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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 16:53:11 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Nov 1, 2020 12:42:12 GMT
So you all remember that admendment to the Agriculture Bill the government voted down a few weeks back? Yeah, they've just u-turned on that. This is good news, but it would be nice if once in a while the government could just accept a policy first time round and not u-turn on it a few weeks later. Save a lot of effort.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 1, 2020 13:34:26 GMT
So you all remember that admendment to the Agriculture Bill the government voted down a few weeks back? Yeah, they've just u-turned on that. This is good news, but it would be nice if once in a while the government could just accept a policy first time round and not u-turn on it a few weeks later. Save a lot of effort. Another U-Turn! But its all about the soya [sic] sauce now!
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Post by number13 on Nov 1, 2020 13:48:04 GMT
So you all remember that admendment to the Agriculture Bill the government voted down a few weeks back? Yeah, they've just u-turned on that. This is good news, but it would be nice if once in a while the government could just accept a policy first time round and not u-turn on it a few weeks later. Save a lot of effort. Is that the same thing? I though the amendment was a fairly vague one about 'enforcing standards', as if we didn't already have many specific laws on food & farming standards.
This looks more substantive and it obviously seems a good idea to get 'independent expert advice' on all aspects of any trade deal (naively, I would have thought that was normal practice but hey ho!)
But with or without this, wouldn't a vote of some form always be needed to reduce, or for that matter strengthen, any of the existing legislation on standards? Still, if it reassures people and underlines commitment to food & farming standards to our future trade deal partners, it's worth doing and might be a timesaver. ('You want to us to accept crate-raised veal and force-fed geese? Disgusting practices and anyway it can't be done, we'd never get it past the Commons so there's no point demanding it.)
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 19, 2020 16:28:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 22:36:27 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 24, 2020 19:17:32 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 27, 2020 9:10:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 14:12:50 GMT
Clean break please.
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Post by number13 on Dec 4, 2020 11:48:58 GMT
"UK government sources had claimed on Thursday evening that the Brexit negotiations had taken a sudden step backwards after furious French lobbying pushed the EU to make late demands."
Quel surprise. Vive la France!
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 4, 2020 22:24:52 GMT
Looks like Boris and Ursula are to take over the talks. The final act of the drama as the 2 sides go through the motions before the inevitable deal?
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Post by number13 on Dec 4, 2020 23:17:32 GMT
Looks like Boris and Ursula are to take over the talks. The final act of the drama as the 2 sides go through the motions before the inevitable deal? Maybe it is just theatre, it wouldn't be unusual would it! But on this page
"The Irish Prime Minister Micheál Martin said it was important for the 27 EU member states to give negotiators "the space to conclude these talks"."
Now, rightly or wrongly - and given what our government said about France - I read that as one particular member state suddenly diverging from the position agreed among the 27, without asking the other 26. Some of whom are rightly worried about not getting a deal. Which (again, my assumption) might imply that without such divergence, the negotiators thought there was a deal to be had.
And of course yes the French disconnection (if it exists) could also just be theatre for domestic purposes. But I remember how the Canada deal got hung up for a while at the very last minute over (I think this was it) Belgian pig farms. In fact I was expecting from the very start that one country or other would suddenly play 'the national card' right at the very end of the negotiations, it's almost traditional.
And of the two names I had in the hat, France was one, for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 12:41:59 GMT
Macron needs to be taught a lesson.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 5, 2020 12:54:04 GMT
On 23 June 2016 the country went to the polls to vote on the referendum with the result being a narrow win by those who want to leave the EU. Our government has had over 4 years to negotiate & we are still in this mess, with deadlines missed, right up to the last minute. Good luck everyone.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 5, 2020 13:48:08 GMT
Macron needs to be taught a lesson. Sure some people on the EU think the exact same about Johnson. Macron has re-election to consider, so is playing tough. Competing interests is just how international relations rolls. Brexit negotiations were always going to be subject to the whims of each European government. The withdrawal agreement negotiations last year depended greatly on the Irish view on them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 14:26:27 GMT
Macron needs to be taught a lesson. Sure some people on the EU think the exact same about Johnson. Oh I'm sure, but I'm not on that side of the fence so I couldn't really care less what the EU think about Johnson.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 7, 2020 0:02:26 GMT
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 7, 2020 9:25:11 GMT
Good line from RTE's Europe correspondent Tony Connelly:
"Brexit has always thrived on slogans, but struggled on detail"
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 7, 2020 17:07:27 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 7, 2020 17:42:41 GMT
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