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Post by The Matt on Sept 14, 2017 7:36:24 GMT
then there's a very simple way of knowing where you stand -- talk to them. Talk to these people about your concerns, air them and reach an understanding. Otherwise, it's a vague miasma of "people who are out to get me". Right well i tried to follow your advice Wolfie and talk to you. You didn't like to hear some home truths, got your arse in your hands, threatened to leave and then accused me off bullying. There was no bullying, there was a discussion. You got lost in your own "vague miasma"
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Post by The Matt on Sept 14, 2017 7:39:33 GMT
Sorry Wolfe but at present all your posts on this topic, and many others, are coming across as lectures. You might not intend it that way but that's how it is. I feel like I'm at University and you're a tutor who'd rather show how intelligent he thinks he is to the other smaller less intellectual minds. That you think your opinion is somehow more important or better. Maybe just reign your posts, and the unnecessary verbiage, in a little? I'm sorry, but... You're asking me to change the way I speak. It's like... Like saying to someone "Can you dial back the accent?" I literally can't do that. It's how I talk in real life. I cannot change that, that's me. Edit: That's... a problem with who I am... I have no other way to respond but to be hurt by that. Really very badly. I don't want to be here anymore. I disagree, you cannot choose your accent. You can choose the words you type into a forum. You can choose how you phrase things in a forum. You can choose when you talk to people or talk at / lecture people. If a small comment like that hurts you "really very badly" then you must have had a very sheltered life to develop so thin a skin!!
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Post by The Matt on Sept 14, 2017 7:41:24 GMT
Also. I don't know how it works elsewhere... But in the UK if someone feels bullied then they are bullied. And I Won't stand for it. i am from the UK and this isn't how it is. Maybe in your area it is but you can't logically speak for the whole of the UK and someone saying they are being bullied or feeling bullied certainly doesn't automatically equate to them being bullied. Not liking what you hear does not mean the person saying what you don't like is a bully. Nowhere even close!!
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Post by The Matt on Sept 14, 2017 7:48:16 GMT
I'm sorry but when people say "I don't want to be here anymore" then they might as well just say "please beg me to stay, please" If you don't want to be here then don't. No need for a grand statement!!!! End of the day it is up to you if you stay or go. Making that kind of statement just seems a little........sad Right. Let's be clear We are human and require validation. Not understandin this shows a basic flaw in your thinking. We are here because we like it. If we feel un wanted we ask for some form of validation. Of we get it. We stay... (in my case) Or we leave... as had happened. It is sad that we arnt robots but it's just a fact. Now im quite unhappy with the current state of things too. So unhappy that I ovet reacted and locked... then unlocked a thread. I miss used my power without consulting others. For that I'm sorry. i think there is basic flaw in your thinking as well. i am not a robot and yet i don't hang my feelings and my self worth on a forum full of strangers that i will never meet. That doesn't make me "a robot". if i wanted to leave the forum then i would just leave, i wouldn't make some grand statement to try and get total strangers to beg me to stay or say they like me. That's a step beyond needing validation. To be fair, Wolfie isn't the only one guilty of doing this. Anyway, i have said my bit now.
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Post by nudge on Sept 14, 2017 9:26:42 GMT
Also. I don't know how it works elsewhere... But in the UK if someone feels bullied then they are bullied. And I Won't stand for it. I’ve never considered that to be the case and I’m from the UK as well; now surely every forum member has carte blanche on saying they feel bullied and they don’t need to prove it. To reset the attitude of the forum the moderators should be more draconian to set an acceptable limit on what can/can’t be said and the tone used? I’m not sure why I am interjecting and will probably live to regret, but would like the forum to be a happy place if I’m to hang out here.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Sept 14, 2017 10:10:06 GMT
Maybe it's the places I've worked with a zero tolerance of bullying and my life experience that has coloured the way I see things.
