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Post by mark687 on Sept 24, 2019 11:19:06 GMT
Depends on the reason for their absence, I suppose. If they're voluntarily not attending, I expect that would be treated no differently than an MP not showing up to parliament on any regular day because they had a previous event scheduled. If they're being kept out, that may be a different story. They would normally still be on recess this week and next week for the conferences so the Commons wouldn't sit anyway, but a recess doesn't 'stop' the work of MPs in other ways that prorogation does (I think?)
I suppose in theory there could be an attempt to recall them during the Conservative conference next week but if there would be any way to make the situation more divisive and party political than it already is, frankly I can't think of one. So, return a week earlier than intended, on Oct 7th then? Bercow has called them back for Tomorrow from 11:30AM
"No PMQ's but urgent business can be raised"
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Post by number13 on Sept 24, 2019 11:24:03 GMT
Thanks for the updates, I'm struggling to keep up!
The Government said they wanted to prorogue before a new Queen's Speech (which 'normal' progrogation would be required as I understand it.) Can they still have a Queen's Speech now there has been no prorogation - or is everyone just making this up as they go along. Or do they have a 'normal length' prorogation of a few days, then the Queen's Speech? If so, Parliament would be back this week for a day or two, then out (again) for a few days, then back then out then back. With the summer recess and if they did break to allow the Tory conference, that could be: Out, In, Out, In, Out, In, Out, In - perhaps historians will record this as 'The Hokey-Cokey Parliament'
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Post by sherlock on Sept 24, 2019 11:28:16 GMT
Thanks for the updates, I'm struggling to keep up!
The Government said they wanted to prorogue before a new Queen's Speech (which 'normal' progrogation would be required as I understand it.) Can they still have a Queen's Speech now there has been no prorogation - or is everyone just making this up as they go along. Or do they have a 'normal length' prorogation of a few days, then the Queen's Speech? If so, Parliament would be back this week for a day or two, then out (again) for a few days, then back then out then back. With the summer recess, that would be: Out, In, Out, In, Out, In, Out, In - perhaps historians will record this as 'The Hokey-Cokey Parliament' Hypothetically-yes, they could call a prorogation of a few days to still have their Queen’s Speech. The Supreme Court’s ruling seemed focused on the abnormal length of the prorogation, so one of the normal length of a few days would probably be unchallenged. Whether the government will bother with such a move, in light of the heat they are facing over this ruling already, is another matter.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 24, 2019 11:36:48 GMT
Thanks for the updates, I'm struggling to keep up!
The Government said they wanted to prorogue before a new Queen's Speech (which 'normal' progrogation would be required as I understand it.) Can they still have a Queen's Speech now there has been no prorogation - or is everyone just making this up as they go along. Or do they have a 'normal length' prorogation of a few days, then the Queen's Speech? If so, Parliament would be back this week for a day or two, then out (again) for a few days, then back then out then back. With the summer recess, that would be: Out, In, Out, In, Out, In, Out, In - perhaps historians will record this as 'The Hokey-Cokey Parliament' Well as I understand it unless one of the urgent matters is a Vote of No confidence , Boris could still Ask "Cons haven't had our Party conference can I still suspend for a week for that then open with Queen's Speech" as I Posted earlier though, it seems he's acted criminally but achieved maximum advantage.
(Turns out breaks for Conferences are normally asked for and Voted on)
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Post by number13 on Sept 24, 2019 11:39:13 GMT
Thanks for the updates, I'm struggling to keep up!
The Government said they wanted to prorogue before a new Queen's Speech (which 'normal' progrogation would be required as I understand it.) Can they still have a Queen's Speech now there has been no prorogation - or is everyone just making this up as they go along. Or do they have a 'normal length' prorogation of a few days, then the Queen's Speech? If so, Parliament would be back this week for a day or two, then out (again) for a few days, then back then out then back. With the summer recess, that would be: Out, In, Out, In, Out, In, Out, In - perhaps historians will record this as 'The Hokey-Cokey Parliament' Hypothetically-yes, they could call a prorogation of a few days to still have their Queen’s Speech. The Supreme Court’s ruling seemed focused on the abnormal length of the prorogation, so one of the normal length of a few days would probably be unchallenged. Whether the government will bother with such a move, in light of the heat they are facing over this ruling already, is another matter. Thanks. You're right about the heat and it'll only get turned up when the Commons resumes - but I imagine Brexiteers may be smelling 'burning martyr' right about now so I wonder if all this will affect views at all, either way. In the normal run of events it obviously should, but in these extraordinary, bizarre times who knows?
