Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 12:38:47 GMT
Sorry to hear of masterdoctor 's decision, personally I've found this forum to be one of friendlier areas of the Internet, though can understand worries over state of discussion about contentious issues. I hope none of my posts have caused anyone any offence or come across as rude, it's never my intention and can only apologise if that's the case. This forum has seemed to me to be a nice community, for example it's reaction to the casting of Jodie Whittaker (certainly one of the most contentious decisions in Who's recent history) was far politer than some other areas of discussion, and I hope that continues. I really appreciated your input on the Cybermen timeline thread a while back. That was fun, I rather enjoyed it.
|
|
|
Post by pawntake on Sept 14, 2017 12:39:25 GMT
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELEY DDIFFERENT!!!!!(Don't we just love Monty Python!!!?) Anyone looking forward to tomorrows announcement??
|
|
Tony Jones
Chancellery Guard
Professor Chronotis
Still rockin' along!
Likes: 2,132
|
Post by Tony Jones on Sept 14, 2017 15:09:50 GMT
This is not a forum with free speech. Not a single mod even knows what "freedom of speech" means. It is a censored forum, with posts being deleted all the time. Just as this one will. They will call it spamming or fishing or inflammatory or whatever, they deem it to be, because they don't want to read the truth, unless it fits into their very small and ever changing form of the truth. After spending the last 2 weeks helping to clean up Houston, getting a whole of 2 showers in 2 weeks, sleeping in my dump truck for all but 2 nights, and seeing people with nothing left but their families, This forum makes me sick. There are some good people here, time Lord, tin dog, Matt and more, then there's the far left idiots at least one of whom is a mod. And at least 1 open minded left wing mod who appreciates conversation, and understands, we get things done with conversation, instead of guns and bombs, and threats. I fought for the United States of America, I killed for the USA, and I sacrificed for all the people of the USA. For the constitution, and for my own beliefs. I've seen the worst of humanity, and I've seen, first hand, the very best of it too. Y'all need to get out more. Amnesty international has this to say on the subject (my bold): Free speech is the right to say whatever you like about whatever you like, whenever you like, right? Wrong.
'Free speech is the right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, by any means.' Free speech and the right to freedom of expression applies to ideas of all kinds including those that may be deeply offensive. But it comes with responsibilities and we believe it can be legitimately restricted. When free speech can be restricted You might not expect us to say this, but in certain circumstances free speech and freedom of expression can be restricted.Governments have an obligation to prohibit hate speech and incitement. And restrictions can also be justified if they protect specific public interest or the rights and reputations of others. Any restrictions on free speech and freedom of expression must be set out in laws that must in turn be clear and concise so everyone can understand them. People imposing the restrictions (whether they are governments, employers or anyone else) must be able to demonstrate the need for them, and they must be proportionate. All of this has to be backed up by safeguards to stop the abuse of these restrictions and incorporate a proper appeals process. ...and when it can't Restrictions that do not comply with all these conditions violate freedom of expression. We consider people put in prison solely for exercising their right to free speech to be prisoners of conscience. Jabbar Savalan was imprisoned after calling for protests against the government on Facebook. We considered him a prisoner of conscience and campaigned for his release. Read Jabbar's story Checks and balances Specifics Any restriction should be as specific as possible. It would be wrong to ban an entire website because of a problem with one page. National security and public order These terms must be precisely defined in law to prevent them being used as excuses for excessive restrictions. Morals This is a very subjective area, but any restrictions must not be based on a single tradition or religion and must not discriminate against anyone living in a particular country. Rights and reputations of others Public officials should tolerate more criticism than private individuals. So defamation laws that stop legitimate criticism of a government or public official, violate the right to free speech. Blasphemy Protecting abstract concepts, religious beliefs or other beliefs or the sensibilities of people that believe them is not grounds for restricting free speech. Media and journalists Journalists and bloggers face particular risks because of the work they do. Countries therefore have a responsibility to protect their right to free speech. Restrictions on Newspapers, TV stations, etc can affect everyone’s right to freedom of expression. Whistleblowers Government should never bring criminal proceedings against anyone who reveals information about human rights abuses. Rights and responsibilities Free speech is one of our most important rights and one of the most misunderstood. Use your free speech to speak out for those that are denied theirs. But use it responsibly: it is a powerful thing.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 15:19:58 GMT
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELEY DDIFFERENT!!!!!(Don't we just love Monty Python!!!?) Anyone looking forward to tomorrows announcement?? Yes!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 15:54:20 GMT
I find it surprising that I seem to agree. To a point. I actually feel that the increase in political "debate" (I say that with tongue in cheek) has led to a bleed over of testiness into other threads. Maybe I'm wrong, but I find that, for the last few months I am more likely to second guess myself before posting or holding back at times because of this. I can't point to specific posts, it's just a general feeling. And I won't go near any political threads, American or otherwise. I just don't like the overall feeling of "I'm right and you are an idiot if you don't agree with me" that is in those threads. But I still love this place and all of you crazy people. I stay clear of political threads . been here for a short while only now but I can say I don't get such negative vibes and you guys are doing a great job and do continue with it . That said , it's probably because i stay away from controversial topics as I come here for a break from routine life and stress, not added stress 😀
|
|
|
Post by TinDogPodcast on Sept 14, 2017 16:21:29 GMT
Wow...
|
|
|
Post by mrperson on Sept 14, 2017 17:50:52 GMT
I certainly detected a fair amount of what OP is talking about, particularly around the casting of Whittaker. I had a distinct sense that any post not in line with the majority view would be treated with open disdain, condescension, and holier-than-thou ridicule. That has died down, perhaps because there's nothing left to say on the matter.