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Post by acousticwolf on Sept 14, 2017 10:44:00 GMT
Also. I don't know how it works elsewhere... But in the UK if someone feels bullied then they are bullied. And I Won't stand for it. I’ve never considered that to be the case and I’m from the UK as well; now surely every forum member has carte blanche on saying they feel bullied and they don’t need to prove it. To reset the attitude of the forum the moderators should be more draconian to set an acceptable limit on what can/can’t be said and the tone used?I’m not sure why I am interjecting and will probably live to regret, but would like the forum to be a happy place if I’m to hang out here. Just out of curiousity, would you prefer for the Mods to be more Draconian or should the forum be more self-managing? Cheers Tony
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Post by omega on Sept 14, 2017 10:55:38 GMT
Perhaps it's best to try see how what you say would be perceived by someone approaching it rationally.
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Post by The Matt on Sept 14, 2017 10:57:54 GMT
Maybe it's the places I've worked with a zero tolerance of bullying and my life experience that has coloured the way I see things. I think most companies in the UK and certainly all the ones i have worked for have a zero tolerance and i still do not concur with your definition of bullying at all. "if someone feels bullied then they are bullied" is far too sweeping a statement to make. As Nudge said that just opens up a chance for anyone to shout bullying with no proof or provocation
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Post by nudge on Sept 14, 2017 11:10:56 GMT
I’ve never considered that to be the case and I’m from the UK as well; now surely every forum member has carte blanche on saying they feel bullied and they don’t need to prove it. To reset the attitude of the forum the moderators should be more draconian to set an acceptable limit on what can/can’t be said and the tone used?I’m not sure why I am interjecting and will probably live to regret, but would like the forum to be a happy place if I’m to hang out here. Just out of curiousity, would you prefer for the Mods to be more Draconian or should the forum be more self-managing? Cheers Tony My sentiments is the same as I treat my children, they know the rules of what is/isn't acceptable and so should be self-managing with what they do - it creates a happier place. Though if they step out of line draconian rules are enforced until they understand their behaviour isn't acceptable. I may have answered your question in a roundabout way, but expect you will understand the sentiment. Hopefully your recent post 'A timely reminder from the Mods' will address people's attitude and give them pause for thought before hitting the 'post' icon.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Sept 14, 2017 11:18:14 GMT
I did apologise for locking then I unlocked it.
I would usually defend anyone's right to be wrong
But I overstepped myself.
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Post by acousticwolf on Sept 14, 2017 11:30:44 GMT
Just out of curiousity, would you prefer for the Mods to be more Draconian or should the forum be more self-managing? Cheers Tony My sentiments is the same as I treat my children, they know the rules of what is/isn't acceptable and so should be self-managing with what they do - it creates a happier place. Though if they step out of line draconian rules are enforced until they understand their behaviour isn't acceptable. I may have answered your question in a roundabout way, but expect you will understand the sentiment. Hopefully your recent post 'A timely reminder from the Mods' will address people's attitude and give them pause for thought before hitting the 'post' icon. I do and it was aimed at anybody who wants to contribute also. Sadly, it wasn't that long ago that that post was was made but I feel a "bump" is in order Cheers Tony
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Post by tiny on Sept 14, 2017 11:45:12 GMT
This is not a forum with free speech.
Not a single mod even knows what "freedom of speech" means. It is a censored forum, with posts being deleted all the time.
Just as this one will. They will call it spamming or fishing or inflammatory or whatever, they deem it to be, because they don't want to read the truth, unless it fits into their very small and ever changing form of the truth.
After spending the last 2 weeks helping to clean up Houston, getting a whole of 2 showers in 2 weeks, sleeping in my dump truck for all but 2 nights, and seeing people with nothing left but their families, This forum makes me sick.
There are some good people here, time Lord, tin dog, Matt and more, then there's the far left idiots at least one of whom is a mod. And at least 1 open minded left wing mod who appreciates conversation, and understands, we get things done with conversation, instead of guns and bombs, and threats.
I fought for the United States of America, I killed for the USA, and I sacrificed for all the people of the USA. For the constitution, and for my own beliefs.
I've seen the worst of humanity, and I've seen, first hand, the very best of it too.
Y'all need to get out more.
