series DVD range - and that was just us fans. I've not heard the full details then, so out of the minimum 15,000 units produced for each DVD on their first run, what it the ratio of fans to that of an impulse buy from a non-fan?. As for the Power animation, it was part funded by BBC America which is funded by subscription and advertisements, so it had already, more or less paid for itself upon broadcast before a unit had shifted, it wouldn't have been a costly flop.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Aug 5, 2017 11:53:59 GMT
Doesn't matter in the long run. Besides, first of all, there's already a fully-animated Shada. Second of all, there's already footage from Shada with these actors, so there'd really be no point in that and it would make it much more expensive. And, lastly, wasn't there heavy criticism of the animation in The Power Of The Daleks release? I don't remember seeing any criticism. I thought the vast majority loved it. Fully animated version already? Do you mean the Levine version, because the BBCi version isn't fully animated in any way. And the Levine version (a) isn't available legally in any way, and won't be; and (b) even if it were I'll never support that man.
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