Then again, I do participate in an actual political debate board, so I'm rather used to sharpened knives. There are some parallels, though. Take a subject like abortion. If you are arguing about political questions involving abortion, people have a tendency to think that not only are they logically correct, but that there is only one true correct moral stance and they have it. That then affects the way they address people with a difference stance in a way that makes the debate more explosive.
Other than that, the only real unpleasantness seems to come down to a very small number of posters who seem to be in constant attack mode, for reasons unknown.
Maybe some of this has to do with the general political atmosphere, maybe not. I couldn't say.
|
|
|
Post by mrperson on Sept 14, 2017 17:52:15 GMT
i think there is basic flaw in your thinking as well. i am not a robot and yet i don't hang my feelings and my self worth on a forum full of strangers that i will never meet. That doesn't make me "a robot". if i wanted to leave the forum then i would just leave, i wouldn't make some grand statement to try and get total strangers to beg me to stay or say they like me. That's a step beyond needing validation. To be fair, Wolfie isn't the only one guilty of doing this. Anyway, i have said my bit now. Let's just say that your exchange with wolfie may not look to others the way it looks to you and (maybe?) leave it at that.......
|
|
|
Post by The Matt on Sept 14, 2017 18:18:59 GMT
i think there is basic flaw in your thinking as well. i am not a robot and yet i don't hang my feelings and my self worth on a forum full of strangers that i will never meet. That doesn't make me "a robot". if i wanted to leave the forum then i would just leave, i wouldn't make some grand statement to try and get total strangers to beg me to stay or say they like me. That's a step beyond needing validation. To be fair, Wolfie isn't the only one guilty of doing this. Anyway, i have said my bit now. Let's just say that your exchange with wolfie may not look to others the way it looks to you and (maybe?) leave it at that....... Lets also just say that it looks to some others exactly the same way it looks to me and leave it at that.......
|
|
|
Post by TinDogPodcast on Sept 14, 2017 18:51:05 GMT
Also. I don't know how it works elsewhere... But in the UK if someone feels bullied then they are bullied. And I Won't stand for it. Like the equality act...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 18:51:59 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 21:44:26 GMT
Truth be told, I'm a bit disappointed that it didn't turn into a musical.
I think I went a bit Gilbert and Sullivan at the end.
|
|
|
Post by Timelord007 on Sept 15, 2017 6:23:12 GMT
I did apologise for locking then I unlocked it. I would usually defend anyone's right to be wrong But I overstepped myself. "UNLIMITED POWER"
|
|
|
Post by Timelord007 on Sept 15, 2017 6:27:49 GMT
Confession time: The only time I was ever intentionally rude on a forum was to MagnusMagister on the old BF forum. Magnus, if you're reading this, I'm sorry about that too. Let me guess... War Chief = Monk = Master ? Magnus now lives in a Tibetan Monastery were he spends his days brass rubbing, meditating & piecing together conspiracy theories that The Doctor is the Master, War Chief, The Meddling Monk & Mr Burns from The Simpsons all being the same person.
|
|
shutupbanks
Castellan
There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
Likes: 5,677
|
Post by shutupbanks on Sept 15, 2017 12:20:53 GMT
Let me guess... War Chief = Monk = Master ? Magnus now lives in a Tibetan Monastery were he spends his days brass rubbing, meditating & piecing together conspiracy theories that The Doctor is the Master, War Chief, The Meddling Monk & Mr Burns from The Simpsons all being the same person. You left out Pennywise.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 12:47:50 GMT
Magnus now lives in a Tibetan Monastery were he spends his days brass rubbing, meditating & piecing together conspiracy theories that The Doctor is the Master, War Chief, The Meddling Monk & Mr Burns from The Simpsons all being the same person. You left out Pennywise. Living in a church bell. I am... developing a surprisingly rich headcanon here.
