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Post by doomlord on Aug 2, 2017 13:32:04 GMT
They did a dvd version, a Blu ray version and a colour version! Because it was a big success. That suggests animated missing Doctor Who is more popular when its completely animated as opposed to a mix of animated and live action episodes. Maybe if The Invasion had been completely animated with the surviving episodes as special features, Cosgrove Hall wouldn't have gone bust? Cosgrove Hall was floating due to Granada Television's investments. Granada itself was cutting back on its own resources and the first to go were extended company interests, one of those companies being Cosgrove Hall. Once the investments stopped coming in, Cosgrove sunk. It had nothing to do with how well a single DW story was animated or sold. Surely your college taught you histories of independent television, the births, the regions, the sell-off and take-over bids, the ITV amalgamations, and surviving independents post-2002 (Granada being one of them)? Plus it makes no business sense to animate already surviving episodes in full. That's just crazy, a complete waste of money and a unnecessary cost passed onto the consumer. Neither would a fully animated, where surviving episodes exist, be a definitive version.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 2, 2017 13:35:18 GMT
I wonder if the reason why Tenth Planet, Reign of Terror and Moonbase didn't sell well is that the casual audience were put off by the mix of live-action and animated episodes? Maybe Power of the Daleks was a bigger success because its fully animated? No. There just wasn't anywhere as near as much buzz about the others. And The Power Of The Daleks is an iconic story. So are The Invasion and The Moonbase.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 2, 2017 13:36:48 GMT
Because it was a big success. That suggests animated missing Doctor Who is more popular when its completely animated as opposed to a mix of animated and live action episodes. Maybe if The Invasion had been completely animated with the surviving episodes as special features, Cosgrove Hall wouldn't have gone bust? No. I know you prefer full-animation. Maybe you prefer consistency, but... I think the animation was what put people off The Invasion. However, I think as time has gone on fans have become more accepting of the animation. And, in all honesty, they're more likely to do partial animation with Shada. I don't think part-animation/part-live action would appeal to the casual audience. It would look more odd than animated episodes/live-action episodes. Personally I would be surprised if Shada isn't fully animated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 13:42:00 GMT
No. There just wasn't anywhere as near as much buzz about the others. And The Power Of The Daleks is an iconic story. So are The Invasion and The Moonbase. But not as much. Power is the first Troughton story, which gives it more casual audience appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 13:42:05 GMT
No. I know you prefer full-animation. Maybe you prefer consistency, but... I think the animation was what put people off The Invasion. However, I think as time has gone on fans have become more accepting of the animation. And, in all honesty, they're more likely to do partial animation with Shada. I don't think part-animation/part-live action would appeal to the casual audience. It would look more odd than animated episodes/live-action episodes. Personally I would be surprised if Shada isn't fully animated. BBC Worldwide did a survey about this topic a while ago, so they will have a good idea how many people prefer the maximum amount of original footage mixed with animation compared to how many prefer entire animation. And since the costs of total animation would be about triple those of partial animation the survey results would need to be pretty compelling.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 13:42:43 GMT
No. I know you prefer full-animation. Maybe you prefer consistency, but... I think the animation was what put people off The Invasion. However, I think as time has gone on fans have become more accepting of the animation. And, in all honesty, they're more likely to do partial animation with Shada. I don't think part-animation/part-live action would appeal to the casual audience. It would look more odd than animated episodes/live-action episodes. Personally I would be surprised if Shada isn't fully animated. But it'd be cheaper to do part-animation. And there'd be no point in doing full animation considering about 40% of the story is completed. Would be a bit of a waste of money.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 2, 2017 13:45:31 GMT
I don't think part-animation/part-live action would appeal to the casual audience. It would look more odd than animated episodes/live-action episodes. Personally I would be surprised if Shada isn't fully animated. BBC Worldwide did a survey about this topic a while ago, so they will have a good idea how many people prefer the maximum amount of original footage mixed with animation compared to how many prefer entire animation. And since the costs of total animation would be about triple those of partial animation the survey results would need to be pretty compelling. I just can't imagine the casual audience sitting down and watching part animated/part live-action episodes of Doctor Who. It would be very jarring and has the potential to take you out of the story. Us fans would do it - but we're fans. The casual audience would be wondering what's going on. Do we know how successful Planet of Giants was?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 2, 2017 13:46:50 GMT
I don't think part-animation/part-live action would appeal to the casual audience. It would look more odd than animated episodes/live-action episodes. Personally I would be surprised if Shada isn't fully animated. But it'd be cheaper to do part-animation. And there'd be no point in doing full animation considering about 40% of the story is completed. Would be a bit of a waste of money. Cheaper, yes. But would non-fans buy a Tom Baker story that's part-animated part-live action in comparison to fully animated?