And did I just hear Corbyn call for a General Election? Like the one he voted down twice, very recently? We have to end up there before long, surely, this farce can't go on.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 24, 2019 11:58:51 GMT
Hypothetically-yes, they could call a prorogation of a few days to still have their Queen’s Speech. The Supreme Court’s ruling seemed focused on the abnormal length of the prorogation, so one of the normal length of a few days would probably be unchallenged. Whether the government will bother with such a move, in light of the heat they are facing over this ruling already, is another matter. Thanks. You're right about the heat and it'll only get turned up when the Commons resumes - but I imagine Brexiteers may be smelling 'burning martyr' right about now so I wonder if all this will affect views at all, either way. In the normal run of events it obviously should, but in these extraordinary, bizarre times who knows?
And did I just hear Corbyn call for a General Election? Like the one he voted down twice, very recently? We have to end up there before long, surely, this farce can't go on.
Except there's no way anyone could win it by taking a "neutral" position.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Sept 24, 2019 11:58:57 GMT
So they want BJ to step down? Do we really need even more turmoil on top of this
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 12:08:12 GMT
Just want Timothy Daltons Rassilon to turn up now be icing on the cake.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 12:15:57 GMT
You didn't listen did you Boris Johnson?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 15:11:23 GMT
'Boris Johnson given two weeks to explain dealings with US businesswoman', 'Suspending Parliament was unlawful, court rules' - has a Prime Minister ever been personally held to account in such a way before? I can't remember it. All this in such a short time in office. It can't be long before BJ is recognised as a liability to the Conservatives, surely, and they get rid of him. But is it all of his big plan? Whilst all these investigations are going on into his former and current dodgy activities and attention focused on that, Brexit is getting closer and closer with no sign of a deal, so maybe things are actually going his way?
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Sept 24, 2019 16:51:48 GMT
Can we now send boris back to where he came from... sorry usa
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Sept 24, 2019 16:52:28 GMT
So they want BJ to step down? Do we really need even more turmoil on top of this Yes please
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 21:48:33 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Sept 25, 2019 12:19:50 GMT
Question. My local mp is scum. I want him out. Any thoughts on how I do this? The traditional route would be to stand against him with a manifesto. As an Independent, presuming from your prior post, that he is not a Lib Dem. Or you could join the local paper as a current affairs journalist. That's the way the system works. This could be the K9 spin-off we have been waiting for... No he is the Tory whip with a majority of 79 votes
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Post by sherlock on Sept 25, 2019 19:40:26 GMT
What the f***...Johnson’s completely lost it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 19:56:07 GMT
What the f***...Johnson’s completely lost it. Did he ever have it?
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 25, 2019 21:54:04 GMT
BJ's performance and attitude is utterly disgusting. I hope there is some justice in the world and he gets his comeuppance soon.
Sadly the only thing keeping him in No 10 is Corbyn's refusal to accept another MP as caretaker PM and serve under him/her - one word from Corbyn and BJ would be out within 24 hours, but sadly for all of us that word will not be forthcoming.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Sept 25, 2019 23:06:07 GMT
BJ's performance and attitude is utterly disgusting. I hope there is some justice in the world and he gets his comeuppance soon. Sadly the only thing keeping him in No 10 is Corbyn's refusal to accept another MP as caretaker PM and serve under him/her - one word from Corbyn and BJ would be out within 24 hours, but sadly for all of us that word will not be forthcoming. I know you and I are on opposite sides politically, though unlike the maniacs elsewhere we're cordial! I felt Corbyn was a needed breath of fresh air to pull Labour back from being just Red Tory, and for the sake of the UK that was a good thing, however NOT NOW. Now is not the time for a Corbyn. Now is the time for a Starmer.
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Post by doctorkernow on Sept 26, 2019 10:34:26 GMT
Hello again.
I am constantly impressed by the level of decorum and the respect shown to those with opposing views. Well done,it is definitely not the case elsewhere.
Mr Johnson is bringing the office of Prime Minister into disrepute. The Supreme Court did not do anymore than provide a necessary check on a overmighty executive.
The court reinforced the basis of our unwritten constitution namely that the elected legislature is sovereign. Any attempt to weaken that sovereignty must be scrutinised by a non-political judiciary using their knowledge of legal precedent.
I am sure an election cannot be too far away. Where the result will either be a victory for the Tories plus the Brexit Party or Labour Party plus the SNP in a confidence and supply arrangement, if they fall short. Given the Labour Party's tacit support for a second Scottish Independence referendum this arrangement is possible.
The unknown is the Liberal Democrat effect as they are strongly in favour of remain. Will they take votes of remain supporting Labour or Tory voters.
The other unknown is whether manifesto commitments in health, education, taxation and benefits will be considered by voters making their choice.
The election when it comes will be most unpredictable. The decision of the electorate will shape the future direction, prosperity and place in the wider world for the next decade and beyond.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 10:49:44 GMT
What the f***...Johnson’s completely lost it. Did he ever have it? His Jo Cox comments crossed a line, even in these times. There are right wingers and news outlets normally favourable to him that are comdemning the comment. On Newsnight the only defence from the Govt Minister when pressed on the Cox remark was "Well, being the Prime Minister is a very stressful job..." which shows even his party can't stand behind him on what he said.
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