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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 16:59:18 GMT
Have you ever seen a TV show that mixes purely animated scenes with purely live-action ones? Yes, quite a few, Farscape and Fringe immediately spring to mind. You could even stretch a point and mention anything live action featuring certain usages of CGI.
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Post by newt5996 on Aug 2, 2017 17:15:59 GMT
No. There just wasn't anywhere as near as much buzz about the others. And The Power Of The Daleks is an iconic story. So are The Invasion and The Moonbase. Yeah but again all the DVD's that were released with animation only got a DVD trailer on the release prior whereas The Power of the Daleks had a social media hype building campaign leading up to the announcement, trailers in both the United Kingdom and the United States that were on television and YouTube, an airing on television AS A WEEKLY SERIAL in the United States and on the BBC Store AS A DAILY SERIAL in the UK, and to cap it all off the entire story was given a Fathom one night cinema event in the United States which I saw in a packed theater (I live in an area where Doctor Who isn't popular and merchandise is only sold at the local comic book shop (mainly Titan Comics) and Barnes and Noble). Plus the DVD and Blu-Ray release.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 2, 2017 18:47:38 GMT
Have you ever seen a TV show that mixes purely animated scenes with purely live-action ones? Yes, quite a few, Farscape and Fringe immediately spring to mind. I looked them up, and the switch from animation-live action is explained in the narratives of their live action/animated episodes. We know that wouldn't be the case with Shada.
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Post by doomlord on Aug 2, 2017 20:55:34 GMT
Yes, quite a few, Farscape and Fringe immediately spring to mind. I looked them up, and the switch from animation-live action is explained in the narratives of their live action/animated episodes. We know that wouldn't be the case with Shada. Now you're just clutching at straws, challenging greater knowledge with lesser knowledge, again, just to save face. Please stop underestimating the casual buyer and viewer, it really isn't becoming of you to think they haven't the intelligence or coping system to comprehend the 'jarring' animated sequences (or if you had your way, the out of place real footage) from the partially completed recording. Most people that tend to even lay a finger on any piece of Doctor Who merchandise have some degree of interest or a curiosity about it, most people can also read, most people can understand what they read. Just because you want it to be all cartoon and therefore, more accessible to you personally, doesn't mean that it should be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 21:05:30 GMT
Why?
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Aug 2, 2017 23:08:35 GMT
I looked them up, and the switch from animation-live action is explained in the narratives of their live action/animated episodes. We know that wouldn't be the case with Shada. Now you're just clutching at straws, challenging greater knowledge with lesser knowledge, again, just to save face. Please stop underestimating the casual buyer and viewer, it really isn't becoming of you to think they haven't the intelligence or coping system to comprehend the 'jarring' animated sequences (or if you had your way, the out of place real footage) from the partially completed recording. Most people that tend to even lay a finger on any piece of Doctor Who merchandise have some degree of interest or a curiosity about it, most people can also read, most people can understand what they read. Just because you want it to be all cartoon and therefore, more accessible to you personally, doesn't mean that it should be. I had literally no problem with the change from live to animation in any of the other Who releases. Jarring? Not a bit of it.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 3, 2017 8:53:34 GMT
Now you're just clutching at straws, challenging greater knowledge with lesser knowledge, again, just to save face. Please stop underestimating the casual buyer and viewer, it really isn't becoming of you to think they haven't the intelligence or coping system to comprehend the 'jarring' animated sequences (or if you had your way, the out of place real footage) from the partially completed recording. Most people that tend to even lay a finger on any piece of Doctor Who merchandise have some degree of interest or a curiosity about it, most people can also read, most people can understand what they read. Just because you want it to be all cartoon and therefore, more accessible to you personally, doesn't mean that it should be. I had literally no problem with the change from live to animation in any of the other Who releases. Jarring? Not a bit of it. You're a fan like the rest of us. Of course you didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 9:36:42 GMT
Now you're just clutching at straws, challenging greater knowledge with lesser knowledge, again, just to save face. Please stop underestimating the casual buyer and viewer, it really isn't becoming of you to think they haven't the intelligence or coping system to comprehend the 'jarring' animated sequences (or if you had your way, the out of place real footage) from the partially completed recording. Most people that tend to even lay a finger on any piece of Doctor Who merchandise have some degree of interest or a curiosity about it, most people can also read, most people can understand what they read. Just because you want it to be all cartoon and therefore, more accessible to you personally, doesn't mean that it should be. I had literally no problem with the change from live to animation in any of the other Who releases. Jarring? Not a bit of it. I always found it a bit weird flicking between the two while watching The Invasion and quite frankly it would seem even odder flicking mid-episode. I hope for a full animation with a partial animation option available on the blu-ray. Hopefully the blu-ray release will have every edition of Shada on it ever released.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 9:39:29 GMT
I had literally no problem with the change from live to animation in any of the other Who releases. Jarring? Not a bit of it. You're a fan like the rest of us. Of course you didn't. Sorry, but this has got nothing to do with whether you're a fan or not. DB, if you want full animation just go out and say it. I don't know how likely it is to happen, but wanting a consistent experience is not "selfish" in any way, shape or form.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 3, 2017 10:06:05 GMT
You're a fan like the rest of us. Of course you didn't. Sorry, but this has got nothing to do with whether you're a fan or not. DB, if you want full animation just go out and say it. I don't know how likely it is to happen, but wanting a consistent experience is not "selfish" in any way, shape or form. I never said it was selfish...