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Post by number13 on Aug 2, 2017 13:48:26 GMT
I don't think part-animation/part-live action would appeal to the casual audience. It would look more odd than animated episodes/live-action episodes. Personally I would be surprised if Shada isn't fully animated. But it'd be cheaper to do part-animation. And there'd be no point in doing full animation considering about 40% of the story is completed. Would be a bit of a waste of money.Agree. And a still bigger waste of the already-filmed talents of Tom Baker, Lalla Ward and co. And of the locations. I'm really hoping for a 'completed' not a 'replaced' version; they've done that version already with the Eighth Doctor. But it'd be cheaper to do part-animation. And there'd be no point in doing full animation considering about 40% of the story is completed. Would be a bit of a waste of money. Cheaper, yes. But would non-fans buy a Tom Baker story that's part-animated part-live action in comparison to fully animated? I'm trying to imagine a Fourth Doctor story WITHOUT live Tom Baker acting being better than a Fourth Doctor story WITH Tom Baker in it... Nope, can't do it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 13:52:22 GMT
I think the 'casual audience' are capable of understanding the concept of part animation/part live action. Some of them are quite perceptive!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 2, 2017 13:54:19 GMT
But it'd be cheaper to do part-animation. And there'd be no point in doing full animation considering about 40% of the story is completed. Would be a bit of a waste of money.Agree. And a still bigger waste of the already-filmed talents of Tom Baker, Lalla Ward and co. And of the locations. I'm really hoping for a 'completed' not a 'replaced' version; they've done that version already with the Eighth Doctor. Cheaper, yes. But would non-fans buy a Tom Baker story that's part-animated part-live action in comparison to fully animated? I'm trying to imagine a Fourth Doctor story WITHOUT live Tom Baker acting being better than a Fourth Doctor story WITH Tom Baker in it... Nope, can't do it. Because you're a fan. The casual audience would just wonder what this this weird animation/live-action combination is and dismiss it as too strange to watch.
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Post by jasonward on Aug 2, 2017 13:59:12 GMT
I think the 'casual audience' are capable of understanding the concept of part animation/part live action. Some of them are quite perceptive! Sure I don't think they would have problems understanding it, but I suspect the 4:3 ratio, the lack of HD etc combined with animation would be a huge turn off for all but a hardcore set of fans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 14:23:18 GMT
But it'd be cheaper to do part-animation. And there'd be no point in doing full animation considering about 40% of the story is completed. Would be a bit of a waste of money. Cheaper, yes. But would non-fans buy a Tom Baker story that's part-animated part-live action in comparison to fully animated? Well, they seemed to understand the original Shada release all right. That supposedly sold like hot cakes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 14:24:25 GMT
Agree. And a still bigger waste of the already-filmed talents of Tom Baker, Lalla Ward and co. And of the locations. I'm really hoping for a 'completed' not a 'replaced' version; they've done that version already with the Eighth Doctor. I'm trying to imagine a Fourth Doctor story WITHOUT live Tom Baker acting being better than a Fourth Doctor story WITH Tom Baker in it... Nope, can't do it. Because you're a fan. The casual audience would just wonder what this this weird animation/live-action combination is and dismiss it as too strange to watch. They'd probably be confused why it was animated in the first place. Anyway, it'd be cool to have the opening of the Shada VHS at the start to explain it all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 15:31:15 GMT
I don't think part-animation/part-live action would appeal to the casual audience. It would look more odd than animated episodes/live-action episodes. Personally I would be surprised if Shada isn't fully animated. But it'd be cheaper to do part-animation. And there'd be no point in doing full animation considering about 40% of the story is completed. Would be a bit of a waste of money. It's more like two thirds complete so partial is even more likely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 15:32:47 GMT
BBC Worldwide did a survey about this topic a while ago, so they will have a good idea how many people prefer the maximum amount of original footage mixed with animation compared to how many prefer entire animation. And since the costs of total animation would be about triple those of partial animation the survey results would need to be pretty compelling. I just can't imagine the casual audience sitting down and watching part animated/part live-action episodes of Doctor Who. It would be very jarring and has the potential to take you out of the story. Us fans would do it - but we're fans. The casual audience would be wondering what's going on. Do we know how successful Planet of Giants was? I can't imagine casual audience buying it anyway. And Planet of Giants four parter was just awful so hopefully not a comparison.
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Post by doomlord on Aug 2, 2017 15:39:06 GMT
BBC Worldwide did a survey about this topic a while ago, so they will have a good idea how many people prefer the maximum amount of original footage mixed with animation compared to how many prefer entire animation. And since the costs of total animation would be about triple those of partial animation the survey results would need to be pretty compelling. I just can't imagine the casual audience sitting down and watching part animated/part live-action episodes of Doctor Who. It would be very jarring and has the potential to take you out of the story. Us fans would do it - but we're fans. The casual audience would be wondering what's going on. Well that's either a lack of your own imagination or a complete underestimation of the casual buyer's intelligence. I get the feeling these preferences are your own, only projected onto others.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 2, 2017 15:47:11 GMT
I just can't imagine the casual audience sitting down and watching part animated/part live-action episodes of Doctor Who. It would be very jarring and has the potential to take you out of the story. Us fans would do it - but we're fans. The casual audience would be wondering what's going on. Well that's either a lack of your own imagination or a complete underestimation of the casual buyer's intelligence. I get the feeling these preferences are your own, only projected onto others. Have you ever seen a TV show that mixes purely animated scenes with purely live-action ones?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 16:05:36 GMT
I had never seen a TV show that featured a man/woman travelling through space/time in a Police Box-shaped space/time ship before Doctor Who came along. I seem to remember the casual audience had no problem wrapping their brains around that concept.
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Post by doomlord on Aug 2, 2017 16:56:48 GMT
Well that's either a lack of your own imagination or a complete underestimation of the casual buyer's intelligence. I get the feeling these preferences are your own, only projected onto others. Have you ever seen a TV show that mixes purely animated scenes with purely live-action ones? Yes, quite a few, Farscape and Fringe immediately spring to mind.
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