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Post by acousticwolf on Sept 14, 2017 11:47:44 GMT
This is not a forum with free speech. Not a single mod even knows what "freedom of speech" means. It is a censored forum, with posts being deleted all the time. Just as this one will. They will call it spamming or fishing or inflammatory or whatever, they deem it to be, because they don't want to read the truth, unless it fits into their very small and ever changing form of the truth. After spending the last 2 weeks helping to clean up Houston, getting a whole of 2 showers in 2 weeks, sleeping in my dump truck for all but 2 nights, and seeing people with nothing left but their families, This forum makes me sick. There are some good people here, time Lord, tin dog, Matt and more, then there's the far left idiots at least one of whom is a mod. And at least 1 open minded left wing mod who appreciates conversation, and understands, we get things done with conversation, instead of guns and bombs, and threats. I fought for the United States of America, I killed for the USA, and I sacrificed for all the people of the USA. For the constitution, and for my own beliefs. I've seen the worst of humanity, and I've seen, first hand, the very best of it too. Y'all need to get out more. If you don't like us, why stick around? A genuine question Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 11:54:28 GMT
This is not a forum with free speech. Not a single mod even knows what "freedom of speech" means. It is a censored forum, with posts being deleted all the time. Just as this one will. They will call it spamming or fishing or inflammatory or whatever, they deem it to be, because they don't want to read the truth, unless it fits into their very small and ever changing form of the truth. After spending the last 2 weeks helping to clean up Houston, getting a whole of 2 showers in 2 weeks, sleeping in my dump truck for all but 2 nights, and seeing people with nothing left but their families, This forum makes me sick. There are some good people here, time Lord, tin dog, Matt and more, then there's the far left idiots at least one of whom is a mod. And at least 1 open minded left wing mod who appreciates conversation, and understands, we get things done with conversation, instead of guns and bombs, and threats. I fought for the United States of America, I killed for the USA, and I sacrificed for all the people of the USA. For the constitution, and for my own beliefs. I've seen the worst of humanity, and I've seen, first hand, the very best of it too. Y'all need to get out more. Lovely.
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Post by number13 on Sept 14, 2017 12:00:52 GMT
Just out of curiousity, would you prefer for the Mods to be more Draconian or should the forum be more self-managing? Cheers Tony With a capital 'D' ??!! What, wear high wing collars, make one of yourselves Emperor of DU, stake out a frontier across half the forum and tell females to be silent in your presence... ? Not to mention confusing Ogrons and humans. Ogrons have feelings, you know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 12:07:11 GMT
Just out of curiousity, would you prefer for the Mods to be more Draconian or should the forum be more self-managing? Cheers Tony With a capital 'D' ??!! What, wear high wing collars, make one of yourselves Emperor of DU, stake out a frontier across half the forum and tell females to be silent in your presence... ? Not to mention confusing Ogrons and humans. Ogrons have feelings, you know. Oof, I have a feeling that adopting a Draconian sssssibilance would get to posssssters rather quickly. It might get rather sssssilly-- Ah, egh, I think I just ssssprained my tongue.
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 14, 2017 12:07:48 GMT
This whole thread makes rather sad reading.
If I have in the past offended anyone on this forum & I have no doubt that I have, then I am genuinely sorry - it was unintentional.
Remember:
1. You can disagree without being disagreeable
And if you can't manage that, then apply what my Mother used to say to me and what I now say to my children:
2. If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything
Confession time: The only time I was ever intentionally rude on a forum was to MagnusMagister on the old BF forum. Magnus, if you're reading this, I'm sorry about that too.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 14, 2017 12:24:21 GMT
Sorry to hear of masterdoctor's decision, personally I've found this forum to be one of friendlier areas of the Internet, though can understand worries over state of discussion about contentious issues. I hope none of my posts have caused anyone any offence or come across as rude, it's never my intention and can only apologise if that's the case. This forum has seemed to me to be a nice community, for example it's reaction to the casting of Jodie Whittaker (certainly one of the most contentious decisions in Who's recent history) was far politer than some other areas of discussion, and I hope that continues.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 12:24:34 GMT
Confession time: The only time I was ever intentionally rude on a forum was to MagnusMagister on the old BF forum. Magnus, if you're reading this, I'm sorry about that too. Let me guess... War Chief = Monk = Master ?
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