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Post by doomlord on Aug 3, 2017 13:08:49 GMT
Sorry, but this has got nothing to do with whether you're a fan or not. DB, if you want full animation just go out and say it. I don't know how likely it is to happen, but wanting a consistent experience is not "selfish" in any way, shape or form. I never said it was selfish... That's what he's saying, it's not selfish if you want it that way, it's your preference and you're entitled to it, just come out and say it instead of projecting it onto others or speaking for them because you can't possibly know what others will think. It would still be a waste of money and resources though.
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Post by chrism1999 on Aug 3, 2017 13:56:46 GMT
I just can't imagine the casual audience sitting down and watching part animated/part live-action episodes of Doctor Who. It would be very jarring and has the potential to take you out of the story. Us fans would do it - but we're fans. The casual audience would be wondering what's going on. Do we know how successful Planet of Giants was? I can't imagine casual audience buying it anyway. And Planet of Giants four parter was just awful so hopefully not a comparison. Exactly. If you're willing to shell out (as opposed to watching it on TV) serials of a programme that can can be nearly 40 or even 50 years old, you've passed the point of casual interest.
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Post by jasonward on Aug 3, 2017 14:15:42 GMT
I have to agree with DalekBusters overall thrust here, fans who are invested in the mythology of Who will find the animation/live action mix no problem, others I expect will, not because they can't understand it, but because they have no vested interest in the show and it's mythos and the switch will just seem strange and pointless, I'm sure there are many modern day watchers of Who, who don't know who Tom Baker is and certainly no idea who Douglas Adams is, and frankly don't care either.
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Post by number13 on Aug 3, 2017 16:34:15 GMT
I have to agree with DalekBusters overall thrust here, fans who are invested in the mythology of Who will find the animation/live action mix no problem, others I expect will, not because they can't understand it, but because they have no vested interest in the show and it's mythos and the switch will just seem strange and pointless, I'm sure there are many modern day watchers of Who, who don't know who Tom Baker is and certainly no idea who Douglas Adams is, and frankly don't care either.Certainly true - but would they be likely to buy 'Shada' in any form, or to enjoy the stately pace of a 1979 six-parter if they did? Won't the market be either long-term fans or those enlightened new series fans who are interested in discovering the classic era too? People who will value every on-screen second of Tom Baker, 4:3 format, mixed live/animation and all.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Aug 3, 2017 16:48:50 GMT
I had literally no problem with the change from live to animation in any of the other Who releases. Jarring? Not a bit of it. I always found it a bit weird flicking between the two while watching The Invasion and quite frankly it would seem even odder flicking mid-episode. I hope for a full animation with a partial animation option available on the blu-ray. Hopefully the blu-ray release will have every edition of Shada on it ever released. Well, that would give consistency, but it's not really financially viable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 17:39:48 GMT
I always found it a bit weird flicking between the two while watching The Invasion and quite frankly it would seem even odder flicking mid-episode. I hope for a full animation with a partial animation option available on the blu-ray. Hopefully the blu-ray release will have every edition of Shada on it ever released. Well, that would give consistency, but it's not really financially viable. A man can dream
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Aug 3, 2017 17:54:25 GMT
Well, that would give consistency, but it's not really financially viable. A man can dream I'd like you to be right...ok, I'd prefer if they animated "The Highlanders" or "Evil of the Daleks", but I can dream too!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:30:38 GMT
I'd prefer if they animated "The Highlanders" or "Evil of the Daleks", but I can dream too! I'd like to think that if the recent Power of the Daleks animated release did okay commercially for the BBC the latter of your choices wouldn't be too far away...
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Aug 3, 2017 20:24:54 GMT
I'd prefer if they animated "The Highlanders" or "Evil of the Daleks", but I can dream too! I'd like to think that if the recent Power of the Daleks animated release did okay commercially for the BBC the latter of your choices wouldn't be too far away... That's partly why I went to the bother of buying it on DVD AND Bluray!
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Post by tordred on Aug 3, 2017 21:02:37 GMT
I have to agree with DalekBusters overall thrust here, fans who are invested in the mythology of Who will find the animation/live action mix no problem, others I expect will, not because they can't understand it, but because they have no vested interest in the show and it's mythos and the switch will just seem strange and pointless, I'm sure there are many modern day watchers of Who, who don't know who Tom Baker is and certainly no idea who Douglas Adams is, and frankly don't care either. I'd say they're very likely to know who Douglas Adams is, at least as the guy who wrote Hitchhiker's. But aside from that, the big issue with this is that why are all these hypothetical casual viewers buying a Shada DVD? And if it ends up being shown on TV, putting a little message at the beginning explaining that this is an unfinished story from 1980, partially reconstructed through animation would seem simple enough.
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