|
|
|
Post by jasonward on Sept 15, 2017 13:44:54 GMT
This is not a forum with free speech. Indeed, it's not, but then hardly anywhere is, the only place (that I know of) and circumstances that Free Speech is a protected right in is the US and the protection is that the state will not stop you. Nowhere else, and no one (or thing) else has it incumbent to ensure Free Speech. Not a single mod even knows what "freedom of speech" means. Given the first point above, I'm pretty sure you don't know what "freedom of speech" means, I'm clear that you have an opinion on what it should mean, but it seems clear to me you don't actually understand what it means. Yes, the forum is censored from time to time, see the rules, they detail under what circumstances this happens. with posts being deleted all the time. How often is "all the time"? And how do you know? This is your first post... or is this a second account, perhaps to circumvent some form of moderation on your first account? Just as this one will. They will call it spamming or fishing or inflammatory or whatever, they deem it to be, because they don't want to read the truth, unless it fits into their very small and ever changing form of the truth. If you believe this, then you really have no idea what really happens in the mod team, if you are who I suspect you are, I will tell you, that whilst I was on the mod team, I argued time and time again for you to be allowed to continue to post and others did too, despite the fact that I personally found a lot of what you posted as truly objectionable, evil even. After spending the last 2 weeks helping to clean up Houston, getting a whole of 2 showers in 2 weeks, sleeping in my dump truck for all but 2 nights, and seeing people with nothing left but their families, This forum makes me sick. Really glad you've been out helping people in difficulty, and hopefully it made a real difference to those in need. However, heart warming as that is, it is irrelevant in context here with the rest of your post. I fought for the United States of America, I killed for the USA, and I sacrificed for all the people of the USA. For the constitution, and for my own beliefs. I've seen the worst of humanity, and I've seen, first hand, the very best of it too. Good. Relevance?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 15:51:05 GMT
This is not a forum with free speech. Indeed, it's not, but then hardly anywhere is, the only place (that I know of) and circumstances that Free Speech is a protected right in is the US and the protection is that the state will not stop you. Nowhere else, and no one (or thing) else has it incumbent to ensure Free Speech. Not a single mod even knows what "freedom of speech" means. Given the first point above, I'm pretty sure you don't know what "freedom of speech" means, I'm clear that you have an opinion on what it should mean, but it seems clear to me you don't actually understand what it means. Yes, the forum is censored from time to time, see the rules, they detail under what circumstances this happens. with posts being deleted all the time. How often is "all the time"? And how do you know? This is your first post... or is this a second account, perhaps to circumvent some form of moderation on your first account? Just as this one will. They will call it spamming or fishing or inflammatory or whatever, they deem it to be, because they don't want to read the truth, unless it fits into their very small and ever changing form of the truth. If you believe this, then you really have no idea what really happens in the mod team, if you are who I suspect you are, I will tell you, that whilst I was on the mod team, I argued time and time again for you to be allowed to continue to post and others did too, despite the fact that I personally found a lot of what you posted as truly objectionable, evil even. After spending the last 2 weeks helping to clean up Houston, getting a whole of 2 showers in 2 weeks, sleeping in my dump truck for all but 2 nights, and seeing people with nothing left but their families, This forum makes me sick. Really glad you've been out helping people in difficulty, and hopefully it made a real difference to those in need. However, heart warming as that is, it is irrelevant in context here with the rest of your post. I fought for the United States of America, I killed for the USA, and I sacrificed for all the people of the USA. For the constitution, and for my own beliefs. I've seen the worst of humanity, and I've seen, first hand, the very best of it too. Good. Relevance? Fantastic!! Well said.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 0:23:49 GMT
Indeed, it's not, but then hardly anywhere is, the only place (that I know of) and circumstances that Free Speech is a protected right in is the US and the protection is that the state will not stop you. Nowhere else, and no one (or thing) else has it incumbent to ensure Free Speech. Given the first point above, I'm pretty sure you don't know what "freedom of speech" means, I'm clear that you have an opinion on what it should mean, but it seems clear to me you don't actually understand what it means. Yes, the forum is censored from time to time, see the rules, they detail under what circumstances this happens. How often is "all the time"? And how do you know? This is your first post... or is this a second account, perhaps to circumvent some form of moderation on your first account? If you believe this, then you really have no idea what really happens in the mod team, if you are who I suspect you are, I will tell you, that whilst I was on the mod team, I argued time and time again for you to be allowed to continue to post and others did too, despite the fact that I personally found a lot of what you posted as truly objectionable, evil even. Really glad you've been out helping people in difficulty, and hopefully it made a real difference to those in need. However, heart warming as that is, it is irrelevant in context here with the rest of your post. Good. Relevance? Fantastic!! Well said. Very much so. I don't think it's said often enough, but the transparency and genuineness displayed by our mods -- both present and past -- on DU has all been very much appreciated. It's incredibly difficult work and we're grateful that you've stepped into the breach for the benefit of all of us. Never mind the flared tempers and perceived missteps, what you have achieved and still are achieving (while still finding the time to have fun) is nothing short of exemplary .
|
|
|
Post by Whovitt on Sept 17, 2017 0:39:19 GMT
Very much so. I don't think it's said often enough, but the transparency and genuineness displayed by our mods -- both present and past -- on DU has all been very much appreciated. It's incredibly difficult work and we're grateful that you've stepped into the breach for the benefit of all of us. Never mind the flared tempers and perceived missteps, what you have achieved and still are achieving (while still finding the time to have fun) is nothing short of exemplary . Seconded! I don't think we give the Mods nearly enough credit for the hard work they put in to making this place what it is You guys all do such a fantastic job, and I don't think I've ever personally said thank you, so: Thank you
|
|